Circumcision: What do you really think????

[Mr._dB]

[quote author=MASSIVEPKGOFCHUCK link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=20#30 date=02/03/04 at 07:40:04]...but seriously, why in hell would you want to get it done when you're older and more aware of what's going on, as opposed to getting it done when you're newborn and wouldn't remember it for the life of you? ??? :-/
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Why not just not get it cut off at all?

 

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ITakeMyVitamins: This is a really interesting topic.

Regarding the posters who who say the choice should be given to the boy when he reaches a certain age, I don't entirely disagree, but can you imagine the consequences of this? Let's say at 16, all boys/guys had to choose. Who would really be making the decision? The guys in the locker room teasing him about what he 'should' or 'shouldn't' do? The girl he happens to be with THAT week? I'm not saying a smart decision couldn't be made, but I think it would take a rather exceptional individual, someone very confident and comfortable with himself, for a decision to be made be truly his.

I, myself, am cut. I don't think I even knew this till my early teens (11-12). . . a little while after the time I discovered how much fun a few minutes of time and a few ounces of vaseline could be. Honestly, at this age I wondered what a 'cut' penis looked like! Little did I know I had one in my pants. From movies, I had heard of circumcision and thought, "My lord, that would be horrible!" Again, from movies I was under the impression that only Jewish boys were cut, and this confused me more. In elementry school, I had some Jewish friends and, honestly, felt sorry for them! When I had first heard of "nipping the tip", my mind generated pictures of half of your cock being chopped off. . . stomach turning, I know. Inevitably, I was enlightened by the curiostiy of adolescence and my first experiences with porn. In one video, I thought, "Huh, that looks different." The pieces of my penis puzzle were coming together.

Out of curiosity, I would love to play with, and let others play with, an uncut version of my cock. I can't say I'd prefer it either way, however. . . I've had it only one way for 22 years. As far as sensitivity, I already blast off like a rocket ship. If my cock uncut would increase this level of sensitivy, I'm convinced NASA would be using it to propel the next generation of shuttles to Mars. In all seriousness though, I WOULD have prefered the choice. If I could have my original cock back, I'd take it in a heartbeat. This is more due to curiostiy of something new, though. Like a new car. If you had the same car for 22 years, no matter how much you love that car, you'd probably get pretty excited about getting a new one.

 

[B_RoysToy]

Not only do I like your cock, ITakeMyVitamins, I also enjoy reading your posts. Your sense of humor is revealed in your choice of profile names, as well as in your writings. -- one of my favorite posters, dude.

Luke

 

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tigerwolf: [quote author=lunchmeat link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=20#39 date=03/21/04 at 01:14:33]Circumcision is a reminder of man's perversion masquerading as religiosity.[/quote]
Thank you Lunchmeat. Its nice to know there's some actual brainpower going on for this.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=lunchmeat link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=20#39 date=03/21/04 at 01:14:33]Circumcision is a reminder of man's perversion masquerading as religiosity.[/quote]
Police have often found tapes of circumcisions in kiddie porn rings.

Circumcision went from ritual to science in an era when masturbation was thought unhealthy. This was because of such 'rational' reasons as "Mental patients masturbate publicly more often than sane people. Therefore masturbation causes insanity." Since then, it's been claimed to cure or prevent just about every disease. Bottom line: It's all about the Benjamins.

 

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ORCABOMBER: It's hypocrticial when female circumision is probably seen as evil as you can get, when both are about "tampering with the goods". Heck, in equal rights and all, women should decide if they want their sexual organs "sliced" as well.

 

[jonb]

[quote author=ORCABOMBER link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#45 date=03/23/04 at 01:22:32]It's hypocrticial when female circumision is probably seen as evil as you can get, when both are about "tampering with the goods". Heck, in equal rights and all, women should decide if they want their sexual organs "sliced" as well.[/quote]
There are different forms of genital modification as well. There's a whole glossary of them:

Sup{er,ra}incision - a slit on the dorsal side of the penis. Typically found in certain Polynesians, the result is that the foreskin hangs down. (This one always reminded me of a beard.)
Circumcision - originally, this operation was just the tip, but it later included the whole foreskin. Originally, it was a Levantine practice also common in much of Africa; it was appropriated by US doctors to prevent masturbation, and later other diseases. The latest excuse is HIV, though the locker room expression "I fucked her raw" quickly belies that. (Besides which, your chances of getting HIV from one case of coitus with a Jane Random who doesn't use IV drugs and isn't a prostitute would be one in five billion.)
Subincision - practiced among Australian aboriginals, this involves a slit on the underside of the urethra. They do it for transgender reasons: Like many ancient peoples, they see mensis as purification.

Now, in terms of female genital alterations:

Sunna circumcision - basically, the removal of just the clitoral hood. It was first used by Muslims, ironically, so women could take part in Abraham's covenant. It's called sunna because, even though the Quran doesn't mention it, Muhammad said that it was more aesthetically pleasing.
Clitoridectomy - removal of the entire clitoris. Clitoridectomy was invented by Sudanese midwives as a compromise to the British outlawing infibulation in 1946. In the States, clitoridectomy was accepted as a way to enhance a woman's sexual pleasure until 1979, around the time the AAP first stopped recommending circumcision. Clitoridectomy is practiced in about half of Africa.
Infibulation, also known as Pharaonic circumcision - removal of the clitoris and labia, along with the sewing of the sides of the vagina together. Practiced in southern Egypt, Sudan, Somalia, and for some inexplicable reason parts of Mali and Nigeria.

There's also what's done to intersex children. It's basically like clitoridectomy, only without their parents' permission.

 

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ORCABOMBER: Thanks JonB, the brains of the board. ;D

I have seen a program on intersex children, it's kind of disturbing that if a woman has a "mega clit" that's about an inch big, it can still be cut off.

There go my potential girlfriends! :'(

Seriously though, while there's a need for people to have defined genders, perhaps it's biased on what is aesthetically pleasing in the eyes of the people doing it, rather than what is best for the individual.

 

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javyn: circumcision is in the bible. whether or not you believe in that, is up to you.

 

[Mr._dB]

[quote author=javyn link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#48 date=03/25/04 at 23:33:29]circumcision is in the bible.  whether or not you believe in that, is up to you.  [/quote]

So? That only counts if you're Jewish. Paul made Christianity a Gentile religion, Christians are not bound by Abraham's covenant.

 

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Tender: [quote author=Mr._dB link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#49 date=03/26/04 at 09:23:39]

So?  That only counts if you're Jewish.  Paul made Christianity a Gentile religion, Christians are not bound by Abraham's covenant.[/quote]


true and also i have read material explaining that the circs done in the bible as ritual did not take the entire forskin.... done differently somehow than the usual done now... not sure if thats true... but never can tell....

 

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tigerwolf: [quote author=javyn link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#48 date=03/25/04 at 23:33:29]circumcision is in the bible.  whether or not you believe in that, is up to you.  [/quote]

Right. And what is the bible? It's a story not written by god or jesus, but a story they told to their friends and the friends wrote down supposedly.

Don't you know that anytime you tell your friends a story they fuck it up when they tell it to someone else? Its like the game 'purple monkey dishwasher' or 'telephone' when you're a kid that you play, when you start with one thing being said on the end and its supposed to be repeated flawlessly all the way down, but by the time you get to the end its something COMPLETELY different.

The bible's a big ol' book of fiction dude, and should have nothing to do with whether you try to force your religion onto an infant and mutilate their penis in a way that is essentially irreversable. Despite the fact that there are surgeries to 'put the foreskin back' it doesn't matter, because it still doesn't fix the sensitivity and such.

 

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Javierdude22: [quote author=tigerwolf link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#51 date=03/26/04 at 13:20:45]
Don't you know that anytime you tell your friends a story they fuck it up when they tell it to someone else? Its like the game 'purple monkey dishwasher' or 'telephone' when you're a kid that you play, when you start with one thing being said on the end and its supposed to be repeated flawlessly all the way down, but by the time you get to the end its something COMPLETELY different.[/quote]

Your so wise man...(pinks away tear)...your kindergarten wisdom really hit home.

Hm, apparently they have found several scriptures from different people, from different settings, from different times. Then they also found different translations through time. It turns out that through the years 95% of the original text still was in tact. Only recently with our light year speed secularization and the emergance of a LOT of different branches in the Christian faith, have translations become less correct.

[quote author=tigerwolf link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#51 date=03/26/04 at 13:20:45]
The bible's a big ol' book of fiction dude, and should have nothing to do with whether you try to force your religion onto an infant and mutilate their penis in a way that is essentially irreversable. Despite the fact that there are surgeries to 'put the foreskin back' it doesn't matter, because it still doesn't fix the sensitivity and such.
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I seem to recall your not-beating-around-the-bush filosofy, which is fine by me upto a point. Did you notice though how Javyn had the respect to use adult words and say "whether you believe it or not is upto you". So if you think the Bible is a book of fiction, try to put "In my opinion before or after that. It tends to show respect for the people who think differently.

Let me explain the ritual of circumsicion to you in terms you will understand. Circumsicion to Juidaism is a ritual which is embedded in traditional values. You for example believe in not-beating-around-the-bush. A ritual there would be to totally direspect people, and insult them. Comes with the turf right? I knew you"d understand. The same for Judaism and circumsicion.

Ill have more examples ready, to explain it a bit better to you, when you need them.

Laterz!

Javier

 

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tigerwolf: Javier, again if you're going to try to have a battle of wits with me, learn to speak english properly, make sense, and spell your words properly.

Thank you.

 

[B_RoysToy]

Thank you, Javierdude24, for you sane retort to what I consider your rather sad preceeding posting re. the Bible. Where there's life there's hope.

Luke

 

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Javierdude22: O, not wits sir, respect is the key word here.

Try to look it up in the dictionary...its there..

 

[jonb]

Actually, Mr._DB and Tender explained it most respectfully.

In tigerwolf's defense, there are also Bible verses favoring human sacrifice (Numbers 31:28-29) and against the whole 'medical science' business altogether (James 5:14-15). Naturally, anyone taking a literalist standpoint doesn't see these kinds of things coming.

 

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Javierdude22: I dont care about his opinion. I care about how he voices it..

The Bible says many things, and it is so easy to attack it when one doesnt know the first thing about it.

I simply cannot stand the general disrespect this person has...and I'm not even talking about the Bible, but about other people and their opinions in general, and I'll let him know.

 

[Pecker]

Homesick, Javier?

Maybe you'll get lucky and they won't extend your Visa.

At any rate, I love that smiling Avatar! I can imagine a Chinese Pug in Denmark that barks with a Spanish accent!

 

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tigerwolf: [quote author=Javierdude24 link=board=youth;num=1075341523;start=40#57 date=03/27/04 at 07:31:02]I dont care about his opinion. I care about how he voices it..

The Bible says many things, and it is so easy to attack it when one doesnt know the first thing about it.

I simply cannot stand the general disrespect this person has...and I'm not even talking about the Bible, but about other people and their opinions in general, and I'll let him know. [/quote]
Unfortunately for you Javier, I don't give a damn what you think either, really. And until you learn how to speak english properly while trying to insult me, I'll just further continue to brush your comments towards me off and laugh along with the other people who've said the same in the past to you on this board.

You're completely asinine.