Psychotherapy : Have you addressed your Trauma? Dr Paul Conti in an interview about Trauma

So, in my frustration of feeling like I wasn’t getting anywhere, the question about Trauma arose within me, very strongly in 2020. I was actually listening to a podcast from Lewis Howes with Jordan Peterson when I found Dr Paul Conti.

The podcast is entitled: Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic & How To Heal from It w/Dr. Paul Conti EP1202

Here is the direct podcast if you just want to listen to Dr Conti: Simplecast -- Let your voice be heard

The page is here: Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic & How To Heal From It with Dr. Paul Conti

Conti’s website: https://www.drpaulconti.com

His book: Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic: How Trauma Works and How We Can Heal From It: Conti MD, Paul, Gaga, Lady: 9781683647355: Amazon.com: Books

So, from 7:52 of the podcast, it got interesting because he talks about ‘an underlying trauma’, then he talks about lifting the hood to see what is underneath instead of polishing the hood. This refers to (and I include myself here) when patients and therapists keep skipping over the ‘really hard stuff’.

I bought Conti’s book and found it easy reading and alarming. I think it is in his book or I’m thinking of my next book by Bessel van der Kolk, that it is mentioned that so many people think: we have talked about the abuse and therefore it is dealt with. Both these men disagree with that idea.

Sure, we can (maybe) over focus on ‘trauma’! But what if YOU don’t realise that it is a past trauma that is making you feel like you are walking on eggshells or drowning in quicksand, slowly. Like a slow torture. But, maybe it is a trauma that is rattling us and we look at everything else but the actual trauma! I had done lots of therapy from my twenties but the time I was molested as a six year old was never addressed and when it was, the therapist handled me in such a way that I didn't open up about it. Maybe a trauma is making You act differently in other areas of your life and you haven't matched the two, together. I think it is worthwhile for anyone to read this book and maybe see how something from the past is now recognised more readily than many years ago. I think of men that have been in a war. Conti addresses this situation and others.

Here is the information from this web site, already mentioned above, for you to read:Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic & How To Heal From It with Dr. Paul Conti

HAVE YOU ADDRESSED YOUR TRAUMA?​

Are you still suffering from trauma?

You’ve probably experienced a traumatic event at some point in your life. While it’s natural to feel scared or overwhelmed in the aftermath of an upsetting incident, for some people, these feelings don’t go away easily. In fact, they may actually get worse over time, leading to debilitating anxiety, depression, and even Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). If you’re still dealing with the effects of past trauma, there is hope.

Friends welcome back. Today’s guest is psychiatrist Dr. Paul Conti. I’m so excited to have him on the show, and in this episode, we discuss why it is so hard for us to talk about our shame, the three biggest lies that we tell ourselves, how to heal from trauma without reliving it, and so much more. Our conversation was truly inspiring, so be ready with your notes because the information he shared can help us improve the quality of our thoughts, emotions, and lives.

Who Is Dr. Paul Conti?​

Dr. Paul Conti is a graduate of Stanford University School of Medicine. He was appointed Chief Resident, and he completed his psychiatry training at Stanford and at Harvard University. He also served as a medical faculty at Harvard before founding his own clinic.

As a psychiatrist, Dr. Paul Conti is adept at helping others untangle complex problems, incorporating a holistic view of each patient or client into his work by understanding the extent of impact trauma can affect on communities or systems where the individual serves, works, or resides. He also offers business, legal and personal consulting services on top of his clinical practice, and he’s written a new book called Trauma: The Invisible Epidemic: How Trauma Works and How We Can Heal From It.

I was so inspired by this work because I feel like so many of us have dealt with different types of traumas in our life — from our childhood to adolescence and to our adult lives. Sometimes we’re not even aware of the types of trauma we’re facing.

Why Is It So Hard for Us to Talk About Our Shame?​

There are a lot of things that people are ashamed to talk about. Trauma is definitely one of them. People feel like they have to bottle everything up and deal with it on their own, but that’s not always the best way to go about it. In fact, it can often make things worse.

“More often than not, there’s an undercurrent of trauma that, unless that’s thought about and addressed, we’re kind of like polishing the hood, when we need to get under the hood and really get into the engine. There’s a mental health system that loves polishing the hood. … We kind of want to spruce things up and make them look a certain way and not look at what’s really going on underneath the surface. … [There’s a] sort of reflexive creation of shame when a person suffers trauma — the sort of immediacy of that sense of shame and the response to it — to keep everything inside.” – Paul Conti

Oftentimes people who are suffering from trauma don’t look like they have a problem at all. This is because many people try to hide their problems and deal with them on their own. Trauma can be very isolating and embarrassing, so it’s no wonder that so many people try to keep it hidden.

“Shame is synonymous with the message of, ‘You must keep this secret.’ And if shame is evoked, … then the reflexive shame is in and of itself a message of secrecy. And that’s why … people are carrying burdens around with them. And you can look from the outside and tell ‘This person has achieved this and this person has achieved that,’ and you know, what we see from the outside is so often not at all reflective of what’s going on inside.” – Paul Conti

When people think of those who have suffered from a traumatic experience, they often imagine someone who is visibly upset and struggling. However, many people who suffer from trauma don’t look like they’re having a problem at all. Trauma can impact individuals in many different ways, and not everyone experiences it in the same way. This means that you can’t always tell if someone has been affected by trauma just by looking at them. In fact, many people with traumatic histories are able to function relatively normally in their everyday lives. It’s important to remember that just because someone doesn’t seem like they’re struggling doesn’t mean they aren’t dealing with trauma.

“What’s going on in you is not too complicated to be solved.” - Dr. Paul Conti​

The 3 Biggest Lies That We Tell Ourselves?​

Do you ever feel like you’re stuck in a rut? That no matter what you do, you can’t seem to get ahead? It’s easy to feel down about yourself when things don’t seem to be going your way. But sometimes, the biggest obstacle in our lives is ourselves. We tend to tell ourselves lies that hold us back from achieving our goals.

“‘I’m not lovable. I’m not good enough, and … I don’t deserve it.’ … To say one is not lovable — it’s such a blanket statement of persecution. If you think about what it would be like saying that outwardly to someone, … it’s awful. That’s why the persecutor inside of us can say things to us that people outside of us generally don’t. We wouldn’t tolerate other people — how dare one say that — but it’s going on inside of our minds.” – Dr. Paul Conti

We all tell ourselves little lies from time to time. Maybe we pretend that we’re not hurting after a break-up or that we’re totally fine spending another weekend alone. But sometimes, our lies can be pretty damaging. We might tell ourselves things like “I’m not lovable,” or “I’m not good enough.” Sometimes, we often think that we don’t deserve happiness, love, or success, and these thoughts are running through our heads on a regular basis as a result of some past traumatic events in our lives.

“The consequences of trauma change our memories. Our memories only have meaning through the emotion that’s attached to them. … So if you change memories and now there’s a negative spin on it, [you can turn a happy memory into a trauma.]” – Dr. Paul Conti

It may sound crazy, but it is so true. Memories have meaning through the emotions we’ve attached to them. If you have a good memory in the past of a happy and wonderful event with someone and then you go through a trauma, somehow you can connect that traumatic event to your positive experience and completely shift your perception of that event to being a negative experience.

Trauma changes the way we remember things. It’s not just the scary event itself that impacts our memory, but also how we cope and deal with the aftermath. This can have a ripple effect on every area of our lives. Understanding the consequences of trauma can help us work through them and move on to the healing process.

How to Heal From Trauma​

We’ve all been through tough times, but for some people, the experience of trauma can be life-changing. Recovery from trauma is possible, but it takes time and patience and often requires us to go through a painful process.

“I think you have to go through the pain again. There are exceptions where someone is sort of blessed with a lot of egos, strength, and a lot of resilience and can look and say, ‘Look, I know this, this, and this. This is true about me, and this is something I don’t want to be there for me.’ … Usually, we have to look at the pain of it, but that doesn’t mean reliving every detail.” – Dr. Paul Conti

It’s no secret that traumatic experiences can leave deep, lasting scars. We all deal with trauma in different ways. Some people bury their pain and try to move on as quickly as possible. Others constantly revisit the event, trying to make sense of what happened. Then there are those who find themselves stuck in between, unable to let go of the past while also failing to move forward. But there is a way out, and while it may require that you face the pain again, you may not have to relive every detail of the experience.

“Sometimes it’s necessary when the sense of shame is so lodged in the details. Sometimes you do have to go through all of it. But more often than not, … the idea of not having to go through every detail also emphasizes the shared humanity of it. … How many of us are traumatized? There’s a commonality to that by someone telling me about what their trauma is and how that makes them feel. … We can have a shared understanding of it.” – Dr. Paul Conti

Trauma is a reality for many people. It can be anything from experiencing or witnessing violence to having a natural disaster affect your life. For some people, trauma can feel like it’s constantly with them, making it hard to move on with their lives. Fortunately, there are ways to heal from trauma without reliving the pain. One of those ways is through shared humanity.

Shared humanity means reaching out and connecting with others who have experienced similar traumas. When we share our stories and experiences with others, it helps us to see that we’re not alone in this. It also allows us to build relationships based on understanding and compassion rather than fear or judgment. Connecting with others who understand what you’re going through can be incredibly healing.

Why You Should Listen to This Dr. Paul Conti Podcast Episode Right Now…​

Guys, this interview has so many words of wisdom from Dr. Paul Conti. Listen to the full episode for more, and don’t forget to share the episode with someone who needs to hear it. You could change the life of someone secretly struggling with trauma today.

Check out his website to know more about his books and the Pacific Premier Group, where he assembled a team of courageous and compassionate providers working in collaboration to untangle the complexities of trauma and discover the inner leader in you.

To conclude our discussion, I asked Dr. Paul Conti for his definition of greatness, and his answer was perfectly concise.

“Perseverance and humility.” – Dr. Paul Conti

Greatness is something that is earned through hard work and perseverance combined with a dose of humility. Nobody achieves greatness without putting in the effort, and nobody becomes great at the expense of others. True greatness comes from within and is expressed through kindness, compassion, and self-awareness. Those who achieve greatness are never too busy or too arrogant to help others reach their potential. So don’t give up on your dreams — greatness is within reach if you’re willing to work for it!

If no one’s told you lately, I want to remind you that you are loved, you are worthy, and you matter. Now it’s time to go out there and do something great.

To Greatness,

SOME QUESTIONS I ASK:​

  • Why is it so hard for us to talk about our shame?
  • How many people in the world suffer from trauma?
  • Where does addiction come from?
  • What are the 3 biggest lies that we tell ourselves?
  • What are the most common traumas that you see in your line of work?
  • Is there any way to heal your trauma without having to relive it all?

IN THIS EPISODE, YOU WILL LEARN:​

  • How trauma is the root of so many problems, yet it’s not easy for us to discuss.
  • How to better understand and heal from trauma.
  • The first steps to take with yourself before seeing a therapist.
  • Why your inner dialogue heavily affects your mental health.
  • Plus much more…
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Comments

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Very interesting!

Another physician, Canadian Dr. Gabor Maté explains how trauma plays a severe role in addictions, for example. He developed a method to cure addictions.

I will check Dr. Conti's work. Found it very interesting.

Thanks for sharing!
 
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Thank you for your response.

Conti's book is 'simple' and has some technical stuff in it, but, I found it a good entry into Trauma for me!

I will take a look at Maté but I have to admit I'm hooked on Bessel van der Kolk and what he says about Trauma. Post to happen I think :)

What I've liked about the two books I've read was their simplicity and also 'relatable stories'. Conti links/connects men going to war then they come home and try to live a normal life but in fact things 'can' trigger them; then they react, then 'some might' become abusive because of this connection or how it unsettles them etc., etc., then they might become 'domestic abusers' and no one takes into account that these poor men were 'fighting for our peace' and now suffer unmeasurably!

I cannot remember, but I'm sure Conti talks about women and rape but men can also be raped and this is all connected then connected to 'trauma' that people feel later on. For me, as I type now, it isn't that Trauma is the disease but the after affects that no one wants to acknowledge fully.

Conti worked in a psychiatric hospital and tells of the story where a man is so affected/traumatised that he can hardly function to go to his appointments. He sits in the waiting room and the 'authorities' are pleased he does this while previous doctors dished out medicines to him. Conti got him to the point of at least moving from the waiting room into Conti's consulting room and then was able to change some things. This story touched me because it show up (Conti acknowledges this) the flaws in the health system - in this case, in the USA.

It was quite an eye opener to read I must say, but light enough to understand and connect the dots.
 
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Very interesting!

Another physician, Canadian Dr. Gabor Maté explains how trauma plays a severe role in addictions, for example. He developed a method to cure addictions.

I will check Dr. Conti's work. Found it very interesting.

Thanks for sharing!
Here is a TEDx talk with Gabor Maté
I've watched 4:31 minutes and I like his honesty very much. This is what touched me with Conti & Bessel van der Kolk - their own honesty about themselves and about their work. Thanks for letting me/us know about him :)
 
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Very nice what you're finding!

I now have a question for my psychiatrist about trauma...I will let you know!

I had had different traumas in different stages of my life. As Dr. Conti says, why to relive them?

I need to learn how to deal with them!
 
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Here is a TEDx talk with Gabor Maté
I've watched 4:31 minutes and I like his honesty very much. This is what touched me with Conti & Bessel van der Kolk - their own honesty about themselves and about their work. Thanks for letting me/us know about him :)
Sure! He talks about him, very opened!
Good you found him interesting!
 
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I find it interesting.. why? because I think 'I have no addictions'... but he talks about buying Classical CD's... and this is what has changed a little in some areas and big ?? in others... It could be and I think this is addressed in the book.. I'm addicted to 'therapy' ??? who knows.. but I loved the way he says something like : don't look at the addiction as bad but what is good about it... THIS!! this is great.. rather than just blaming " you are addicted" what is the addiction to the addiction about... so damned interesting?

Lucky2022 did you happen to read some of the comments to the TED talk? I love to read the comments sometimes, more than the article :) :) :) I'm addicted..

 
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I think one thing about Trauma to remember is, that - maybe and my thinking/opinion - that it happens organically. The only example I can think of right now is, if you have had this experience or know of someone that has - you are not quite sure if the guys/girls/colleague's are 'making fun of you' behind your back. You might be unsure because their behaviour is not quite knowable.. but if one is sensitive, then this 'can' get to you. Gets under your skin and you might not fully realise how it gets to you but it does and then you might find your self with a 'short fuse'... One tries to act normal but underneath it 'works away at you' undermining... then if it continues to happen.. well.. one might explode and then others think 'what is wrong with Johnny lately!'
Then if you go to therapy and discuss everything else and not bring up these details or the therapist doesn't enquire... then it could, I think and some of my own experience, go on for years... until there is an explosion of emotions or finally it comes to the surface and is, hopefully, dealt with.....

Just some of my thoughts... as I learn(ed) about Trauma....
 
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I find it interesting.. why? because I think 'I have no addictions'... but he talks about buying Classical CD's... and this is what has changed a little in some areas and big ?? in others... It could be and I think this is addressed in the book.. I'm addicted to 'therapy' ??? who knows.. but I loved the way he says something like : don't look at the addiction as bad but what is good about it... THIS!! this is great.. rather than just blaming " you are addicted" what is the addiction to the addiction about... so damned interesting?

Lucky2022 did you happen to read some of the comments to the TED talk? I love to read the comments sometimes, more than the article :) :) :) I'm addicted..

I haven't seen this till now. I will check the Ted talk.
 
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I think one thing about Trauma to remember is, that - maybe and my thinking/opinion - that it happens organically. The only example I can think of right now is, if you have had this experience or know of someone that has - you are not quite sure if the guys/girls/colleague's are 'making fun of you' behind your back. You might be unsure because their behaviour is not quite knowable.. but if one is sensitive, then this 'can' get to you. Gets under your skin and you might not fully realise how it gets to you but it does and then you might find your self with a 'short fuse'... One tries to act normal but underneath it 'works away at you' undermining... then if it continues to happen.. well.. one might explode and then others think 'what is wrong with Johnny lately!'
Then if you go to therapy and discuss everything else and not bring up these details or the therapist doesn't enquire... then it could, I think and some of my own experience, go on for years... until there is an explosion of emotions or finally it comes to the surface and is, hopefully, dealt with.....

Just some of my thoughts... as I learn(ed) about Trauma....
I see your point. There are some areas of our life on which we are more sensitive and others affect us more than to other people. It's real. And as you said a situation of any kind might become a trauma.
 
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I see your point. There are some areas of our life on which we are more sensitive and others affect us more than to other people. It's real. And as you said a situation of any kind might become a trauma.
yes... I think it was Conti that said something like or maybe Bessel.. I will try and put his book up next... but ... someone talks about their trauma lets say.. but it is not always finished.. it might be !! but people are different... and I think I understand this idea from being molested...I was alright.. not harmed.. but mentally... it has fucked me around for different reasons....
so just because someone 'mentions/talks' about something... does not mean they have dealt with it.. Bessel van der Kolk - his book addresses this....
 

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