Coronavirus

[dandelion]

where your point fails is that not only dont we know the full extent of people sick with covid, we also dont know the full death rates of covid since theres under-reporting for that as well, clearly shown in the stats for excess deaths.

In the UK total deaths dropped below the five year average last may. looking at non covid deaths, they have been below the 5 year average since last november, such that about 50% of reported UK covid deaths since then have been cancelled out in an estimate of excess deaths. overall about 40% of official Uk covid deaths are eliminated using an excess deaths measure. We have over reporting of covid deaths.

The problem is that anyone who has covid and dies is likely to become a covid death statistic whether covid really contributed to that death. Thats obvious if you look at the government preferred measure 'death within 28 days of a positive test'. less obvious, it also applies to death certificate reports, where if there is any mention on the certificate of a covid contribution then it counts as a covid death. Is it realistic to count someone really dying from terminal cancer as a covid death because they also had covid at the time?

So..maybe some places covid deaths are being missed, but clearly they are also being over stated in others.

so where do you get 0.01% of people sick that die?

i dont. There are no reliable statistics on number of people exposed to covid. By which i mean people who have received a dose of covid which you would have expected to cause an infection, because it would have been enough in many who get ill. All the figures I talk about are population wide death rates. In a typical unrestricted covid outbreak most people show no signs of illness. It dies out while apparently only affecting a small percentage of the population. Any attempt to estimate the death rate from an illness must count the total who died in the whole population, because diseases always die out before seemingly affecting a significant proportion. Which is much higher for covid than many diseases. And so typically in the west a covid wave has killed 0.1% of the poulation before dying out. In pacific countries its more like 0.01%. In the current delta wave in the Uk its more like 0.01%, with the benefit of vaccination.

This suspiciously suggests pacific nations behaved as if they had already had the vaccine at outset.

We dont know what proportion of people in the Uk susceptible to covid death had already died by the time of the kent wave peak. Death rate was already down compared to excess deaths. We would have expected the delta wave to have even lower death rate without even one person being vaccinated.

 

[b.c.]

Meanwhile, IRL, the latest in coronavirus news:

Florida, Again, Breaks Record For COVID-19 Hospitalizations | HuffPost

Texas' unvaccinated: who they are and where they live | The Texas Tribune
Unvaccinated Texas mom and dad on ventilators beg their 4 kids to get COVID shots
Louisiana Reinstates Indoor Mask Mandate As State's Largest Hospital Runs Out Of Beds
Tennessee has duty to keep students informed and safe from COVID-19
Covid vaccine could give lifetime protection if you've already been infected - Miriam Stoppard - Mirror Online

CDC issues eviction moratorium extension after Democratic outcry | TheHill

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[b.c.]

Also, people at ALL levels are losing patience with willful ignorance:

Economist Paul Krugman: Republicans are playing politics with American lives as COVID ravages the unvaccinated

Louisiana Governor John Bel Edwards To The Unvaccinated: ‘Do You Give A Damn?’ - Wonkette
'Very selfish people': Exhausted Louisiana ICU nurse shames Americans who refuse vaccinations - Raw Story
'Angry and ashamed': Frustrated Florida doctors slam GOP governors for politicizing public health as COVID sweeps through state

And in BiZaRrO World:

‘No signs of plateauing’ in Florida’s COVID cases as DeSantis refuses to mandate masks

Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis defends unvaccinated people who are catching COVID-19: Media is being 'judgmental'
Broward school district backpedals on mask mandate after DeSantis says he’ll cut funds
Amid a week of maddening COVID-19 missteps, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott makes the worst of them all
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[bar4doug]

Meanwhile, IRL, the latest in coronavirus news:

Florida, Again, Breaks Record For COVID-19 Hospitalizations | HuffPost
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I blame air-conditioning... I have relatives living in Florida who told me last year, "People are simply getting is by being in an air-conditioned car / shop / etc...."

Turn off the A/C, and roll down the windows...

 

[Klingsor]

I blame air-conditioning... I have relatives living in Florida who told me last year, "People are simply getting is by being in an air-conditioned car / shop / etc...."

Turn off the A/C, and roll down the windows...

Or just roll up your sleeve.

 

[bar4doug]

Or just roll up your sleeve.

No disagreement there... It may not stop community spread, but it would reduce the number of those requiring hospitalization.

 

[Klingsor]

No disagreement there... It may not stop community spread, but it would reduce the number of those requiring hospitalization.

It would reduce both significantly.

Not that you can't still turn off the A/C and roll down the windows, but that's going to be an easier proposition on some Florida days than others.

 

[b.c.]

There was SO much out there in coronavirus news today that if I posted everything I saved just today I'd have twenty five links here. Here's SOME of it, and ALL of it, quite troubling:

COVID-19 cases surge 84% among children and teens in U.S. over the last week
Surgeon general says he's 'deeply concerned' as COVID-19 cases reach record highs in Florida

Kansas City emergency rooms are overwhelmed. Hospitals ask some patients to stay away
Mississippi has only 6 open ICU beds, Arkansas only 25 as delta variant fuels Covid surge
As COVID Breaks Records in Arkansas, Its GOP Governor Regrets Ban on Mask Mandates – Mother Jones

Many are growing tired of and are FIGHTING BACK against the willful ignorance and obstinacy on the part of those RISKING OUR LIVES on behalf of THEIR HATEFUL CAUSE:

Biden Calls Out Texas, Florida GOP Govs Over COVID-19: ‘Get Out Of The Way’
The View’s Joy Behar blasts Florida Governor Ron DeSantis ‘a negligent, homicidal sociopath’
Business Owners Defend Their Decisions to Require Vaccines
Death cult leader' Marco Rubio faces furious backlash after telling Americans to get over their 'mask fetish'
Literally losing our workforce': Florida schools defy DeSantis' anti-mask order
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[b.c.]

Batshit crazy Bizarro mentality:

DeSantis responds to Biden's call for action on COVID - by lashing out at him and blaming immigrants
DeSantis-promoted doc who said kids don't need to be vaccinated facing investigation from medical board
Texas GOP Official Mocked COVID Five Days Before He Died of Virus

And the cost in pain, suffering and LIVES LOST:

Fitness enthusiast, 42, who rejected vaccine, dies of Covid | Coronavirus | The Guardian
Covid patient goes from 'invincible' to hospital-bed vaccine advocate
Mum-of-three, 25, dies from Covid after saying she was ‘nervous’ and ‘too busy’ to have jabs
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[dandelion]

In the Uk latest results show cases falling again amongst unvaccinated people, but not so much amongst the vaccinated. https://covid-assets.joinzoe.com/latest/covid_symptom_study_report.pdf

Much has been made about larger numbers of cases amongst unvaccinated than vaccinated people. The current report above has about x14 as many cases in the 20-29 age group as the 60+. Roughly speaking, that older group is vaccinated while the younger is unvaccinated, although even the younger group will by now have maybe 1/4 vaccinated and another 1/4 with high antibody levels post infection. The youngest age group 0-19 is a bit difficult to interpret, because there has always been way more cases 10-19 than 0-9, so in reality a plot for 10-19 probably ought to be up there similar to 20-29. There are tabulated but not graphed results by decade which confirm this.

The trouble is, if I look at a past report and look at the covid peak in January, I see the ratio of 20-20 to 60+ was about 11:1.
So...its hardly changed. At that time some of the oldest would have been vaccinated, by the greta majority over 60 not vaccinated at all because the program had only been running a few weeks and started slow.

Looking at the peak at 1 Nov, the ratio of cases was about 8:1.

Regrettably there is no age data for the first peak and we have only these three data points, although there is no random error in this, its clear that during the recorded period covering three peaks of outbreaks, the proportion of older people getting ill has steadily fallen.

Looks like a trend. Nothing to do with vaccine, its simply the old are no longer catching covid as often as they did at the start. no evidence from this vaccination has made any difference to this steady trend.

 

[Thequestionis]

I’ve been home for the last three days with Covid. This is the first day I’ve been able to look at a screen. I’ve had my first vax and was days away from my second.

this illness is a bastard. My entire body aches, I have no appetite, I’m cold yet sweating profusely. I’m a hotel manager and it’s been so busy in the UK hospitality sector that I’ve not been anywhere other than work so I’ve definitely got it from a customer who has no symptoms.

 

[seventiesdemon]

People think, well at least they say they do, about lock downs, freedom to protest...blah, blah.

Australia is in lock down, has been for many, many years.
We have border control at airports, docks, anywhere international travel arrives, 24/7 365 days of the year. Most countries are the same.

Australia has a diverse native flora and fauna. As well as a huge flourishing nation of livestock, fisheries, fowl and much more. We have a reputation of supplying the best, cleanest, freshest produce to the world. So, we are constantly inspecting, attempting to prevent disease infected animals, produce, product from entering our borders of nations where diseased produce is produced.

Take mad cow disease.....a totally new construct which never existed before in human history. Bought to you by the bright sparks, free thinkers who thought feeding offal to herbivores was AOK. 4.5 million animals were slaughtered and buried in an effort to control the spread of the disease. If they did not do this, if the world did not quarantine, lock down the UK, the worlds beef, beef products would have been contaminated forever. Your big Mac, contaminated with a debilitating disease worse than death.

We here in Australia defend ourselves from people...thinking it's their free right, democracy, no-one can tell them attitude. That they are purposefully, willingly wish to evade simple rules which protect our diverse native, bird, wildlife, livestock, fisheries, hatcheries, vegetable farms etc from disease and virus prone nations from Bird Flu, Swine Flu, Hendra Virus, Foot And Mouth, Mad Cow, Prawn Virus, Honey Bee Virus and multitudes of others. Simply because people presume their rights are above all others.

Do you put new fish into your established fish tank, do you put an animal in the paddock with others unless you place them into a quarantine, lock down before you do? To be certain they carry no disease to infect your prized possessions?

These viruses spread to humans, it kills owners, vets. Hundreds of thousands, millions of animals are put down to control the spread. Whole nations are placed into lock down to stop the spread of animal disease. Otherwise the worlds economy, food supply would be strangled to death.

Scientists work overtime, 24/7 to prevent viruses from spreading throughout our food supplies. We export 70% of all we produce. Can you imagine if our market dropped off the scene?

If it were not for science finding vaccines for animals, if it were not for quarantine of animals, products and fowl, if it was not for constant monitoring of virus, disease and illness. I wouldn't be chatting to you on the internet, we would be living still in medieval times dealing with plague and pestilence.

So yeah, we are lucky we lock down, animals can't defend themselves from virus, and they can't defend us. Because it's their viruses most of our human virus extend from. So to all you free thinkers....well actually you don't think, because you are all a bunch a sheep following conspiracy theories...following rednecked politicians, loudmouthed media jocks who do your thinking for you. Never looking at what goes on behind the scenes to keep the food on your table.

Most of us try to do the right thing to move forward, making up for those who think their right is to skirt the law, the rules because of their selfish right to place everything, everyone else at risk. I don't care whether you get vaccinated or not, stamp your feet and cry your freedoms have been temporarily put on hold. Because that's exactly what illegal importers of animals, contaminated products think when they attempt to sneak them through the safeguards.

Was going to say more, but yeah, just be grateful it's lock down, and you are not part of a herd and put down

 

[chrisrobin]

Donald Trump has a mild dose of the virus which he used to try and gain a political edge and then had two pricks (not his sons) and is now double vaccinated. So relatively safe.
If you though he'd encourage all those non vaccinated to get in line you're mistaken.
Trump would rather remain silent than be accused of doing Biden's work to protect the nation.
He would rather see his anti vax followers die in agony with failing breath than encourage anyone to have the jab.
After all he is going to be OK, and after all wasn't his presidency, and since, all about ME ME.
Still, on t he bright side less live morons to lead the next insurrection - now is it going to be August 13 or September 16...?

 

[Industrialsize]

Donald Trump has a mild dose of the virus which he used to try and gain a political edge and then had two pricks (not his sons) and is now double vaccinated. So relatively safe.

This actually isn't true and has been reported on widely:
Trump’s Coronavirus Infection Was Much Worse Than We Knew
By lying about it, he led others to their deaths.

.......Once Trump tested positive, the infection could no longer be concealed. But he could still try to hide its severity, and he did. The authors report that he agreed to go to Walter Reed Medical Center only after aides presented a choice: He could walk to the helicopter on his own, or he might be wheeled out to it later, in which case “there would be no hiding his condition.” Trump was already being treated in the White House, so his reluctance to go wasn’t about bravery. It was about vanity and deception. That’s why his aides framed the choice as they did............

......Trump got much sicker than he or the White House acknowledged. Normal blood oxygen levels range from 95 percent to 100 percent. According to the book, Trump’s levels fell into the 80s. Aides feared for his life, and doctors administered a flurry of experimental treatments that were rarely combined. He was rescued by measures no ordinary person could expect: cutting-edge drugs that were in short supply, supervision and advice from the nation’s top physicians, and a direct phone call to the head of the FDA to get authorization for a novel therapy.....

.....It’s not surprising that the president of the United States got extraordinary care. But when you read the details of what it took to keep him alive, it’s dismaying to go back and look at what he told the public afterward. On his return from Walter Reed—while “still probably contagious,” the authors note—he defiantly removed his mask for the cameras, and he “strode into the White House, passing staffers” and potentially exposing them to the virus. Then he made a video, telling Americans that his recovery proved they shouldn’t fear the virus. “Don’t be afraid of it. You’re going to beat it,” he assured them. “We have the best medicines. …
Trump’s Coronavirus Infection Was Much Worse Than We Knew

 

[yrosen]

FACTS ABOUT VACCINATIONS WE NOW KNOW:

1. They do not give 90-95% protection from coronavirus.
2. Even people who have been vaccinated twice can get covid19, even regular, not delta
3. As of today the UK already has 30 cases of a new strain from July now circulating, very resistant to the vaccines.
4. The UK has testing that finds these new strains. they could be in many other countries already, just that they
dont have mapping that tracks new strains.
5. The policies of "vaccinated can enter" will of course help spread quickly these new more vaccinations-resistent varients.
6. Govts are caving in to pressures of the aviation and tourism sectors for open borders, which are endangering us globally.
7. Vaccines have a time limit. Already the effect of vaccines given in FEB 2021 is much lower (going down as much as 60%)
8. Playing stupid blame games by the WHO continues to deflect from their failed misleading handling of the covid19 from Wuhan onwards. WHO - a failed, corrupt, do-nothing-hold-press-campaigns UN organization that has failed to help countries to vaccinate while blaming others that have led organized and fast vaccination drives.
9. The failure of the WHO for months, during Wuhan, then Italy and then Diamond Princess in Japan, has led to the virus becoming a worldwide pandemic.
10. The failure of the WHO has led to new variants and the virus becoming a decade-long struggle instead of fast quick containment at the start of 2020.

The WHO should be put on trial for lying, corruption, mishandling, and creating havoc instead of coordinating.
While the global media wnats us to forget how they took their time on even naming this a pandemic. how they were critical to countries that closed borders early on. How they mishandled aiding countries to formulate vaccination drives and policies.
We will not forget. We call on the WHO clown Tedros Adhamon to resign and for him to be indicted on his complete and utter botchery of the situation.

 

[Industrialsize]

FACTS ABOUT VACCINATIONS WE NOW KNOW:

1. They do not give 90-95% protection from coronavirus.
2. Even people who have been vaccinated twice can get covid19, even regular, not delta
3. As of today the UK already has 30 cases of a new strain from July now circulating, very resistant to the vaccines.
4. The UK has testing that finds these new strains. they could be in many other countries already, just that they
dont have mapping that tracks new strains.
5. The policies of "vaccinated can enter" will of course help spread quickly these new more vaccinations-resistent varients.
6. Govts are caving in to pressures of the aviation and tourism sectors for open borders, which are endangering us globally.
7. Vaccines have a time limit. Already the effect of vaccines given in FEB 2021 is much lower (going down as much as 60%)
8. Playing stupid blame games by the WHO continues to deflect from their failed misleading handling of the covid19 from Wuhan onwards. WHO - a failed, corrupt, do-nothing-hold-press-campaigns UN organization that has failed to help countries to vaccinate while blaming others that have led organized and fast vaccination drives.
9. The failure of the WHO for months, during Wuhan, then Italy and then Diamond Princess in Japan, has led to the virus becoming a worldwide pandemic.
10. The failure of the WHO has led to new variants and the virus becoming a decade-long struggle instead of fast quick containment at the start of 2020.

The WHO should be put on trial for lying, corruption, mishandling, and creating havoc instead of coordinating.
While the global media wnats us to forget how they took their time on even naming this a pandemic. how they were critical to countries that closed borders early on. How they mishandled aiding countries to formulate vaccination drives and policies.
We will not forget. We call on the WHO clown Tedros Adhamon to resign and for him to be indicted on his complete and utter botchery of the situation.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[EagleCowboy]

So just how is it that the health authorities don't have the evidence they need to justify the mandates, lockdowns, quarantines?

Freedom Fighter Court VICTORY! Ends Masking, Shots, Quarantine in Alberta!

 

[Klingsor]

So just how is it that the health authorities don't have the evidence they need to justify the mandates, lockdowns, quarantines?

Freedom Fighter Court VICTORY! Ends Masking, Shots, Quarantine in Alberta!

"The video appears to contain several inaccuracies. It is unclear whether Mr. King fully understands the legal process he is involved in. . . . There is no indication that Mr. King’s case is connected to the relaxing of Covid restrictions in Alberta which fully opened on July 1, 2021. The Government of Alberta states they have opened the province due to achieving the government’s stated goal of 70% of Albertans receiving their first vaccine. Whether that is the reason, remains to be discovered in future court hearings."

Justice Centre statement about “Freedom Fighter Court Victory” video

 

[Industrialsize]

So just how is it that the health authorities don't have the evidence they need to justify the mandates, lockdowns, quarantines?

Freedom Fighter Court VICTORY! Ends Masking, Shots, Quarantine in Alberta!

Justice Centre statement about “Freedom Fighter Court Victory” video

Posted On: August 5, 2021

Our legal team has reviewed the video circulating entitled: “Freedom Fighter Court VICTORY! Ends Masking, Shots, Quarantine in Alberta!” that aired on a Stew Peters broadcast, August 3, 2021, announcing: “Patrick King is a proud father of 2, Freedom Fighter and Patriot who took on the powerful government in Alberta, and WON!”

The Justice Centre has also reviewed some of the available associated legal documents regarding Court File Number 12110 00751 Court of Queen’s Bench of Alberta, arising out of a ticket given to Patrick James King, a resident of Penhold, Alberta, issued to Mr. King for allegedly contravening an Order under S.73(1) of the Public Health Act, Provincial Court action number A87988036R. Excerpts of one available transcript can be found below.

The video appears to contain several inaccuracies. It is unclear whether Mr. King fully understands the legal process he is involved in. It appears that Mr. King was unsuccessful in his attempt to subpoena Alberta’s Chief Medical Health Officer. In the government’s filed Originating Application, July 16, 2021, the government notes Mr. King obtained a subpoena for the CMOH Dr. Deena Hinshaw to give evidence in the Provincial Court proceeding (the ticket case). The subpoena was issued by a Justice of the Peace under the Criminal Code, requesting the CMOH bring “all white papers describing the isolation of the COIVD-19 aka SARS-CoV-2 virus in human beings, directly from a sample taken from a diseased patient”, because “these white papers would have been integral in the crafting of the statutes made under the “Public Health Act” here in Alberta.”

The Government argued the subpoena was technically deficient and the Justice of the Peace had no jurisdiction to issue it. The Government further stated, Mr. King has “no evidence” showing that “the evidence sought from the CMOH is likely to be material” [legal term for meaning relevant and related] to the provincial court ticket received. “It is clear that Mr. King seeks evidence relating to the rationale for orders issued by the CMOH under the Act: he seeks evidence about the ‘Crafting of the statutes’,” stated the Government’s Affidavit. There do not appear to be any critical admissions by Dr. Hinshaw about the SARS-CoV-2 virus and this document has been prepared by the government’s legal team, not Dr. Hinshaw.

“The Provincial Court proceeding is about the December 5, 2020 enforcement of the law (when Mr. King was issued the ticket), not the rational for the law. The CMOH does not have, and Mr. King does not seek from the CMOH, any evidence about the ticket issued to Mr. King,” states the Government Affidavit. The Judge hearing the case informed the Accused, Mr. Patrick King, that he had not properly filed a Charter challenge against the law as required to fight the law itself, and thus could only address the ticket issued to him.

There is no indication that Mr. King’s case is connected to the relaxing of Covid restrictions in Alberta which fully opened on July 1, 2021. The Government of Alberta states they have opened the province due to achieving the government’s stated goal of 70% of Albertans receiving their first vaccine. Whether that is the reason, remains to be discovered in future court hearings.

The Justice Centre’s Charter challenge against lockdowns, first filed in December 2020, is still proceeding in Court.
Justice Centre statement about "Freedom Fighter Court Victory" video | Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms

 

[yrosen]

AJZ News item - 5/8/2021

Hundreds of fully vaccinated people in England have been hospitalised with the highly
contagious Delta coronavirus variant, scientists said on Friday.

In its latest COVID-19 update, Public Health England (PHE) also warned there were early signs
that people who have been inoculated may be able to transmit the Delta strain as easily as those
who have not received any jabs.

From July 19 to August 2, 55.1 percent of the 1,467 people hospitalised with the Delta variant
were unvaccinated, PHE said, while 34.9 percent – or 512 people – had received two doses.