Is there really still a "circumsized is better" culture?

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Personally I do like a cut penis. They are pleasing to the eye and very sexy. But that's my own opinion, it's great that not all men are cut, and that men and women like both cut and uncut cock. Variety is the spice of life.
I am uncut myself, but I am planning on getting cut in the near future, for multiple reasons, as my wife and I see the benefits of being circumcised as outweighing the drawbacks.
 
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He sounds like an asshole.

Typing out a comedians jokes always reflects poorly on them. I don't think he's an asshole, I think he's very funny and probably a pretty nice guy. He was trying to make an audience laughed and it worked. He was also making those jokes in the UK, to an audience which, as far as the males are concerned, are less likely to have been circumcised.
 

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This is still an example of a culture that is anti foreskin. That circumcised is better. I hope I remember this thread every time I see an example, but I know I've missed a few. I think this thread could be a good library of foreskin hate in media/pop culture.

Again, a penis in its natural state is disgusting. Your infant daughter is gross until I drill holes in her ear lobes. Your son makes me sick unless he's got a tribal tattoo around his nothing bicep. Women are disgusting too if they haven't had their clits removed. Maybe none of that is true, but we could let the recipient of that treatment make the decision.

To me, exposed nipples on a woman is nude, covered nipples is dressed. On a man, an exposed glans is naked, a covered glans is dressed. I guess that perception is a bit odd, but it is my nudist viewpoint. If you cut off a mans foreskin, you leave him exposed to the world, or you commit him to a lifetime of hiding himself in any attempt at propriety.

All the things you say in the last paragraph make me cringe. When I see an infant with pierced ears I get stuck at disgust for the parents. Indeed - let the owner of the body make the choice. Indeed.
 
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To me, exposed nipples on a woman is nude, covered nipples is dressed. On a man, an exposed glans is naked, a covered glans is dressed. I guess that perception is a bit odd, but it is my nudist viewpoint. If you cut off a mans foreskin, you leave him exposed to the world, or you commit him to a lifetime of hiding himself in any attempt at propriety.

All the things you say in the last paragraph make me cringe. When I see an infant with pierced ears I get stuck at disgust for the parents. Indeed - let the owner of the body make the choice. Indeed.
That’s not odd at all. When I got mine back and it covered over, I felt more secure and less naked. I totally agree.
 
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To me, exposed nipples on a woman is nude, covered nipples is dressed. On a man, an exposed glans is naked, a covered glans is dressed. I guess that perception is a bit odd, but it is my nudist viewpoint. If you cut off a mans foreskin, you leave him exposed to the world, or you commit him to a lifetime of hiding himself in any attempt at propriety.

All the things you say in the last paragraph make me cringe. When I see an infant with pierced ears I get stuck at disgust for the parents. Indeed - let the owner of the body make the choice. Indeed.

Yeah, I tried to make them as cringe inducing as possible. I kind of regret using the tactic, but I feel like it works to some degree. But it sucks that its the same tactic used by the people who protest abortion with posters of dead babies. I was once on a date with a woman, things were going well and we were going to go back to my place. When we got back to my car I found a flier on my car with images of women who had been horribly abused, acid thrown in their faces, horrible burns, etc. I honestly don't remember exactly what the point of the flier was, but I remember the images, and I remember it ruining our night. So, I'm not all that happy about using the same tactic myself. But I do stand by my point.
 

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Here are some posts from a quotes from a Jim Jeffries comedy special released on Netflix tonight. I like Jim Jeffries. I know he's making some jokes so I don't care what he says, and I know quoting his jokes in text kills the joke. I care what unfunny asshole will say on his behalf.

-The reason I got my son circumcised is so that when he is older women will enjoy having his dick in their mouths. I did it because I love him, and your dicks are fucking disgusting. You fucking animals. How do you fucking look at your dicks and have any level of self respect? Every fucking day, your fucking hooded slimy fucking dicks. My dick smells constantly, it's an eternal battle against that smell, I can't even imagine what you accept in your life. Do you know that its not in porn! It's not in fucking porn! Uncircumcised isn't in porn because the people that make porn are running a business and they don't want people fucking vomiting while they're masturbating. You can't go to a porn site an put uncircumcised in, it doesn't come up. Your dick is less of a fetish than fucking feet you fucking disgusting animals.

He says a few things about extra skin and docking after that. Then describes an uncircumcised dick as a horrible dick and a circumcised dick as a nice dick.

I like Jim Jeffries a lot, he's at least in my top 20 comics. And I know typing out what he says makes it harsher without his comment. He was saying that to a UK audience that was clearly primarily uncircumcised, and they enjoyed the jokes, so did I.

This is still an example of a culture that is anti foreskin. That circumcised is better. I hope I remember this thread every time I see an example, but I know I've missed a few. I think this thread could be a good library of foreskin hate in media/pop culture.

Again, a penis in its natural state is disgusting. Your infant daughter is gross until I drill holes in her ear lobes. Your son makes me sick unless he's got a tribal tattoo around his nothing bicep. Women are disgusting too if they haven't had their clits removed. Maybe none of that is true, but we could let the recipient of that treatment make the decision.

Quoting your own post is weird, but I was rereading and remembered something I wanted to mention. One of his lines is "Do you know that its not in porn?!" I found this really weird. While its not a typical category, the foreskin is well represented in all forms of porn. I actually think that in porn there are more intact penises than in typical life

This is weird for a number of reasons. Most importantly, do circumcised men not even recognize what an complete penis looks like? Foreskins seem to exist in porn more frequently than in real life, even if you are in a place where they are common.

Also, if foreskin is so common in porn, again compared to real life, those foreskins must be doing something special that the women like.
 
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When the subject has come up with my lady friends, they all have said that they prefer cut guys and that uncut dicks are "gross" and most say they would circumcise their kids. I think my generation (Gen X) was still heavily cut, so I guess it makes sense that I would here that from them. Regardless I still wish I was left uncut even when I hear ignorant opinions like this.
 
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I think it’s fucking repulsive that women have a say either directly or indirectly on the topic.

Especially considering it’s usually aesthetic.
 
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When the subject has come up with my lady friends, they all have said that they prefer cut guys and that uncut dicks are "gross" and most say they would circumcise their kids. I think my generation (Gen X) was still heavily cut, so I guess it makes sense that I would here that from them. Regardless I still wish I was left uncut even when I hear ignorant opinions like this.
Calling these "ignorant opinions" when the subject is by and large an aesthetic (from the perspective of women) doesn't make much sense to me. This is a subjective, not objective, issue. People like what pleases them, and it doesn't matter how they came to that decision.
 
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Calling these "ignorant opinions" when the subject is by and large an aesthetic (from the perspective of women) doesn't make much sense to me. This is a subjective, not objective, issue. People like what pleases them, and it doesn't matter how they came to that decision.
True but when a mother chooses circumcision at birth over being natural because she thinks uncut is gross or aesthetically pleasing....

That’s an ignorant option.
 

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True but when a mother chooses circumcision at birth over being natural because she thinks uncut is gross or aesthetically pleasing....

That’s an ignorant option.
That wasn't the context of either the post to which I quoted/responded, or my reply to it.
 

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When the subject has come up with my lady friends, they all have said that they prefer cut guys and that uncut dicks are "gross" and most say they would circumcise their kids. I think my generation (Gen X) was still heavily cut, so I guess it makes sense that I would here that from them. Regardless I still wish I was left uncut even when I hear ignorant opinions like this.

This seems weird to me. The opposite has been my experience. It seems like all guys who have been cut say that all women tell them that they prefer cut. Those that are intact say that all women tell them they prefer intact. Either we aren't being honest about what we've been told, or women aren't being honest some amount of the time. Maybe women are just being nice and saying they prefer whatever you have because that's what you do when you're having sex with someone. If I'm sleeping with a woman and she has some attribute that maybe stands out and she asks me about that attribute, I'm not going to tell her "No, I don't really like that" unless I want to offend her and stop having sex immediately.
 

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This seems weird to me. The opposite has been my experience. It seems like all guys who have been cut say that all women tell them that they prefer cut. Those that are intact say that all women tell them they prefer intact. Either we aren't being honest about what we've been told, or women aren't being honest some amount of the time. Maybe women are just being nice and saying they prefer whatever you have because that's what you do when you're having sex with someone. If I'm sleeping with a woman and she has some attribute that maybe stands out and she asks me about that attribute, I'm not going to tell her "No, I don't really like that" unless I want to offend her and stop having sex immediately.

I've always assumed women's positive comments were simply fluffing me up to get at my bits for their own pleasures. Enjoy the praise, but don't believe them for a second. Turns out some of what they've told me were actually true, so now I've no clue. I think perhaps women are just horny & want to get it on, regardless of foreskin status.
 

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to RIC guys:
You may have grown up thinking you were normal, but those left uncut in majoprity cut AND with all the baby books and sex books saying how cut was superior, no cancer etc, you find uncuts fighting back to defend their foreskin and try to counter the pro=circ arguments (many of which were highly exagerated to promote circ).

The uncuts fought back and created the anti-circ movement which is guilty of the same thing and the pro-circers in the 50s and 60s: exagerating facts to support their side. Smegma is a natural lubricant... really? It's dead and decomposing skin. Do you really want your foreskin to ask as a composting bin? Phimosis is normal... really? A long foreskinned guy who masturbates without retracting foreksin (likely because it is tight) loses out on a LOT of stimulation of the glans and coronna being stimulated and inner 4skin being stimulated.

Parents believing the anti circers to never try to pull back their son's foresiin? Best way to ensure he ends up with undully lonfg and phimotic foreskin. The proper, original recommendation was to never FORCE foreskin back but gently retract to wash what you could expose (which progressively helps loosen adhesions and foreskin to achieve full retraction as soon as possible,

What has happened is that the exagerations of the pro-circ era are gone now replaced by exageratiosn of the anti-circers designed to make cut guys feel mutilated, inferior. (I guess some "payback" for how uncutrs were made to feel as they grew up).

To some RIC guys, the anti-circ messages have no effect, and to others they do and the later feel bad about having been mutilated and because of exagerated advantages of foreksin, they set out to restore.
Yes yes....both sides totally exaggerate claims....now believe it or not there are some pros and cons to each side...but those are minor to anyone not obsessed with the issue
 
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Yes yes....both sides totally exaggerate claims....now believe it or not there are some pros and cons to each side...but those are minor to anyone not obsessed with the issue
Until it’s the persons choice, pros and cons don’t matter.
 
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Except in the opinion of all the people that disagree with you. On this website that seems to be the majority of people.
Not sure I agree...I am actually petty neutral in circumcision...and can see merit in both sides

However I noticed the pro circ folks are like...eh I prefer it

The pro foreskin people...are like super militant and angry.....like its a human rights violations in par with apartide

Even in here...uncut guys are louder and prouder......they jump all over any circ related threads

Notice few if any circumcised fella have screen names....cutTim.....or smegmafreeALEX

Or have political messages in thumbnail
 
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Typing out a comedians jokes always reflects poorly on them. I don't think he's an asshole, I think he's very funny and probably a pretty nice guy. He was trying to make an audience laughed and it worked. He was also making those jokes in the UK, to an audience which, as far as the males are concerned, are less likely to have been circumcised.
Good point...