Made for women - What does this mean to you?

[Kotchanski]

Every porn thread asking our opinions ends up involving the term "made for women" at some point, but what does this mean to you?

We make such a big song and dance about how we're all individual, with our opinion thoughts and opinions, yet we fall back on terms that lump us all into one.

Maybe it frustrates me because I don't understand what it is meant to mean. Maybe it annoys me because I'm tired of seeing "made for women, by women" on products I don't want to bloody buy... So help me out here, what does it really mean to you?

 

[HiddenLacey]

Hmmm... a few of the porn sites I visit have sections of porn that are approved by women, suggested by women, porn for women...

I hate around 95% of the porn found in those sections. I'm not quite sure what woman is picking, choosing, approving these videos, but whomever she is, she's nothing like me.

The producers of porn don't seem to have a clue that the population all wants something different and varied.

When I see the words made for women, I think to myself, it's made based on someone's ideas of what women want... but it's not what ALL women want, because we are all different.

 

[Kotchanski]

Oh I've seen those sections, and they always leave me feeling like there's some bloke in the backroom somewhere watching porn all day and anything softer, nicer and more "fluffy" he thinks to himself "That did fuck all for me, must be made for women" and moves it!

 

[HiddenLacey]

I hate porn music, dialog/ stories, bedding covered in flowers... pretty much everything people do to try to make porn softer. I'm so sick of seeing extremely girlish (of age of course) women in towering heels and el cheapo lingerie strutting across one ugly tile floor after another, fucking some guy without a head on a cheap vinyl/ leather couch, screaming out her orgasm fakery. I just want to walk into the scene and slap her until she shuts up. :redface:

I want to see a hot, fit guy fucking a woman up against a wall like he just wants to eat her alive. I wanna watch him lick the sweat from her body. I want him to WANT her, not just fuck her for the camera. In turn I want to see that she's into the guy the same way. I want her to fumble and rip his clothes off.

Sigh, I'm burnt out on porn and going off topic.

There is no such thing as porn for women. I can only give opinions on porn for this woman.

 

[petite]

I would assume that the phrase refers to porn created and marketed with a female audience in mind.

Obviously I don't like all porn "made for women" but I never assumed that is what it is supposed to mean, that it's what I'm supposed to like. Just because a movie was filmed with the intention of appealing to women doesn't mean that it represents all women, any more than a gay male porn "made for gay men" in mind doesn't mean that all gay men like it or that I can't enjoy it (and I do!)

"Made for women" does describe a difference from porn "made for men."

One of the biggest differences would be that instead of just the female actors on the cover, the cover would feature the male actors. If you select the gallery view on James Deen's Adult Film Database page, for one example, he doesn't appear on the cover of 99% of these movies. The reason is that the makers of these movies did not consider the appearance of the men to be important. When looking for a movie, I want to know if I would find the men attractive, and if film makers wanted to market a movie towards me, a mostly straight woman, they would put James Deen on the covers of the movies he appears in!

Those choices also affect how films are directed. One constant I have noticed is that in a lot of straight porn, the man doesn't touch the woman's body during sex very much. There are many long scenes where they are only connected via his penis. The reason is that the director doesn't want the man's hands to interfere with the view of a woman's body, I suppose because men would rather look at the woman's body instead of a man's hands, which makes sense. When I view straight porn, I imagine that I'm the woman in the scene. I love being touched and caressed, so I'm turned on when I watch a man caress a woman's body. It's one of the reasons why I enjoy James Deen's stuff. He uses his hands. I dislike porn when the man doesn't touch the woman, where they're only connected together by his penis. I think that's the reason why a lot of sex scenes from R rated movies turn me on more than a lot of porn. The directors focus on physical touch, even using the actors own bodies to hide their naughty bits, a no-no in most porn movies, but much more realistic when it comes to the way real couples actually have sex.

That's not to say that I don't also enjoy some focus on close-up shots, but I've seen some that look like the cameraman propped the camera up there, then went on a coffee break. I think I prefer close shots inter-cut with other angles.

I also want to see more of the man's body, especially if he's hot, which is one reason why I also enjoy gay porn. In a lot of straight porn, the focus is almost entirely upon the woman's body with as little attention given to the male actor as possible. A lot of the cum shots focus on the man's penis and the woman's face and body at the same time. I like the man's penis and the man's face (yay gay porn!)

These are just some of my observations.

 

[petite]

I want to see a hot, fit guy fucking a woman up against a wall like he just wants to eat her alive. I wanna watch him lick the sweat from her body. I want him to WANT her, not just fuck her for the camera. In turn I want to see that she's into the guy the same way. I want her to fumble and rip his clothes off.

Me too!

You ought to check out a few James Deen Tumblrs. :naughty:

 

[Kotchanski]

Sorry Petite, I read your post as being the perfect example of why it annoys me.

You say you understand it as having been directed and marketed with a female audience in mind, but you don't feel it is what you're expected to like... This confuses the hell out of me. If someone is directing something, and marketing it specifically at a group I happen to be a part of, then the content is surely what they expect me to like/want?

You don't see "made for straight men" or "made for gay men" printed on shit, they can look at the screenshots, the covers, who is in it and determine for themselves if it is something for them. So why do I have to have things specifically labelled as being made for me, by people like me? What the fuck makes them think they have the first idea of what I want?

If feels very much like an advisory this: This is safe for you to watch, even though you're a girl.

I find the entire thing insulting on so many levels, and I'd hoped there was some secret I wasn't aware of that explained the whole thing and made it less patronizing, but apparently, I was wrong.

 

[HiddenLacey]

Me too!

You ought to check out a few James Deen Tumblrs. :naughty:

Lol, you mean things like this...

http://i.imgur.com/zbVQn.gif


I have a really good one of him that I can't get to load, he's licking a woman in a business suit... it makes me purr.

 

[D_Kitten_Kaboodle]

I have no idea what "made for women" means... not sure the folks that put that out threre really do either.

I watch porn, but not a lot, because I find most porn boring. By that I mean... seen one, you've seen 'em all pretty much the same thing.

extremely girlish (of age of course) women in towering heels and el cheapo lingerie strutting across one ugly tile floor after another, fucking some guy without a head on a cheap vinyl/ leather couch, screaming out her orgasm fakery.

^This...

And the women looking directly into the camera and speaking to "it".
It all seems way too fake... way too scripted... nothing natural or hot at all...

The ones I do enjoy (temporarily) are like Laidy said where they guy is really into the girl and the girl is really into the guy and there seems to be a bit more there than people fucking for the sake of a dollar.

"Made for Women"
"Made for Gay"
"Made for Straight"

no they may not have these labels but porn is directed to certain audiences... I'd think the same few guy(s) are producing all of the above and just changing the actors in the scenes to accommodate those groups of people without really considering what turns folks on... Yes, we are individuals but individuals create groups and the industry caters to the largest group of consumers...

 

[MickeyLee]

in lesbian porn "made for women" means there are actual lesbians present.
not straight girls making out for dudes :wink:

i think the main difference is vibe... in women friendly porn.. the female performer isn't a Slot B. her sexuality, and pleasure, is featured as much as the male performer? *eta: this is my personal definition of what "women's porn" would be. not what marketing departments mean by "made for women"*

i watch mostly gay porn.
mostly man on man.
fuzzy man on fuzzy man.
woof!!

Lol, you mean things like this...

http://i.imgur.com/zbVQn.gif


I have a really good one of him that I can't get to load, he's licking a woman in a business suit... it makes me purr.

*giggles* he's so little.
*smish hugs James Deen*

i kinda like the idea of a porn dude i can pick and carry around
:biglaugh:

 

[HiddenLacey]

^^^

That is the same issue I have with him. However, he's pretty much always paired with a spinner so I don't notice his size as much.

Some of his scenes are *fan* worthy, but I prefer, big hairy dudes, with big man hands.

 

[petite]

You say you understand it as having been directed and marketed with a female audience in mind, but you don't feel it is what you're expected to like... This confuses the hell out of me. If someone is directing something, and marketing it specifically at a group I happen to be a part of, then the content is surely what they expect me to like/want?

It's what someone thought you would like. I happen to agree with Fancy that they get it wrong most of the time, but I'm not offended by any attempt to appeal to me as a woman. In fact, I feel the opposite way. I wish that they would do a much better job of appealing to me, a straight woman.

They don't print "made for men" because that is assumed, and if you're offended by the notion that some porn is made for women, are you equally as offended that they don't even bother to put the male actor anywhere on the cover because they don't think women would be watching it, so an appeal to her desires is ignored? It's the same concept. Just because they don't print "made for men" on the box doesn't mean that it was't actually made "for" men. Not putting any men on the cover of straight porn means that I can't even tell if it would appeal to me.

Now, this article's title will probably annoy you, too, since it isn't about what all women want, but it is about how the porn industry is ignoring women as an audience. It's about how James Deen has developed a following of his own among women, yet despite the interest in him, porn companies still aren't putting him on the cover of the movies he's in. I feel like women are mostly being ignored and even if "made for women" movies don't appeal to me in particular, at least they're trying.

If feels very much like an advisory this: This is safe for you to watch, even though you're a girl.

I don't get that. I think porn companies would be delighted if women bought all their films, no matter what they say on the cover. I believe their primary motivation is money. I don't think there's any agenda to keep women from buying any porn, there's just an assumption that we don't watch it.

I have no idea what "made for women" means... not sure the folks that put that out threre really do either.

*snip*

no they may not have these labels but porn is directed to certain audiences... I'd think the same few guy(s) are producing all of the above and just changing the actors in the scenes to accommodate those groups of people without really considering what turns folks on... Yes, we are individuals but individuals create groups and the industry caters to the largest group of consumers...

I agree with you. I think the porn industry isn't doing a very good job of addressing a wider variety of female interests.

 

[Kotchanski]

It's what someone thought you would like. I happen to agree with Fancy that they get it wrong most of the time, but I'm not offended by any attempt to appeal to me as a woman. In fact, I feel the opposite way. I wish that they would do a much better job of appealing to me, a straight woman.

They don't print "made for men" because that is assumed, and if you're offended by the notion that some porn is made for women, are you equally as offended that they don't even bother to put the male actor anywhere on the cover because they don't think women would be watching it, so an appeal to her desires is ignored? It's the same concept. Just because they don't print "made for men" on the box doesn't mean that it was't actually made "for" men. Not putting any men on the cover of straight porn means that I can't even tell if it would appeal to me.

Honestly, the whole porn cover this isn't something I've ever considered, at least not until you raised it. The internet (at least where I frequent) doesn't come with covers, it comes with at least 12 screenshots from various points within the movie... Side note: Movie sounds really weird in this context. It is the assumptions you speak of that offend me, I am offended by the assumption that women aren't partaking of the mainstream and offended at the assumption that I require my own labelled genre.

Having thought of covers, and actually wandering off to view some, yes, I find it offensive, not on a personal level because the ones I'd watch actually depict what I'd need to see to make my decision, but I am offended that those who would watch them aren't being considered when it comes to designing the cover.

Now, this article's title will probably annoy you, too, since it isn't about what all women want, but it is about how the porn industry is ignoring women as an audience. It's about how James Deen has developed a following of his own among women, yet despite the interest in him, porn companies still aren't putting him on the cover of the movies he's in. I feel like women are mostly being ignored and even if "made for women" movies don't appeal to me in particular, at least they're trying.

I agree that on the whole we are being ignored, there'll certainly be no argument from me on that front, and I've already addressed the cover issue above. I maintain that I am entitled to feel offended if something is being labelled as "for women" when not even once have I found one of these that appeals to me. As a woman, something "for women" should at least sometimes be for me... It's not like I'm watching gay porn!

I don't get that. I think porn companies would be delighted if women bought all their films, no matter what they say on the cover. I believe their primary motivation is money. I don't think there's any agenda to keep women from buying any porn, there's just an assumption that we don't watch it.

Maybe I wasn't clear on that point lol

I wasn't suggesting they were trying to keep me/us away from other porn titles, it was the assumption that we don't watch other titles and require our own woman friendly label that offends.

We've been shamed into hiding our sexuality for such a long time, and I see this whole "made for women" thing as being a step in the wrong direction, coming at a time when we are finally starting to own our sexualities, standing up for our rights to sleep with whom ever we want, as often as we want, in what ever bloody positions we want without being labelled as sluts, whores or any of those other so lovely terms we've had to live with in the past.

I'll end my rant by sharing my feelings that it is completely misleading to many men, especially the younger ones out there, who all too often turn to porn to work things out. If porn were porn, without the "made for women" divide, they wouldn't be walking around with the assumption that "normal women" want this, and they want one of those dirty little sluts in the mainstream "made for men" variety.

 

[petite]

(I think we're on the same page now because we just had this conversation via PM, but I figured that I should also reply here.)

I think we're both talking about the same thing, but from different angles. We both have the same complaints about the same flaws in the industry, we both dislike the lack of attention given to what women really want, and we both want more "movies" made that show what we want and we're both frustated that it's so difficult for us to find them.

I don't mind that there are so many movies made for men. I can easily imagine that if I was a heterosexual man that I would want the screen filled up by the woman's face and her body, that I'd rather look at her than the man's hands, that cutting the man off at the waist or at the neck would make it easier for me to imagine that it was me fucking her. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, it's just not what I want to watch.

As a straight woman I find those scenes frustrating. I think the man who doesn't touch her while fucking her is a bad lay. Cutting off his head means that I can't see him looking into her eyes or the intensity on his face. I want the man included in the scenes, and I want him to look less like a giant bodybuilder and more like men that I have dated, muscular but not super muscular, and good-looking. I can see why those those things don't usually appear in films that are geared for a male audience, so I recognize the need for other films that address the other point of view, with the male actor as a major focus of the film instead of just the woman in the scene.

I balk, too, though, whenever anyone tells me what I'm supposed to like. I don't want someone else's tastes imposed upon me or to be boxed into a stereotype. Ideally everyone ought to be able to find good films in their niche that appeals to them regardless of their gender or orientation.

 

[LaFemme]

I thought this was going to be a thread on OB Tampons. Made for a woman, by a woman? Yeah, it didn't work for me.

I'll have to get back to you on the porn.