well, I'm a good 8 1/2 {I know where to hold the ruler!} and he's got at least an inch or more on me. He is thick, though, and I guess because he's short that might add to the illusion. One of the those fratmen.tv nebraska boys was listed as 5'5" and only 125 lb, but in the vid I saw he looked to me much taller and heavier. What do I know; anyone who weighs less that 170 is small in my book! :biggrin1: :wink: