Just a few tips for the trans Lovers/Friends Of LPSG

[MizzSummers]

Herrow ^.^

My name is Savannah and I am a 28 year old trans woman, former adult entertainer, and a trans activist in Canada. I have noticed that the lpsg community is actually very pro trans but sometimes the guys here are fed a bit too much trans idealism through porn that kinda makes them have very diluted views on what being trans is. So I thought i would help all you guys out and just give you some info so it might help you broaden your views on trans, understand it a bit better and maybe help you finally meet a trans woman! This Obvi isn't just for the people attracted to trans women, this is for everyone ^.^ Just here to help!

1. Please stop comparing trans women to famous porn actresses. Expecting all trans women to look like porn stars is like expecting all women to look like Jenna Jameson ( prior to the freaky plastic surgery. LOL). its an unreal expectation. Trans women come in all shapes and sizes, some are passable, some aren't, some have giant fake boobs, most have natural small boobs brought on by estrogen pills! Expecting all trans women to have big fake boobs, a fake ass and enough face work to make Cher jelly is kinda silly A womans worth isn't based on the amount of plastic surgeries she has

2. The porn thing brings me to the next thing. There are many word in the world that are considered offensive to certain demographics and shouldn't be used. The "N" word for Black people, the F*G word for Homosexuals, etc etc etc. With Trans women there are certain words that were created by the Adult industry to market and dehumanize trans women. These words, although reclaimed by some trans women, are considered highly offensive. If you are wanting to befriend, talk or even bone a trans woman never call them trans, trans, Ladyboi, HeShe or Chick with a dick. Your more likely to get a good old fashioned "That's So Raven" side eye then get laid when using those! Just be respectful. The terms that are generally ok are trans and tgirl. WE generally prefer you call us by our names and not our gender. LOL

3. Trans people have been around since the dawn of time. In native american cultures long before Jesus roamed this earth, many people were trans and called two spirited. These people where considered high ranking people in tribes and were often married to Men (or women depending on their preference). Here is a cool article about trans people throughout the different times! Check it out!!
Transgender History: Trans Expression in Ancient Times | The Bilerico Project

4, That brings me to the next thing. Men who like trans women are not in the slightest bit gay. Most aren't even Bi. They are very much straight. there have been quite a few studies on Men who are into trans women as of late. Basically it boils down to this.. trans women.. are women. Men who like them are attracted to the femininity of them and are open minded enough to get past the junk in the front. LOL.

5. DON'T BE TRANSPHOBIC! Wait? Oh you like trans women.. or you don't have anything against them? Your a huge lgbt supporter? AWESOME! So why do you shame men who are into trans women into feeling they are less of a man for being into trans women? WHOA! bet you didn't know that's considered trans-phobia! A recent study showed that searching for trans porn is one of the top searched porn types for heterosexual men! So its very much normal. Societies views on men who like trans women hasn't really changed since the 1950's. Men feel the need to hide their attraction to trans women in the closet and keep it a deep dark secret. Stop trans shaming men or it will never get any better. ^.^ And believe it or not a lot of the trans shaming comes from women who are all like " Oh mike is dating jen, did you know she is trans! Does that make Mike Gay. OMG that nasty"
really girl? What are you 12? SHOW SOME LOVE!

Anyways that's a bit of my two cents! LOL. If you have any questions let me know ^.^ I will prolly add more stuff in the future but this is a lot to read already!

 

[MizzSummers]

I'm incredibly attracted to trans men. I find something so masculine in the guys I have cammed with and frankly it is flattering as hell to connect and show off. Of course I would love to actually play but it is hard meeting trans guys for RT which I understand, given how crappy some dudes are. I love working to make any man happy and comfortable during sex and the ways in which trans men are unique is something I enjoy and hope to explore at his leisure and comfort. And get him all over me as well. Love chatting and sharing fantasies and offering support. Or with other gay men who are like me.

Hello <3

Believe it or not but its actually super common for gay men to like trans men. Just like how (even though our friend from above doesn't agree) Lesbian women to like trans women. The amount of free drinks i have had purchased for me from lesbians is proof of this. And its because of the same reasons Most Heterosexual men and women like trans people.

Doctors believe it's actually because most transsexual men and women tend to be Hyper masculine or feminine, not all but the majority. And for your instance as a homosexual man you in general would be attracted to well.. masculinity. . Keep in mind this isn't everyone, but its a lot more common then most think. And with that Hyper masculine, or feminine energy, the genitals take a backseat, or become almost like a Sexy juxtaposition and it arouses people more.. all like.. One of these things is not like the other.. BUT I LIKE IT!

Inst sexuality cool and weird at the same time!
YAY

xox

Savvy

 

[MizzSummers]

I went through the thread and didn't see this question. How do you even meet a trans girl? As far as I know there's a hell of a lot of trans prostitution going on. Is it super common for them to go into the "escort" industry? I like tgirls and I'd love to meet one. I haven't attempted to solicit an escort but over the years it has been a tempting idea because I just don't see any other way to meet one!

As far as the straight guys thing goes, I'm a straight guy. To me, men are ugly as fuck. Literally everything about a man is completely 100% hideous except for the penis which is OK I suppose. Though if it's attached to a woman that takes it up a few notches. I love anal play on myself, love to stick big ol' toys up there. I have wished that I was gay, just so I could receive the anal pleasure that I desire. But, try as I might I am utterly disgusted by the male body and I'm just not gay. A woman with a dildo is a good scenario of course. But oh how I wish to experience being fucked! Plus I just like tgirls because they are sexy and they have a part that I can relate to. I know what they are feeling.

Well Welcome to The Human Sexual Scale. lol. Your feelings are actually super common and yes you are straight. Men that are attracted to trans women are heterosexual. And there are a lot of men that are into it ( my tinder is a good example where I receive over 60 messages a day) its just Catholicism put a big restriction on sexuality and made us all feel guilty and dirty for being.. well humans.

As for finding us, well thats where it gets tricky as we are fetishized and try to avoid men who just want us for another "experience" as men often forget we are people. So it gets tiring. Some places you may run into a trans woman is at your local pride center. You could go start volunteering there once or twice a week. And you are bound to find someone. A lot of communities have trans based support groups that often have outings, if you kinda look through them you might be able to find out where they frequent and maybe go be a gentlemen to them. You could check out your local gay club circuit, as most cities with a gay scene usually have a bar most trans women frequent in order to feel safe. If you are just looking for sex look into craigslist. There is often a few trans women on there, or very passable crossdressers that you could have th experience with. Just make sure to be safe!

Feel free to IM me and i can maybe help you out by researching your local area

 

[MizzSummers]

Thanks though for relaying the information

oh no problem. i hope i didn't come off condescending as that's the opposite of what I am trying to do. LOL. Just trying to help )

 

[deleted299888]

Bless your heart for this thread.

 

[MizzSummers]

I think its my turn to ask some of you some questions.

So to all my trans attracted friends I do have a few questions:

1.When did you realize you were attracted to trans people? Was it something that kinda was always there, or was there like an "AH Ha" moment?
2. Have you ever actually been with a Trans person? (no need for the Gorey Details, just curios)
3. Are you out and open about your attraction? I am a ware that there is still stigma for trans attracted men/women.
4. Would you consider dating a trans person long term/ marrying them?
5. Has this Forum helped at all? Ant Feedback?

Look forward to hearing from you ♥♥

 

[tagish_charlie]

Hello <3

Believe it or not but its actually super common for gay men to like trans men. Just like how (even though our friend from above doesn't agree) Lesbian women to like trans women. The amount of free drinks i have had purchased for me from lesbians is proof of this. And its because of the same reasons Most Heterosexual men and women like trans people.

Doctors believe it's actually because most transsexual men and women tend to be Hyper masculine or feminine, not all but the majority. And for your instance as a homosexual man you in general would be attracted to well.. masculinity. . Keep in mind this isn't everyone, but its a lot more common then most think. And with that Hyper masculine, or feminine energy, the genitals take a backseat, or become almost like a Sexy juxtaposition and it arouses people more.. all like.. One of these things is not like the other.. BUT I LIKE IT!

Inst sexuality cool and weird at the same time!
YAY

xox

Savvy

I agree with you 100% Miz Summers. I am a fellow Canadian and my women of choice are transgender. A lot of that attraction is based on their femininity. I'm an old fashioned guy who still pays for dinner and opens doors. I worship women and the feminine is what I adore. TGirls are the most feminine women I have met. I am truly blessed to have met a few and am a better person thanks to them.

 

[MizzSummers]

I love and adore transwomen and I'm Bisexual

Well obviously there are bisexual people who like trans women. But generally saying the majority of men who are into trans women are considered heterosexual as they are not into men at all! )

 

[MizzSummers]

Hi MizzS---I consider myself bisexual, am attracted to both sexes, and enjoy sex with both men and women. But, I have a different question for you. Do you believe that TS women (in general) have a better understanding or appreciation for pleasing a man emotionally and sexually than gen-women? My one relationship with a TS woman, which was a very positive experience, supported this generalization. But it was only one experience. Thoughts?

Well i thinks that's a generalization once again brought on by the pornographic community. Oh they used to be a man so they know how to please a man. I legit have seen that marketed in porn. LOL. That kinda logic would mean that all the men I have had sex with should be AMAZING in bed. And sadly a lot haven't been.

What it really boils down to is that some trans women are gonna be amazing is bed and some are gonna be shitty, just like you guys. Some trans women are gonna be fun cool girlfriends , some are gonna be uptight superficial bitched who think they deserve the world for nothing. I think sex is something that is learned through experience, not gender or physical traits. And dating and understanding ones partner to an extent comes from that specific person.

Some trans women i have known have lost a lot of their sex drive from hormone replacement, where others have had their libido increase. Some trans women like their penis being touches, others prefer it not. Some trans women don't like anal, others love it. Some trans women are huge sluts and sleep with everyone, some are uptight bitches. I dont think sex with a person should be the only reason you are wanting to be or date with that person My main point is sex/dating with a whole demographic of people can't be narrowed into the same box.

 

[MizzSummers]

Wait a second. I realise this thread is old, and also there's good intentions here, but porn " dilutes" peoples ideas of trans girls?.So what are we saying here?.Trans women and self identified she males are really diluted/ impure versions of "real" trans women?.

I think you have to be a bit careful where all this stuff is going. There's an intolerant side to political correctness, and a whole issue of exclusion/ gate keeping you're not going into here, ie. WHO decides who is a "real" trans person ( often not us but the medical profession and Benjamin's WPath)!?.

I know people can't run before they walk, but someone should talk about the other side too. The sanctioned way to transition excludes whole categories of people- "she males", autogynephiles, gender neutral etc.In the case of the first to, there is a DEsexualisation, as bad as the hyper sexualization.

We can't patronise trans people in those communities by saying they are all forced into those roles.We need access to advice, hormones and surgery- plus acceptance of ALL types of trans and gender people both in the cis and trans communities.

I am not quite sure what you are getting at. what I am saying is that men tend to assume we are all sluts that are just put onto this earth to full fill their fetish fantasies and we often get treated like sex workers in real life because of it.

And as someone who does advocacy work for all type of gender non conforming roles, the term trans is not one of them. That term was created to market sex workers and it basically has the same equivalency as calling a trans woman a Hooker or a Slut. Also in the gender spectrum that isn't listed. So there are no people who identify as " trans's" and generally that term is used by porn or by fetish Cross dressers who like the sexuality of the word. And out of the thousands of tran women I have met from all over the world, not one has ever Identified as a "trans".

So here is the Wikipedia link regarding the Term. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/trans

As for me or anyone else in the forum forcing people into roles they are not intended for , I would never do that. I work with a broad spectrum of gendered people, from Cis, to fluid, to trans to Non Binary. I would never ever assume someones Gender. Also Trans is an umbrella term, short for trans-gendered, that covers a broad spectrum of gender identity. So saying someone is trans is literally saying they are part of the community. I have also mentioned in past posts that Peoples medication is none of anyones business, You don't need giant breasts and a bunch of plastic surgery to be trans and i have also told guys to not compare us to hyper sexualized women.. So I am not to sure what you are getting at.

This Forum is about answering questions, and that has been what has been happening. .

xox

Savvy

 

[MizzSummers]

Try tell that to the lesbians!!

I just told my lesbian best friend. She looked at me like " Why are you telling me this" and then said "I know".

I believe there are lesbian women that do not know all about the diversity of the sexual world, just like how there are gay men, and straight men and straight women. So them not knowing this doesn't mean its not true. Just like how some cisgender people who aren't trans attracted assume that trans attracted men are gay because all they are considering is the genitals.

This is a common misconception alot of uneducated (on the topic) people have. But thats why its good to correct people. And if they choose to ignore you, then that is on their ignorant ass. lol. I alsways tell the haters " OK have fun with your outdated views I am just focusing on the future"


xox

Savvy

 

[1233166]

I think its my turn to ask some of you some questions.

So to all my trans attracted friends I do have a few questions:

1.When did you realize you were attracted to trans people? Was it something that kinda was always there, or was there like an "AH Ha" moment?
2. Have you ever actually been with a Trans person? (no need for the Gorey Details, just curios)
3. Are you out and open about your attraction? I am a ware that there is still stigma for trans attracted men/women.
4. Would you consider dating a trans person long term/ marrying them?
5. Has this Forum helped at all? Ant Feedback?

Look forward to hearing from you ♥♥

Since you have been so gracious to answer all the questions posed to you, I thought it only fair that I answer the ones you asked:

1.When did you realize you were attracted to trans people? Was it something that kinda was always there, or was there like an "AH Ha" moment? I had an interest since my mid 20's (all due to porn) and in the last,probably, 5 years became very interested in transgirls
2. Have you ever actually been with a Trans person? (no need for the Gorey Details, just curios) I have not. I did have the opportunity to watch a transgirl and my ex-gf have sex on a few occasions
3. Are you out and open about your attraction? I am a ware that there is still stigma for trans attracted men/women. I am open in certain circles. The vast majority of my friends are very active in the local swinger community, and being so are very non-judgmental about such topics. I also openly speak about it in my podcast.
4. Would you consider dating a trans person long term/ marrying them? I am very open to the idea.
5. Has this Forum helped at all? Ant Feedback? This thread has been super educational. I am hoping to learn even more.

 

[RodCrimson8]

Thanks though for relaying the information

 

[RodCrimson8]

No, I took it as someone just wanting to let people know common misconceptions people have about you and others. I understand and appreciate the information

 

[MizzSummers]

MizzS--Thank you for your response. I enjoyed the exchange. Gave me some things to think about. Peace.

I am glad you like the exchange. I did notice a typo though i meant to say " sex shouldn't be the only reason you date someone" lol

I feel that even though this is a sex driven site sometimes some real life advice may help many of the guys when it comes to dating or meeting trans women ^.^

 

[Kassokilleri2ff]

I went through the thread and didn't see this question. How do you even meet a trans girl? As far as I know there's a hell of a lot of trans prostitution going on. Is it super common for them to go into the "escort" industry? I like tgirls and I'd love to meet one. I haven't attempted to solicit an escort but over the years it has been a tempting idea because I just don't see any other way to meet one!

As far as the straight guys thing goes, I'm a straight guy. To me, men are ugly as fuck. Literally everything about a man is completely 100% hideous except for the penis which is OK I suppose. Though if it's attached to a woman that takes it up a few notches. I love anal play on myself, love to stick big ol' toys up there. I have wished that I was gay, just so I could receive the anal pleasure that I desire. But, try as I might I am utterly disgusted by the male body and I'm just not gay. A woman with a dildo is a good scenario of course. But oh how I wish to experience being fucked! Plus I just like tgirls because they are sexy and they have a part that I can relate to. I know what they are feeling.

 

[desilover]

I want to date a TS woman, but then i'm mostly a bottom. and when i get fucked i love the feeling on my prostate, and sometimes come if the top has a big/long cock. would it be a turn off in relationships, or just cute, orwhat? lol

 

[MizzSummers]

Yes actually there is a question.

If a Trans woman and a straight guy have sex then it is considered straight sex, even though there are 2 cocks involved.

If a trans woman and another trans woman have sex, now you have two woman having sex, so it would be considered lesbian sex, but with 2 cocks??

You actually have it completely right. Sexuality is different then gender. And genitals don't equate to gender. So men having sex with trans women is considered heterosexual sex becuase it's between and man and a woman . And trans lesbians having sex together is still lesbian sex as its between two women.

You answered your own question.

Xox
Savvy

 

[1263126]

I think its my turn to ask some of you some questions.

So to all my trans attracted friends I do have a few questions:

1.When did you realize you were attracted to trans people? Was it something that kinda was always there, or was there like an "AH Ha" moment?
2. Have you ever actually been with a Trans person? (no need for the Gorey Details, just curios)
3. Are you out and open about your attraction? I am a ware that there is still stigma for trans attracted men/women.
4. Would you consider dating a trans person long term/ marrying them?
5. Has this Forum helped at all? Ant Feedback?

Look forward to hearing from you ♥♥

Okay, I realize that you posted these question like a year ago, but I'll answer anyway.

1) A few years ago. I don't think that it was always there. One day when looking at porn I watched a hot scene with a tgirl and that was probably my moment of "Ah, ha, this tgirl is so fucking hot."
2) Not yet.
3) Not out.
4) Dating long term, yes. Marry, I really don't know at this point.
5) Yes, it has helped. Thanks a bunch, Mizz Summers.

 

[tagish_charlie]

I think its my turn to ask some of you some questions.

So to all my trans attracted friends I do have a few questions:

1.When did you realize you were attracted to trans people? Was it something that kinda was always there, or was there like an "AH Ha" moment? I have always been open minded with a high sex drive so I went to a "trans" (that's the word the promoter used) Strip Club about 15/16 years ago. I was floored by the beauty on display but too nervous to even speak with 1 of the ladies. The host introduced herself to me in very close proximity and I found myself getting quite aroused. I'm sure she noticed because of the way she smiled at me as she walked away. In retrospect I think she knew I had just been converted. I began attending the club quite often partaking of the Ladies and getting to know some of them on a more personal level.I found the Ladies were no different than any other woman and I really enjoyed their company. I met some wonderful women through that club and they taught me a lot about being a better person. I was drawn by the Ladies sexuality and the thrill of something different and exciting but have never looked back because of the Ladies I met and got to know. They were some of the most beautiful people I ever met. Not just physically but spiritually as well.
2. Have you ever actually been with a Trans person? (no need for the Gorey Details, just curios) Yes I have. Transgender are my women of choice
3. Are you out and open about your attraction? I am a ware that there is still stigma for trans attracted men/women. I don't broadcast it but I am not embarrassed or shy about it. I go to dinner, concerts, theater, shopping etc. with a TGIrl date. People look and I'm sure whisper but that doesn't bother me because more often than not I am with the most beautiful woman in the room (inside and out) and everyone else wishes they were me. And if she is not the prettiest girl she is definitely, hands down, the most feminine. TLadies are true ladies in every aspect. I think its because they are always conscious of the fact they are ladies and work harder at it than GGs.
4. Would you consider dating a trans person long term/ marrying them? Yes on both counts. I have dated and would marry the right girl if I meet her and she will have me.
5. Has this Forum helped at all? Ant Feedback? Yes it has. Like every other Trans Lady I have met, spoken to, or more importantly, listened to, you have educated me and helped me understand things just a little bit better than I did before I read your insights. Trans are women with all the emotional baggage and mood swings most women come with, Gentlemen this is your destiny!!!!

Look forward to hearing from you ♥♥