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Do you know what the drama is? Feels like a lot of Andy's old crew have broken off in recent years.
I think in terms of Harry and Liam they just wanted to start fucking guys as it made them more money whereas Andy (while I'm not knocking him) just sticks to the same set ups over and over eg mutual wanking and the odd blowjob.

Liam is defo bi and wanted to explore that through his work. You can tell he loves pounding guys. I think Harry gets a kick out of it too so they have more freedom not being under Andy's wing.
 
Why did he fall out with Andy Lee?
Nobody can say for certain; Andy said he'd never shoot with Big Liam again.

The thing to remember about Andy Lee is he's been doing jerk off porn for a long time - Chris Geary, English Lads, CMNM, Triga etc. Big Liam was something of his protégé - I think Andy first brought Liam along to a shoot ~15 years ago, and it seems they were best friends off camera (and allegedly even did some escorting together). In his lulls, Andy would do circlejerk meetups (pay to attend) in hotels in London. Andy does seem to have a thing with "horsing around" with other blokes but since none of them did it as a career he'd often end up with sketchy people.

Andy started working with Triga films again in 2020, and they started selling their films on OnlyFans. Quite rapidly he realised (due to the pandemic) it'd be more lucrative to sell his own content on OnlyFans directly instead of working for a studio, and it seems like he bunged some of his friends some cash so he could have a "stable", essentially replicating the studio structure (he literally has a studio with sets now and runs a gay4pay "porn university" to get more talent). He was cool with some of the guys like Liam setting up their own little side earner.

Then Liam got really hot and also started pushing his boundaries to getting sucked off or even getting fingered on his side channel. Social media comments also started skewing towards Liam over Andy. So if we're going to speculate, it might have been Liam wanting to get more of the profits from videos he did for Andy's channel, maybe it then got heated and Liam said some insulting things about Andy, and maybe he was also trying to push to start actually fucking guys (which he started doing not too long after the split). We'll never really know, but it seems quite possible - Andy likes seeing himself as top dog and generally keeping it to "horseplay", whereas Liam fucks blokes and has pursued more aggressive monetisation models.
 
Thing is, Liam enjoys fucking guys too. He really gets into it. There's no feeling that its gay for pay with him. He clearly prefers fucking twinks tho I've noticed so maybe the age gap thing turns him on more.

Andy could have embraced this the same way and made a million but he choose not to.
 
Nobody can say for certain; Andy said he'd never shoot with Big Liam again.

The thing to remember about Andy Lee is he's been doing jerk off porn for a long time - Chris Geary, English Lads, CMNM, Triga etc. Big Liam was something of his protégé - I think Andy first brought Liam along to a shoot ~15 years ago, and it seems they were best friends off camera (and allegedly even did some escorting together). In his lulls, Andy would do circlejerk meetups (pay to attend) in hotels in London. Andy does seem to have a thing with "horsing around" with other blokes but since none of them did it as a career he'd often end up with sketchy people.

Andy started working with Triga films again in 2020, and they started selling their films on OnlyFans. Quite rapidly he realised (due to the pandemic) it'd be more lucrative to sell his own content on OnlyFans directly instead of working for a studio, and it seems like he bunged some of his friends some cash so he could have a "stable", essentially replicating the studio structure (he literally has a studio with sets now and runs a gay4pay "porn university" to get more talent). He was cool with some of the guys like Liam setting up their own little side earner.

Then Liam got really hot and also started pushing his boundaries to getting sucked off or even getting fingered on his side channel. Social media comments also started skewing towards Liam over Andy. So if we're going to speculate, it might have been Liam wanting to get more of the profits from videos he did for Andy's channel, maybe it then got heated and Liam said some insulting things about Andy, and maybe he was also trying to push to start actually fucking guys (which he started doing not too long after the split). We'll never really know, but it seems quite possible - Andy likes seeing himself as top dog and generally keeping it to "horseplay", whereas Liam fucks blokes and has pursued more aggressive monetisation models.

Well said, thanks for the elaboration. Also, it’s understandable as mentioned, some of the guys do more and perhaps even like it. So why stick with a guy who probably takes most of the profits and does the least. It nice to be known after some collabs with Andy Lee but the other guys make way more profit when you’re not just sitting in a boring circle getting sucked off.
 
So the tea I've heard actually is that Liam wanted to fuck Dean Young on one of Andy's vids but Andy wasn't up for it. Liam accused Andy of being jealous that Liam was becoming more popular and willing to cross over into full anal fucking with guys (which would make Liam even more popular) whereas Andy would just stick to the usual set up.

Now they don't speak. Can't say how I found this out but it comes from one of Andy's ''models''.

So it does look like Andy started to see Liam as a threat.
 
So the tea I've heard actually is that Liam wanted to fuck Dean Young on one of Andy's vids but Andy wasn't up for it. Liam accused Andy of being jealous that Liam was becoming more popular and willing to cross over into full anal fucking with guys (which would make Liam even more popular) whereas Andy would just stick to the usual set up.

Now they don't speak. Can't say how I found this out but it comes from one of Andy's ''models''.

So it does look like Andy started to see Liam as a threat.
So sad anyway... I remember Liam debuting very young on Triga with Andy, then both on thefullenglish, then for years together on OF. Also Andy's brothers don't speak to him anymore while almost all of Andy's brothers helped him launch his OF in 2020 jerking off together and cumming for and with him on video, but when Andy got really big somebody outed him viciously to his relatives so his brothers cut him off
 
So sad anyway... I remember Liam debuting very young on Triga with Andy, then both on thefullenglish, then for years together on OF. Also Andy's brothers don't speak to him anymore while almost all of Andy's brothers helped him launch his OF in 2020 jerking off together and cumming for and with him on video, but when Andy got really big somebody outed him viciously to his relatives so his brothers cut him off
It is sad. What's so odd though is that Andy actually is involved in the later video where hardtom fucks the living daylights out of Dean Young. It now makes me wonder if Andy did that video as a fuck you to Liam
 
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