Bathmate vs other pump and pumped gains

[siempie]

Hi guys,

I've had some difficulty finding a definitive answer to the following question:

Is it possible to get bigger in a normal pump than in a bathmate?

The reason I ask this is because I have been using a bathmate for some months now. I noticed that after about 15 minutes of what I call "perfect" pumping. I am about as big as I will get unless I go into overpump mode.

Let me explain perfect pumping:
I enter the bathmate erect and push lightly on the bathmate untill no more water shoots out. After this, I wait a minute or 2, do some kegels to keep the blood pumping in as my penis expands (its still a mystery to me if blood filled tissue is expanding or if its just fluids filling me skin tissue). Then I push lightly again. And so forth.

I never really push the bathmate with force. If I do it this way, together with the kegels. I will get from about 5" girth to 5,6-5,7" girth with no doughnut effect whatsoever.

I do believe not all the gains is from having more blood in my penis as it does feel somewhat bloated, however my penis looks very natural, it's awesome.

If I don't do the kegels, some doughnut effect may occur.

Then there is overpumping mode. In this one I will forcefully push the bathmate as hard as I can to get as much water out as possible, again every 1-2 minutes. Usually just a little more water can be forced out untill it is maxed than when I go perfect mode. But the difference is huge. I get to 6" or a little higher in girth. Doughnut effect is very big and I feel very bloated and my penis will not look natural at all. I also believe this is where you can get seriously injured if you're not carefull.

I usually do about 15-20 minutes of perfect mode. Sometimes when im frustrated with my size I tend to go overpump mode, but never more then 30 min.

So now that I have established some context, back to my question.

Is it possible to get bigger in a normal pump than in a bathmate?

As far as I know, you can keep pumping air out of a normal pump as much as you'd like. Will this also increase the penis as much as you'd like? And does it still look normal when you go out of the pump? If so, how do you know what kind of pressure is perfect(as with the bathmate, no more water gets pushed out when pushing lightly). And which pump would actually be more effective?

Could I go more then 6" girth even if it means it will not look natural, and quite possibly be dangerous?

Would love to hear from someone who might have experience with both pumps or from someone who has similar experiences with the bathmate.

Looking forward to an open discussion

cheers

 

[139189]

Sounds like you are hitting high pressure in the bath mate. This can be a serious issue with a regular pump but pain can usually be a decent indicator of over pumping

 

[B_limbo]

I know exactly what you are talking about with the perfect pump and the over pump, I have had the same effect. I aim for the perfect pump but sometimes I like to over pump it with more pumps and higher pressure, this tends to cause a slight pain, as if I can feel it expanding and stretching. I would say it has increased my girth slightly

I have read the best technique to use is to use the bathmate for the allotted time of fifteen to twenty minutes and then jelq afterwards.

 

[siempie]

I know exactly what you are talking about with the perfect pump and the over pump, I have had the same effect. I aim for the perfect pump but sometimes I like to over pump it with more pumps and higher pressure, this tends to cause a slight pain, as if I can feel it expanding and stretching. I would say it has increased my girth slightly

I have read the best technique to use is to use the bathmate for the allotted time of fifteen to twenty minutes and then jelq afterwards.

Yes, I try to jelq before and afterwards if I can. Don't always have the time for that though, and I just pump.

What would you say is the best way to increase your girth, perfect mode or overpump mode? Maybe perfect mode for good 15 min and then overpump for just a few minutes, what do you think?

 

[greg71]

It sounds like you feel a threshold has been hit, and it's getting difficult to grow any larger. There are a few things at play here, one being you could be having trouble getting even larger because your penis is still recovering from previous pump sessions. Everytime you pump and jelq, you are creating tiny tears that allow for growth. If your current tears have not healed completely, you will always hit a brick wall. If you believe that might be the case, try taking one or two days off pumping so your penis can recover.

Pumping with air based pumps is harsh on your skin. Air is dry, and you are forcing all the blood in your penis to the surface of your skin. Imagine laying in the sun with no moisture in your skin, while at the same time having your blood pressure high. Your skin would blister and peel no doubt. Thats one of the MAJOR benefits of pumping with a Hydro Pump like the bathmate.

Using a traditional air pump is fine for some people, and yes you are right that a standard hand grip air pump would allow you greater suction. But that is not necessarily a good thing. You can cause serious damage by pumping to hard, sometimes permanent. Sometimes wether or not you grow is more based on consistency, similar to when a new guy hits the gym and lifts those 35lb dumbbells 5 times. He can swing them up, but he would get much better results from lifting 25lb weights 50 times.

I have used the Bathmate, Penomet, and some no brand air pumps. Air pumping poses more risks but its still effective. Using vitamin e on your dick before pumping helps a lot with skin discoloration prevention. But even with an air pump you cannot over pump. Fluid retention can be painful too depending on where it builds up. My advice, if you want to hear it, is to focus on creating more variance in your routines.

Rather than pumping for 15 minutes straight, change it up. Jelq for 5 minutes, then pump, then v-stretch for 5 minutes, then pump, then Jelq and hold for 5 minutes. Etc... Growing takes a combination of blood pressure on the inner walls of the penis, along with great oxygen levels in the blood, recovery time, and changing up your routine.

 

[horseymann]

The bathmate operates off of a.diaphram. Air pumps work off off a different source eg. Electric, Hand pump lever with gauge, or foot operated. My old bathmate leaked alot from splashing around the tub but the air vac pump wont.

 

[siempie]

Thanks guys. I will try to mix up the order in my routines and stick with the bathmate.

Last question: would "perfect" pumping be the way to go for maximum growth?
Or does overpumping, maybe even just once in a while, cause MORE expansion and growth? Even if it comes with doughnut effect and risks.

Thanks for sharing

 

[naked_butler]

Overpumping in my opinion would be better for growth. It would be like going to failure in weight training session, pushing past previous achievements.
Hard to really overpump in bathmate. Air pumps have no limit so dodgier know when is enough

 

[horseymann]

Yup. Over pumping is what bloats your penis. You want to stretch your skin and form new skin cells to make room for cock stuffing.

 

[siempie]

Ok. I'm gonna need some guidelines with the overpumping. Surely at some point I'm gonna do damage or at least taking large risks.

What would be a good way to safely, if at all, overpump?

For instance, pumping with the bathmate for 2 hours straight would surely be bad, I guess. But pumping for 15 does not cause overpumping in my case.

Suggestions? thx

 

[horseymann]

You shouldn't overpump at all. If your worried about bloating and fluid retention then pump wearing a condom. At least behind the glans, x wraps work good also.

 

[siempie]

Thank you for your answer but it is confusing. You also said that overpumping is the way to go if you want to grow. However, now you're saying "don't overpump".

My conclusion now is: Don't try to grow your penis.

Surely that's not what you mean, right?

 

[horseymann]

It's finding that sweet spot that your comfortable with. It's hard to explain sometimes. Overpumping for others is dangerous but for me it's charting my limits. I would rather give you no advice than bad advice.

 

[siempie]

I appreciate that.

But, could you tell me what kind of dangers there are? Did you experience some of them? Could the damage be permanent? I do want to grow, so just doing my perfect pumping is, considering your answers, not going to be helpfull. thanks

 

[139189]

Well, the risk involved is permanently damaging your penis and not being able to have a normal erection ever again.

Still want to overpump? Good luck

 

[dirkjesje]

The sweet spot where horseymann was talking about is the small line between pleasure and pain.
And that line moves slowly as you're more experienced.
At the start 4Hg maybe already too much, while after a month of almost daily practice 5Hg too less.
It's like horsey said - listen to your body.
For me it's where it isn't just comfortable anymore by just a bit. And as the air leaks I m only a few minutes on that line, I m fast back in the comfort zone.
But this zone moves. For me it's slowly going to 6.5Hg for 30minutes - and I only repump when in drops below 5Hg, but that happens maybe 1 time in 30minutes.
While it was an half year ago - slowly to 5Hg for 20minutes - repump below 3.5Hg.

Good luck.

 

[naked_butler]

I find overpumping in the strictess sense is impossible in the bathmate as you cant just keep pumping. You will hit a limit(unlike air pump) at full pump it will stretch ya out. The key is duration. I personally say 10 mins on 10 mins off then 10 mins back on again. Leaving it on full pump for too long is what causes all that fluid to get drawn into those areas under the head.

 

[siempie]

I understand what you mean butler. I overpumped for 30 minutes today. Had some big swelling under the glans but it evened out quickly. Had an awesome flaccid cock all day.

Could I stretch it more you think? Maybe 45 min? Or is it already very risky; at what point in overpumping so you really risk impotency? While overpumping I'm doing alot of kegels. I feel this helps alot with the evening out than when you just overpump.

 

[naked_butler]

I think longer time is counter productive. If u really wanna then do multiple shorter sessions

 

[naked_butler]

Theres a diff between expanded tissue and excessive fluid retention.
Just do in for 10-20 mins morning and evening. Def not a 45 min session