Do u have a price?! or definitely priceless?!

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By the way, that was a hypothetical question! I was not expecting a relevant answer from you! But since you answered that way: don't you think that was a bit harsh and rude?! Do you even know me? Do you know how I look?! Do you I know if I am kind or evil? Do you know how I treat women / people in general?! Sorry mam, BUT You don't know me at all so you can judge me or even have the slightest clue about me (a couple of days, you read several comments and posts from me!) and you say it like this "I don't find you AT ALL pleasant or appealing" That really hurt! I don't think I deserved this! I didn't say anything bad to you!!

If so, You choose your clients, fine, good for you; what does this have to do with prostitutes?!! Being sexually active or promiscuous at your own free will, while enjoying it, is a something completely different from what I am talking about! Maybe, you didn't see them "exploiting" you, because it was a kind of "mutual-exploitation" you get what you want from them, they get what they want! with no love, respect or commitment required. You did it for your own sexual pleasure not money! Am I okay with this? honestly: it's none of my business, you are free to fuck and get fucked whoever / whenever / however you want! Prostitutes (sex for money) is not about sexual-positiveness! It's mainly about men exploiting women! (This is the majority, but I clearly stated that I am against male prostitution as well!) I don't claim feminism, but maybe i claim humanism! and i don't deny I truly respect women in general, what's wrong with that?! (I have a wife, and 2 daughters, and what I don't want to happen to them, I apply to ALL women!)

I have gotten to know enough about you from your posts to have an opinion on it. Looks matter a little to me, but personality matters significantly more. In this case, your looks have no bearing. You could look like -insert random popular celebrity who people think is attractive- and it wouldn't matter. You picked the word choice of "would you really agree to do me some favors (sexual favors) in exchange for money", not me. I didn't say a single thing about how you treat anyone being a factor. I didn't say a single thing about whether you're good or evil.

You're making blanket statements about sex work that boil down to "it's bad and exploitation and people can't enjoy it". That's what my experiences doing sex work have to do with this topic.

Two (or more) consenting, informed adults is "mutual exploitation"? Good grief, your posts just keep going more and more towards some puritanical, anti sex positivity. I suppose people should only have sex with someone they love, are monogamous with, and have as few sex partners as possible? Because "feminism" according to you?
 
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This is just fucking ridiculous. Show me an article from a reputable journal that provides facts and statistics on prostitutes. Then I'll consider what you are saying.

You act like these women are some poor damsel in distress who have no choice but to sell their body. I'm not denying that those women exist, but to get all worked up about this without providing any valid facts is almost laughable.

The fact that you are implying there is something wrong with the women here because we support prostitution when a woman decides to do it really implies that there is something wrong with you.
 
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where Did i "kink-shame"?? enjoying it, is different than being done to you unwillingly (sometimes forcefully) or reluctantly without any enjoyment just to get the money! Would you ever accept an act done to you that you really don't want to?? even if you are compensated later???

You link shame right freaking here. Because apparently no sex worker could possibly enjoy BDSM, much less BDSM with a client, apparently.

you know that more than 40% of men dealing with prostitutes are married, why they do it? To perform the fantasies they cannot do "TO" their wives! Very rough sex! hard (painful) spanking, face-fucks!, facials, face hitting,.....etc.
 
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By the way, You just put it in a way that "YOU" choose! but actually, the clients are the ones who decide! You offer, they search for what they are looking for, if your offer matches, they CHOOSE you! have you ever refused a client who just wants only what you exactly offer?

Yes, I have. Now what? :rolleyes:
 

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This is just fucking ridiculous. Show me an article from a reputable journal that provides facts and statistics on prostitutes. Then I'll consider what you are saying.

You act like these women are some poor damsel in distress who have no choice but to sell their body. I'm not denying that those women exist, but to get all worked up about this without providing any valid facts is almost laughable.

The fact that you are implying there is something wrong with the women here because we support prostitution when a woman decides to do it really implies that there is something wrong with you.

Please read comment # 36

You will find statistics from sources!

and please do you think I'll just make these "claims" or "lies" to achieve what? to win this argument? No thanks! I'm not that sick!
 

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Please read comment # 36

You will find statistics from sources!

and please do you think I'll just make these "claims" or "lies" to achieve what? to win this argument? No thanks! I'm not that sick!
Yes, I read that comment. Did you read mine where I asked for you to provide information from a reputable journal? Do you know what that is?

And I don't know you so I have no idea what your motives are.
 
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You link shame right freaking here. Because apparently no sex worker could possibly enjoy BDSM, much less BDSM with a client, apparently.

It's not for me or you to speak for the prostitutes:


"Female prostitution statistics tell a completely different story. The average female prostitute enters her job when she is only 16 or 17 years of age. Female prostitutes leave prostitution less frequently than their male counterparts. This is mainly because a smaller proportion of them work for pimps. They typically have shorter lives because they are subject to the abuse from both clients and pimps. 58% of American prostitutes reported violent assault at the hands of clients.
With a higher instance of physical violence perpetrated against them, female prostitutes are more likely to get murdered. In a period of five years in Newark, New Jersey, 14 homicide victims were known prostitutes. That is an incredibly high figure in a city of 280,000 residents with an average annual murder rate of 7 homicides per 100,000 persons.
Roughly 26% of New York City prostitutes were homeless and addicted to illicit drugs. They had to resort to prostitution to serve their addiction to hard drugs like crack, cocaine, and heroin. 90% of New York City prostitutes had to give away at least one child to child protective services."

"On Average a prostitute is beaten roughly 12 times per year"

"In the 1990s, researchers Melissa Farley and Howard Barkan conducted a study on prostitution, violence against women and post traumatic stress disorder, interviewing 130 San Francisco prostitutes:
Eighty-two percent of these respondents reported having been physically assaulted since entering prostitution. Of those who had been physically assaulted, 55% had been assaulted by customers. Eighty-eight percent had been physically threatened while in prostitution, and 83% had been physically threatened with a weapon....Sixty-eight percent...reported having been raped since entering prostitution. Forty-eight percent had been raped more than five times. Forty-six percent of those who reported rapes stated that they had been raped by customers."

"Prostituted women have long been considered "fair game" for sexual harassment, rape, gang-rape, "kinky" sex, robbery, and beatings....A 1991 study by the Council for Prostitution Alternatives, in Portland, Oregon, documented that 78 percent of 55 prostituted women reported being raped an average of 16 times annually by their pimps and 33 times a year by johns. Twelve rape complaints were made in the criminal justice system and neither pimps nor johns were ever convicted. These prostitutes also reported being "horribly beaten" by their pimps an average of 58 times a year. The frequency of beatings...by johns ranged from I to 400 times a year. Legal action was pursued in 13 cases, resulting in 2 convictions for "aggravated assault."

"80% of prostitution survivors at the WHISPER Oral History Project reported that their customers showed them pornography to illustrate the kinds of sexual activities in which they wanted to engage. 52% of the women stated that pornography played a significant role in teaching them what was expected of them as prostitutes. 30% reported that their pimps regularly exposed them to pornography in order to indoctrinate them into an acceptance of the practices depicted. (A facilitator's guide to Prostitution: a matter of violence against women, 1990, WHISPER - Women Hurt in Systems of Prostitution Engaged in Revolt Minneapolis, MN) "


A Canadian Report on Prostitution and Pornography concluded that girls and women in prostitution have a mortality rate 40 times higher than the national average. ( Special Committee on Pornography and Prostitution, 1985, Pornography and Prostitution in Canada 350.) In one study, 75% of women in escort prostitution had attempted suicide. Prostituted women comprised 15% of all completed suicides reported by hospitals. (Letter from Susan Kay Hunter, Council for Prostitution Alternatives, Jan 6, 1993)
 

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I'm waiting for the next thread about how all drug dealers are just misunderstood, disadvantaged youth who have no other opportunities and can't escape the life :rolleyes:

Stop being silly!! :p

I'll - without hesitation - shot every drug dealer dead!

Seriously: do you see prostitutes as "criminals"? or what?

I say they are "sufferers" more than 60% of them were subjected to child sex abuse! Those are certainly victims and even worse, Children victims who were not taken care of!!

why don't you read the statistics (or any other statistics) and let me know your comments and views around them? I'm sharing some facts with you! I'm not making anything up!
 
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It's not for me or you to speak for the prostitutes:

Except you keep trying to. I haven't even remotely hinted at anything suggesting that there are zero sex workers who live with abuse, exploitation, etc. You are linking/quoting things to try and push your own agenda, acting like zero sex workers enjoy their work, zero sex workers enjoy BDSM with their clients, and zero sex workers choose to do the work of their own volition.

I know sex worker women who say the contrary. From their own mouths.

Just like the porn thread, your writing at least says things are black and white. There is no middle ground or exceptions. Your writing says others have said things when they haven't, and then you try and debate with things that only you have said.
 
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Except you keep trying to. I haven't even remotely hinted at anything suggesting that there are zero sex workers who live with abuse, exploitation, etc. You are linking/quoting things to try and push your own agenda, acting like zero sex workers enjoy their work, zero sex workers enjoy BDSM with their clients, and zero sex workers choose to do the work of their own volition.

I know sex worker women who say the contrary. From their own mouths.

Just like the porn thread, your writing at least says things are black and white. There is no middle ground or exceptions. Your writing says others have said things when they haven't, and then you try and debate with things that only you have said.

I am copying "PERCENTAGES"...none of which said "100%"!!!

I know there ARE sex workers who specializes in BDSM, and I have read an article where one was speaking that she enjoys most of it! I acknowledge that! does this make you happy?!

But, what about the majority of prostitutes in general??
We are talking about "RAPE" not some BDSM spanking or agreed upon forced orgasm!! RAPE!!!!

BDSM was just a side talk, and although YES there are workers who would willingly do it and enjoy it, MANY other workers are forced and raped and made to do shit they don't enjoy or want, sometimes under the threat of an arm, some even get shot and killed!! This is the whole picture that I want you to consider!
 

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I am copying "PERCENTAGES"...none of which said "100%"!!!

I know there ARE sex workers who specializes in BDSM, and I have read an article where one was speaking that she enjoys most of it! I acknowledge that! does this make you happy?!

But, what about the majority of prostitutes in general??
We are talking about "RAPE" not some BDSM spanking or agreed upon forced orgasm!! RAPE!!!!

BDSM was just a side talk, and although YES there are workers who would willingly do it and enjoy it, MANY other workers are forced and raped and made to do shit they don't enjoy or want, sometimes under the threat of an arm, some even get shot and killed!! This is the whole picture that I want you to consider!
No one is denying that those things happen. But we are merely saying that this is not likely the case for the majority.

That's like saying that most police officers are corrupt or most musicians are drug addicts or even that most women in high paying jobs get there by sleeping their way to the top. Yeah, those scenarios are true for some. But not likely the majority.
 
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I asked for an article from a reputable scientific journal, not a propaganda website.

scientific journal?! seriously??

These are the sources that I can "reach" right now, sorry! If it isn't enough for you, or it doesn't prove anything, I can't help it!

what is it exactly that you think I'm wrong at and I have to prove it? Prostitutes are just stupid happy women! criminals rather than victims? what?
 

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No one is denying that those things happen. But we are merely saying that this is not likely the case for the majority.

That's like saying that most police officers are corrupt or most musicians are drug addicts or even that most women in high paying jobs get there by sleeping their way to the top. Yeah, those scenarios are true for some. But not likely the majority.

The percentages say what is and what isn't a majority! unless you really BELIEVE all the numbers i referred to are just fake! what do you want me to do then! you are free to live in your denial, but that wouldn't change the facts!

what do YOU want me to BELIEVE??
 

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scientific journal?! seriously??

These are the sources that I can "reach" right now, sorry! If it isn't enough for you, or it doesn't prove anything, I can't help it!

what is it exactly that you think I'm wrong at and I have to prove it? Prostitutes are just stupid happy women! criminals rather than victims? what?
Google scholar provides many free articles to scientific journals. It's accessible to anyone.

The site that you provided me is clearly propaganda because it says that all prostitutuon is rape, abuse, etc. That's not a reputable source.

Prostitutes (for the most part) in my opinion are neither criminals, nor victims. Women who choose to use their body how they wish have a right to. If it's consensual and legal then they can do whatever the hell they want and have the right to do it without being judged.
 
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The percentages say what is and what isn't a majority! unless you really BELIEVE all the numbers i referred to are just fake! what do you want me to do then! you are free to live in your denial, but that wouldn't change the facts!

what do YOU want me to BELIEVE??
Correct, I do not believe the percentages because they are not from a reputable source. A proper scientific study (social science) would be enough to convince me.

Anyone on the internet can pull figures out of their ass and claim it's true, I don't see how that's so difficult to understand.
 
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Google scholar provides many free articles to scientific journals. It's accessible to anyone.

The site that you provided me is clearly propaganda because it says that all prostitutuon is rape, abuse, etc. That's not a reputable source.

Prostitutes (for the most part) in my opinion are neither criminals, nor victims. Women who choose to use their body how they wish have a right to. If it's consensual and legal then they can do whatever the hell they want and have the right to do it without being judged.

Is it just because it shows high percentages of rape and abuse >>> not a reputable source!

look, I tried to show you how so many prostitutes have been subjected to child sexual abuse (You can search that on your own and prove me wrong if you want!) Many prostitutes are subjected "regularly" to abuse by both the pimps and the clients. The majority of the prostitutes work under pimps, not free lancers (please search it!)
Look...I really don't wanna repeat everything, If you JUST don't want to believe what I shared, I really cannot help it, But remember, someday somebody tried to open your eyes on something that occurs in this world that maybe, it deserves you search it on your own, if you are interested!
There is nothing for me to gain here!