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Well, this was originally sent in the thread "Asians with Big Dicks", but it seems to be too long for it since there are more about pictures sharing. So I put it here, Try to rationly understand the whole problem.


I apologize for bringing up an old issue that is not much discussed anymore, the size of Asian tools, but there seem to be some factors that have been overlooked for a long time.

First, we need to define 'Asian' as it is generally used here, which usually includes China, Korea, Japan, and a number of Southeast Asian countries, and possibly Taiwan depending on political views.

Famine, malnutrition, and poor national economic development have been the most serious problems in these countries in the past five to six decades. This is more severe than the usual malnutrition or use of dairy products discussed. During the worst times, Chinese people even ate kaolin to fill their stomachs or tree bark, which of course had no nutrition and eventually killed them. This may be quite different from poverty as understood in most of the Western world. An exception in these countries worth mentioning is Thailand, Japan, and Taiwan. Although they were also affected by this malnutrition, it was not as severe compared to other countries. It is also worth noting that the malnutrition or deficiency discussed here is actually based on the intake of calories, proteins, micronutrients, etc., and is a comparison with the typical diet of the Caucasian world, where the most severe malnutrition and deficiency were in countries like China, which were sadly associated with Soviet communism.

As for how to understand this type of famine, whether it's the famine that once occurred in Ukraine or China, or actually in North Korea today, these are good typical examples. There may be degrees of difference, but the nature of their problems is similar, having abundant resources but serious food problems due to insufficient distribution by the bureaucratic system. Another perhaps more familiar example in the Western world, which some people may realize after reading a lot of material, is the famine caused in Germany by the blockade during World War I. Although different, some elderly people in rural Germany may still retain the practice of growing potatoes to prevent famine, as potatoes are a very easy plant to grow and are indeed very nutritious.

A typical Chinese diet, I'm talking about now, and I mean a normal diet that meets the minimum material needs of a family, is actually not complicated in terms of macronutrient calculation: 200 grams of rice or noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, equivalent to about 50 grams of carbohydrates per meal, 150 grams of carbs per day, mainly rice or noodles, 200 grams of meat per day is considered a lot, actually providing 50 grams of protein, and then no more than 40 grams of oil. This totals 1160 calories. As a reference, a standard diet should actually be around 2400 calories per day, even over 3000 for a more varied diet. The calculation of macronutrients is simple: 4 calories per gram for proteins and carbohydrates, and 9 calories per gram for fats. If necessary, you can verify this by entering your daily intake into cronometer.

Another data point related to living standards is that, according to official data from China in 2020, there are 600 million people with a monthly income of less than 1000 RMB (about 150 USD), including 220 million people with a monthly income of less than 500 RMB (about 75 USD). In China, the number of people with a monthly income of less than 2000 RMB (about 300 USD) reached 964 million. It should also be remembered that China has been known to manipulate its data, so these figures are likely beautified.

People don't think that when nutrition is insufficient, even with good genetic endowment, a person can grow very big. This actually explains a lot, especially considering the Asians who are in their forties and fifties now but were in their twenties and thirties when the thread started (06-08), i.e., the mainstream Asians seen at that time. Due to malnutrition, it's normal for them to be smaller than the global average. It might be a foot difference compared to the current world average of 5.5 inches; 4.5, and I'm being very generous with 4.5, considering my experience living in the north and visiting public baths. I thought about 3 feet, but those old people had lived through the Cultural Revolution or the Great Famine in China, hadn't they? This somewhat matches people's past personal experiences (sadly, yes, those Asians seen early in the thread, especially those with six or seven inches, might have had slightly better diets and environments, and could have grown an inch or more). Nutrition's impact on size can be understood as a shift to the left of the entire bell curve of penis size; if the curve goes from small to large from left to right, the curve has shifted left, so it seems that earlier Asians had a smaller average, but there were also larger ones.

As examples of how nutrition can impact human body size, I can cite two more cases. Medieval Europeans' heights can be reasonably inferred from the sizes of the armors found today, which suggest that Europeans, especially during the Middle Ages, were not taller than Easterners. I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe the inferred average height was around 1.5 meters. However, this has now reversed. Similarly, Dutch people have undergone a noticeable change in height over nearly 200 years due to increased intake of dairy products and proteins, reaching an average height of nearly 1.85 meters today. The influence of nutrition on physical development is much greater than we think, but it takes much longer than we might expect for an event to unfold.

I'm not trying to say that the earlier statements about Asians having smaller average sizes but also larger penises exist is without problems. There's an unintended malice in these statements. Yes, they're based on personal experiences, but those experiences only apply to the previous generation, the Asians who are now in their forties and fifties. Asian countries have undergone significant changes in the past three to four decades. Their economies have made their own achievements, so nutrition and living standards have changed a lot, although still relatively poor compared to the rich dietary life of the Western or Caucasian world. Because this was their past experience, it seemed reasonable to them, and it's the reason they unconsciously concluded that Asians are smaller. But extending this conclusion to all Asians, regardless of their growth environment and, intentionally or unintentionally, tracing it back to race, is problematic. Their real point is that they don't believe Asians can be large; they should first prove why they don't believe.

For those truly curious about the size of Asian tools, it may take some time before they see more, as the millennial generation has just grown up. Starting from this generation, it's possible to change the stereotype that Asians tend to be smaller and eliminate any interracial differences. I've heard from many of my Asian friends (specifically Chinese) that there's a lot of discussion about why the new generation seems to be significantly larger on average than their generation. Well, this is anecdotal evidence and may not prove much. But the disappearance of such gaps is always good, especially when these size differences actually reflect a country's development and the quality of people’s daily lives.

Some have mentioned research reports indicating that these interracial differences do exist, but these conclusions are based on specific samples. As I said, the previous generation is indeed a bit smaller, simply due to malnutrition and a horrific living environment. So, whatever report you look at, as long as the sample is based on people born before the 2000s, the data is more likely to be smaller. Everyone lives in a specific environment, but many surveys fail to consider this factor. For example, some American surveys overlook the harm done to homosexuals by homophobes during the Stonewall movement of the seventies and eighties, comparing masculinity between homosexual and heterosexual men.

Another important issue is the sexual shame of Asians. Asian culture not only avoids discussing sex but also views it as kind of taboo, much like pedophilia is taboo in the West. So yes, no matter what natural gifts an Asian man has, he's unlikely to be as openly confident about his masculinity as Caucasians. They consider it barbaric, shameful, and primitive, lacking in education. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that's the mainstream in Asian culture. Perhaps when you talk to Asian friends, they might say that's a thing of the past, but their subconscious is still influenced by culture.

So, when addressing this issue, the best response might be to post their own photos directly, but usually, they are reluctant to do so. Maybe it's just around the average, so posting it won't prove anything, but even if they are that large, they might not be interested in doing so. The cultural factors surrounding this issue are not as simple as a choice like Muslims not liking pork, but rather a complex, perhaps not so scientific or rigorous, collective subconscious-like thing. Caucasians generally don't have this problem because they've never been ashamed of sex, and if they're exceptionally endowed, they'd proudly display it. Such behavior would only invite severe criticism and social ostracism in Asian societies.

Regarding the issue of photos, there's another point worth discussing. I wonder if anyone has overlooked the elephant in the room: the full erection in Asians and Caucasians is different. Firstly, most Asians are growers, and the difference between their flaccid and erect conditions can be very impressive. On average, this change is more noticeable than in Caucasian growers. Secondly, possibly due to the aforementioned sexual shame or other subtle cultural reasons, many photos shown by Asians are only semi-erect (50%). A simple way to tell is that Asians are hard and upward when fully erect; when an Asian is about 75% erect, it no longer feels soft,

but many of the photos actually posted about Chinese are of commercial male models from China, and these commercial models' photos are mostly soft, maybe 50%, but definitely not over 75%. Therefore, many people might mistakenly think that these images represent their fully erect condition.

Additionally, there's another aspect that might venture into politically incorrect territory but is factual. Asian countries, especially East Asia (which often refers to China, Japan, and Korea, all parts of the Confucian cultural sphere), are very resistant to masculine traits. The Masculinity I mentioned demands bravery, self-expression, fighting for honor, etc., but in collectivist Asian countries, this is often seen as the biggest threat by rulers. So, even though every founding emperor or king was full of masculinity, knowing how they had rebelled, they also blocked the path they had taken, leading to a tendency towards demasculinization in Asian culture.

But we can understand this issue more simply. One might wonder how China could have such a vast territory with pre-information age technology. Rulers would go to great lengths to maintain their rule, plotting against their people and ruthlessly killing anyone who might try to rebel. This parallels our understanding of authoritarian regimes. A culture has long been formed: do not resist, conform, and abandon masculinity. Japan is an exception due to its samurai class, which changed Japanese society through coup d'états, so the perception of Japanese people is not as demasculinized.

I must point out that the masculinity I'm referring to is not about being alpha or sigma males but about being resilient, strong, willing to resist and speak up for oneself, like a warrior, and not "toxic masculinity."

Regarding the tendency towards demasculinization, it only applies internally within Asian countries when it comes to stability and security (preventing rebellion, etc.). In people's daily lives, it's not the case. Asian policies and cultural habits often say one thing officially but mean another in reality. The trend towards demasculinization is official, but in real life, people don't act that way. Male stars on TV may be increasingly feminized, but this inner aesthetic preference always remains a small minority in the population. A better explanation for this phenomenon is that investing in and operating male stars with a relatively feminine appearance, like those in Korea, is much cheaper and simpler than those with a rugged style.

About the genetic factors controlling size, it's indeed complex, but not as complex as imagined. 99% of the human genome consists of regulatory factors (auxiliary genomic elements), and 1% are actual genes (controlling enzymes or proteins). Especially with epigenetics now so hot, everyone should realize that their lifestyle, whether or not they get sunlight, what they eat, etc., all have profound effects on their gene expression. And yes, these effects can be passed down for many generations, although they can also be reversed within a generation. However, Asians live under a lot of stress. They go to school from primary to high school from 7 am(get up at 6 am) spending almost all day in classrooms or limited activity spaces until 5-6 pm(middle school) or even 10 pm(high school). They not only lack sunlight and physical exercise (teachers always say the PE teacher is sick), but their classroom lights are primitive, without blue light filtering LEDs. Their homework even forces them to work until 3-4 in the morning(Yes, and they get up at 5 or 6). Many might think I'm making this up, but this is the reality in China, where I've lived for many years. I think I don't need to add too much detail on how hard this life is, as these points are enough. As for whether these poor lifestyle habits can have such a deep impact even over such a long period, men can search for articles on how to increase testosterone to find out.

Imagine being a teenager growing up in such a sexually repressive environment, going to school every day not only without any pleasure but also destroying your sleep. Without space and time for independent thought, without sunlight, without exercise, repeatedly doing useless exercises only for scores. Even with the best genetic endowment, how much can it be utilized? If the earlier famines are too far removed from today's Asians, these hard lives are not. Everyone knows Asians are very diligent, but few think about how painful this diligence is. By the way, don't forget that most East Asians are still in a condition of calorie deficiency, even during adolescence, a time when the body needs to grow and be nourished. Even now, we can derive a very bad new stereotype: Japanese don't eat, Koreans don't sleep, Chinese don't rest. This may be strange for the West, but familiar with East Asians.

I think I should add that the earlier discussion of nutritional famine and poor conditions doesn't quite apply to Japan, which has developed well compared to its less fortunate Asian neighbors. But Japan has always had a culture of eating less due to being an island nation with relatively scarce resources. It's easy to find videos online of Japanese girls eating tiny cakes the size of their palms and pretending to be full. Regarding Japan, isn't it known that for a long time, and I don't know if it's still the case, Japanese AV deliberately chose men with smaller or average-sized penises for filming? The purpose of such filming is to give the majority of men who have average size confidence. And can someone really use the porn industry, which has always been racially discriminatory and pandering to stereotypes, to validate their racially biased beliefs?

My reply aims to express my understanding of this issue and offer thoughts that might help others who are similarly puzzled. We shouldn't deceive ourselves; in the past, we've seen both small and large, and we shouldn't deceive ourselves that all this is changing. Sometimes, to arrive at a comprehensive, neutral, and objective statement, one must invest a lot of effort and thought, not just pretend to be neutral.

Eating little or poorly, or having a terrible lifestyle, enormous pressure, that's why we have Asian stereotypes, and why it's so hard to objectively and soberly get rid of them logically, not just politically correctly.

So my personal conclusion is that there are no interracial differences. If you insist there are, yes, maybe one day we need to seriously discuss a difference of 0.1 inches, although it can be significantly exceeded daily, like trying to get harder or when it's a bit colder. There are no genetic endowment differences, but there are indeed cultural, dietary, and lifestyle differences. The latter is more complex than discussed here, but malnutrition is indeed too crucial; no matter how fine and varied the diet, insufficient quantity is not enough. (introduce a website: calcSD - About)

Many of my views are indeed based on my life experiences in China and discussions with Chinese friends. But given that when we talk about East Asia, we often actually mean China, I think my conclusions, while limited, are worth considering for everyone.

I apologize for this lengthy response about an old issue. It might have interrupted some people's mood for viewing pictures, but I think it's necessary to say these things, not for political correctness, but to clarify things.
 
Well, this was originally sent in the thread "Asians with Big Dicks", but it seems to be too long for it since there are more about pictures sharing. So I put it here, Try to rationly understand the whole problem.


I apologize for bringing up an old issue that is not much discussed anymore, the size of Asian tools, but there seem to be some factors that have been overlooked for a long time.

First, we need to define 'Asian' as it is generally used here, which usually includes China, Korea, Japan, and a number of Southeast Asian countries, and possibly Taiwan depending on political views.

Famine, malnutrition, and poor national economic development have been the most serious problems in these countries in the past five to six decades. This is more severe than the usual malnutrition or use of dairy products discussed. During the worst times, Chinese people even ate kaolin to fill their stomachs or tree bark, which of course had no nutrition and eventually killed them. This may be quite different from poverty as understood in most of the Western world. An exception in these countries worth mentioning is Thailand, Japan, and Taiwan. Although they were also affected by this malnutrition, it was not as severe compared to other countries. It is also worth noting that the malnutrition or deficiency discussed here is actually based on the intake of calories, proteins, micronutrients, etc., and is a comparison with the typical diet of the Caucasian world, where the most severe malnutrition and deficiency were in countries like China, which were sadly associated with Soviet communism.

As for how to understand this type of famine, whether it's the famine that once occurred in Ukraine or China, or actually in North Korea today, these are good typical examples. There may be degrees of difference, but the nature of their problems is similar, having abundant resources but serious food problems due to insufficient distribution by the bureaucratic system. Another perhaps more familiar example in the Western world, which some people may realize after reading a lot of material, is the famine caused in Germany by the blockade during World War I. Although different, some elderly people in rural Germany may still retain the practice of growing potatoes to prevent famine, as potatoes are a very easy plant to grow and are indeed very nutritious.

A typical Chinese diet, I'm talking about now, and I mean a normal diet that meets the minimum material needs of a family, is actually not complicated in terms of macronutrient calculation: 200 grams of rice or noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, equivalent to about 50 grams of carbohydrates per meal, 150 grams of carbs per day, mainly rice or noodles, 200 grams of meat per day is considered a lot, actually providing 50 grams of protein, and then no more than 40 grams of oil. This totals 1160 calories. As a reference, a standard diet should actually be around 2400 calories per day, even over 3000 for a more varied diet. The calculation of macronutrients is simple: 4 calories per gram for proteins and carbohydrates, and 9 calories per gram for fats. If necessary, you can verify this by entering your daily intake into cronometer.

Another data point related to living standards is that, according to official data from China in 2020, there are 600 million people with a monthly income of less than 1000 RMB (about 150 USD), including 220 million people with a monthly income of less than 500 RMB (about 75 USD). In China, the number of people with a monthly income of less than 2000 RMB (about 300 USD) reached 964 million. It should also be remembered that China has been known to manipulate its data, so these figures are likely beautified.

People don't think that when nutrition is insufficient, even with good genetic endowment, a person can grow very big. This actually explains a lot, especially considering the Asians who are in their forties and fifties now but were in their twenties and thirties when the thread started (06-08), i.e., the mainstream Asians seen at that time. Due to malnutrition, it's normal for them to be smaller than the global average. It might be a foot difference compared to the current world average of 5.5 inches; 4.5, and I'm being very generous with 4.5, considering my experience living in the north and visiting public baths. I thought about 3 feet, but those old people had lived through the Cultural Revolution or the Great Famine in China, hadn't they? This somewhat matches people's past personal experiences (sadly, yes, those Asians seen early in the thread, especially those with six or seven inches, might have had slightly better diets and environments, and could have grown an inch or more). Nutrition's impact on size can be understood as a shift to the left of the entire bell curve of penis size; if the curve goes from small to large from left to right, the curve has shifted left, so it seems that earlier Asians had a smaller average, but there were also larger ones.

As examples of how nutrition can impact human body size, I can cite two more cases. Medieval Europeans' heights can be reasonably inferred from the sizes of the armors found today, which suggest that Europeans, especially during the Middle Ages, were not taller than Easterners. I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe the inferred average height was around 1.5 meters. However, this has now reversed. Similarly, Dutch people have undergone a noticeable change in height over nearly 200 years due to increased intake of dairy products and proteins, reaching an average height of nearly 1.85 meters today. The influence of nutrition on physical development is much greater than we think, but it takes much longer than we might expect for an event to unfold.

I'm not trying to say that the earlier statements about Asians having smaller average sizes but also larger penises exist is without problems. There's an unintended malice in these statements. Yes, they're based on personal experiences, but those experiences only apply to the previous generation, the Asians who are now in their forties and fifties. Asian countries have undergone significant changes in the past three to four decades. Their economies have made their own achievements, so nutrition and living standards have changed a lot, although still relatively poor compared to the rich dietary life of the Western or Caucasian world. Because this was their past experience, it seemed reasonable to them, and it's the reason they unconsciously concluded that Asians are smaller. But extending this conclusion to all Asians, regardless of their growth environment and, intentionally or unintentionally, tracing it back to race, is problematic. Their real point is that they don't believe Asians can be large; they should first prove why they don't believe.

For those truly curious about the size of Asian tools, it may take some time before they see more, as the millennial generation has just grown up. Starting from this generation, it's possible to change the stereotype that Asians tend to be smaller and eliminate any interracial differences. I've heard from many of my Asian friends (specifically Chinese) that there's a lot of discussion about why the new generation seems to be significantly larger on average than their generation. Well, this is anecdotal evidence and may not prove much. But the disappearance of such gaps is always good, especially when these size differences actually reflect a country's development and the quality of people’s daily lives.

Some have mentioned research reports indicating that these interracial differences do exist, but these conclusions are based on specific samples. As I said, the previous generation is indeed a bit smaller, simply due to malnutrition and a horrific living environment. So, whatever report you look at, as long as the sample is based on people born before the 2000s, the data is more likely to be smaller. Everyone lives in a specific environment, but many surveys fail to consider this factor. For example, some American surveys overlook the harm done to homosexuals by homophobes during the Stonewall movement of the seventies and eighties, comparing masculinity between homosexual and heterosexual men.

Another important issue is the sexual shame of Asians. Asian culture not only avoids discussing sex but also views it as kind of taboo, much like pedophilia is taboo in the West. So yes, no matter what natural gifts an Asian man has, he's unlikely to be as openly confident about his masculinity as Caucasians. They consider it barbaric, shameful, and primitive, lacking in education. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that's the mainstream in Asian culture. Perhaps when you talk to Asian friends, they might say that's a thing of the past, but their subconscious is still influenced by culture.

So, when addressing this issue, the best response might be to post their own photos directly, but usually, they are reluctant to do so. Maybe it's just around the average, so posting it won't prove anything, but even if they are that large, they might not be interested in doing so. The cultural factors surrounding this issue are not as simple as a choice like Muslims not liking pork, but rather a complex, perhaps not so scientific or rigorous, collective subconscious-like thing. Caucasians generally don't have this problem because they've never been ashamed of sex, and if they're exceptionally endowed, they'd proudly display it. Such behavior would only invite severe criticism and social ostracism in Asian societies.

Regarding the issue of photos, there's another point worth discussing. I wonder if anyone has overlooked the elephant in the room: the full erection in Asians and Caucasians is different. Firstly, most Asians are growers, and the difference between their flaccid and erect conditions can be very impressive. On average, this change is more noticeable than in Caucasian growers. Secondly, possibly due to the aforementioned sexual shame or other subtle cultural reasons, many photos shown by Asians are only semi-erect (50%). A simple way to tell is that Asians are hard and upward when fully erect; when an Asian is about 75% erect, it no longer feels soft,

but many of the photos actually posted about Chinese are of commercial male models from China, and these commercial models' photos are mostly soft, maybe 50%, but definitely not over 75%. Therefore, many people might mistakenly think that these images represent their fully erect condition.

Additionally, there's another aspect that might venture into politically incorrect territory but is factual. Asian countries, especially East Asia (which often refers to China, Japan, and Korea, all parts of the Confucian cultural sphere), are very resistant to masculine traits. The Masculinity I mentioned demands bravery, self-expression, fighting for honor, etc., but in collectivist Asian countries, this is often seen as the biggest threat by rulers. So, even though every founding emperor or king was full of masculinity, knowing how they had rebelled, they also blocked the path they had taken, leading to a tendency towards demasculinization in Asian culture.

But we can understand this issue more simply. One might wonder how China could have such a vast territory with pre-information age technology. Rulers would go to great lengths to maintain their rule, plotting against their people and ruthlessly killing anyone who might try to rebel. This parallels our understanding of authoritarian regimes. A culture has long been formed: do not resist, conform, and abandon masculinity. Japan is an exception due to its samurai class, which changed Japanese society through coup d'états, so the perception of Japanese people is not as demasculinized.

I must point out that the masculinity I'm referring to is not about being alpha or sigma males but about being resilient, strong, willing to resist and speak up for oneself, like a warrior, and not "toxic masculinity."

Regarding the tendency towards demasculinization, it only applies internally within Asian countries when it comes to stability and security (preventing rebellion, etc.). In people's daily lives, it's not the case. Asian policies and cultural habits often say one thing officially but mean another in reality. The trend towards demasculinization is official, but in real life, people don't act that way. Male stars on TV may be increasingly feminized, but this inner aesthetic preference always remains a small minority in the population. A better explanation for this phenomenon is that investing in and operating male stars with a relatively feminine appearance, like those in Korea, is much cheaper and simpler than those with a rugged style.

About the genetic factors controlling size, it's indeed complex, but not as complex as imagined. 99% of the human genome consists of regulatory factors (auxiliary genomic elements), and 1% are actual genes (controlling enzymes or proteins). Especially with epigenetics now so hot, everyone should realize that their lifestyle, whether or not they get sunlight, what they eat, etc., all have profound effects on their gene expression. And yes, these effects can be passed down for many generations, although they can also be reversed within a generation. However, Asians live under a lot of stress. They go to school from primary to high school from 7 am(get up at 6 am) spending almost all day in classrooms or limited activity spaces until 5-6 pm(middle school) or even 10 pm(high school). They not only lack sunlight and physical exercise (teachers always say the PE teacher is sick), but their classroom lights are primitive, without blue light filtering LEDs. Their homework even forces them to work until 3-4 in the morning(Yes, and they get up at 5 or 6). Many might think I'm making this up, but this is the reality in China, where I've lived for many years. I think I don't need to add too much detail on how hard this life is, as these points are enough. As for whether these poor lifestyle habits can have such a deep impact even over such a long period, men can search for articles on how to increase testosterone to find out.

Imagine being a teenager growing up in such a sexually repressive environment, going to school every day not only without any pleasure but also destroying your sleep. Without space and time for independent thought, without sunlight, without exercise, repeatedly doing useless exercises only for scores. Even with the best genetic endowment, how much can it be utilized? If the earlier famines are too far removed from today's Asians, these hard lives are not. Everyone knows Asians are very diligent, but few think about how painful this diligence is. By the way, don't forget that most East Asians are still in a condition of calorie deficiency, even during adolescence, a time when the body needs to grow and be nourished. Even now, we can derive a very bad new stereotype: Japanese don't eat, Koreans don't sleep, Chinese don't rest. This may be strange for the West, but familiar with East Asians.

I think I should add that the earlier discussion of nutritional famine and poor conditions doesn't quite apply to Japan, which has developed well compared to its less fortunate Asian neighbors. But Japan has always had a culture of eating less due to being an island nation with relatively scarce resources. It's easy to find videos online of Japanese girls eating tiny cakes the size of their palms and pretending to be full. Regarding Japan, isn't it known that for a long time, and I don't know if it's still the case, Japanese AV deliberately chose men with smaller or average-sized penises for filming? The purpose of such filming is to give the majority of men who have average size confidence. And can someone really use the porn industry, which has always been racially discriminatory and pandering to stereotypes, to validate their racially biased beliefs?

My reply aims to express my understanding of this issue and offer thoughts that might help others who are similarly puzzled. We shouldn't deceive ourselves; in the past, we've seen both small and large, and we shouldn't deceive ourselves that all this is changing. Sometimes, to arrive at a comprehensive, neutral, and objective statement, one must invest a lot of effort and thought, not just pretend to be neutral.

Eating little or poorly, or having a terrible lifestyle, enormous pressure, that's why we have Asian stereotypes, and why it's so hard to objectively and soberly get rid of them logically, not just politically correctly.

So my personal conclusion is that there are no interracial differences. If you insist there are, yes, maybe one day we need to seriously discuss a difference of 0.1 inches, although it can be significantly exceeded daily, like trying to get harder or when it's a bit colder. There are no genetic endowment differences, but there are indeed cultural, dietary, and lifestyle differences. The latter is more complex than discussed here, but malnutrition is indeed too crucial; no matter how fine and varied the diet, insufficient quantity is not enough. (introduce a website: calcSD - About)

Many of my views are indeed based on my life experiences in China and discussions with Chinese friends. But given that when we talk about East Asia, we often actually mean China, I think my conclusions, while limited, are worth considering for everyone.

I apologize for this lengthy response about an old issue. It might have interrupted some people's mood for viewing pictures, but I think it's necessary to say these things, not for political correctness, but to clarify things.
tl; dr
in one word: genetics
 
tl; dr
in one word: genetics
Oh sure, just like genetics demands, those born at the bottom are destined to stay there forever, right? No matter how hard they work, no matter how much confidence they gain. After all, if you're from the lower class, you and your descendants are doomed to remain there. If their offspring suddenly soar high - well, that must mean they're a mix, not truly from the lower class stock. That's the logic we're going with, isn’t it? Some people have the right to dream to compensate for their pathetic boring life and deny anything that can hurt them.
 
It would be interesting to see the difference between generations, who knows what lies in store in 20 or 40 years. I haven't seen many Asian guys naked, but i remember one in the locker room. He was adopted (from Korea), raised in the Netherlands. And he was actually quite tall (almost 1.90) and soft his dick was bigger than mine, probably 11-12 cm.
 
I was with an Asian friend years ago.. he was so sexy and all and got to knowing him.. ( he was a transfer student at the college I went to)


He spoke English pretty good and he started talking to me about homosexuality in his country in some areas wasn’t treated as bad as it was in others .. but here at the college it looked like being gay was being accepted..

I told him to a lot of gay guys.. like myself .. don’t care what others think.. .. and here we take up for each other if any assholes felt different about it..


He had two things to deal with here.. being Asian as a lot of people around area were racist pricks .. but on the college grounds where a lot of students came from across country and around the world .. we treated each other equally .. sure there’s always a few bad apples in the bunch .. but we were allowed to be proud to be who we are …



One weekend he stayed at my place for the weekend …. My room mates were gone home to visit their parents as it was a three day weekend ..

He was like wow you live far away from the city .. I was like yeah.. told him I can swim naked and jerk off on porch or even have sex in my front yard .. the yard was fenced in with wooden boards and the driveway had a gate that had to enter a code or I had to beep to let you in ..a friend of mine had same setup as he wanted complete privacy when he was home ..

He was like cool. And said he can walk around the room he was going to be sleeping in naked..

I told him he was sleeping in my room and I was going to sleep on the couch .. and as for being naked in the room.. go for it .. or if he wanted to walk around naked sleep naked eat naked or whatever .. it’s ok .. as I will prob do it as long as he didn’t have any problems with it..

He was fine with it..

It got dark outside so he took a shower and comes through the house drying his hair and was naked .. penis a flopping and balls .. and his body so smooth .. all I saw he had hair on the front was around his cock n balls ..



I joked around asked him damn.. how big is that thing when hard.. all he said was show him mine and he’d show me his..



I said I’d do better than that.. and stripped completely in front of him.. he sees my dick .. rock hard already thanks to him .. he was like his wasn’t as big as mine .. I said well I showed you mine now your turn.. he walks over sits on the couch and I sat next to him .. his body was still wet in spots where hadn’t dried yet .. and I leaned over licked his nipple as it was wet .. and then sucked on it some .. then sat back ..
He says do that again.. I was like sure .. I sucked on the same nipple and worked my way to the other one and sucked on it .. then I ran my tongue down his wet chest and kissing it kind of sucking the water off his skin as I made my way do his stomach and there he was rock hard … I was expecting. 4.5 to 5 inch cock but he was little over 7 and thick ..


I wasn’t expecting that as he had a smaller frame and seeing his dick limp .. I was like nice but seeing it hard I was like totally nice ..


So the times I had heard jokes about Asians and Chinese guys all have tiny cocks .. I beg to differ


As for getting bigger over time it’s happening everywhere not just in china or japan .. I saw one person with near 9 inches and still had time to grow
 
Well there are official statistics.
A quick google shows the numbers:
Average erected penis size sorted by region
Africa: 5,85 in
Asia: 4,66 in
Europe: 5,55 in
North America: 5,74 in
Oceania: 6,18 in
South America: 5,70 in

So it's not a cliché, it's a statistic.
The problem here is "average". If you look at Gaussian normal distribution, there must be a lot of men under and a lot of men above average. But the further you move away from the average, the rarer the dick sizes become.

There are some theories, why average dick size in Asia is smaller. It could be that eating a lot of soy food is bad for men's dick sizes, because it contains plant estrogens.
 
I never look at statistics for anything.. they don’t know the size of every guys penis out there.. they get it from people that answer questions and hope they are telling the truth..

When they say “average size”. That means a lot of the men asked size were maybe that size .. but there are millions of guys they don’t ask or guys say it’s no one’s business
 
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Well, this was originally sent in the thread "Asians with Big Dicks", but it seems to be too long for it since there are more about pictures sharing. So I put it here, Try to rationly understand the whole problem.


I apologize for bringing up an old issue that is not much discussed anymore, the size of Asian tools, but there seem to be some factors that have been overlooked for a long time.

First, we need to define 'Asian' as it is generally used here, which usually includes China, Korea, Japan, and a number of Southeast Asian countries, and possibly Taiwan depending on political views.

Famine, malnutrition, and poor national economic development have been the most serious problems in these countries in the past five to six decades. This is more severe than the usual malnutrition or use of dairy products discussed. During the worst times, Chinese people even ate kaolin to fill their stomachs or tree bark, which of course had no nutrition and eventually killed them. This may be quite different from poverty as understood in most of the Western world. An exception in these countries worth mentioning is Thailand, Japan, and Taiwan. Although they were also affected by this malnutrition, it was not as severe compared to other countries. It is also worth noting that the malnutrition or deficiency discussed here is actually based on the intake of calories, proteins, micronutrients, etc., and is a comparison with the typical diet of the Caucasian world, where the most severe malnutrition and deficiency were in countries like China, which were sadly associated with Soviet communism.

As for how to understand this type of famine, whether it's the famine that once occurred in Ukraine or China, or actually in North Korea today, these are good typical examples. There may be degrees of difference, but the nature of their problems is similar, having abundant resources but serious food problems due to insufficient distribution by the bureaucratic system. Another perhaps more familiar example in the Western world, which some people may realize after reading a lot of material, is the famine caused in Germany by the blockade during World War I. Although different, some elderly people in rural Germany may still retain the practice of growing potatoes to prevent famine, as potatoes are a very easy plant to grow and are indeed very nutritious.

A typical Chinese diet, I'm talking about now, and I mean a normal diet that meets the minimum material needs of a family, is actually not complicated in terms of macronutrient calculation: 200 grams of rice or noodles for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, equivalent to about 50 grams of carbohydrates per meal, 150 grams of carbs per day, mainly rice or noodles, 200 grams of meat per day is considered a lot, actually providing 50 grams of protein, and then no more than 40 grams of oil. This totals 1160 calories. As a reference, a standard diet should actually be around 2400 calories per day, even over 3000 for a more varied diet. The calculation of macronutrients is simple: 4 calories per gram for proteins and carbohydrates, and 9 calories per gram for fats. If necessary, you can verify this by entering your daily intake into cronometer.

Another data point related to living standards is that, according to official data from China in 2020, there are 600 million people with a monthly income of less than 1000 RMB (about 150 USD), including 220 million people with a monthly income of less than 500 RMB (about 75 USD). In China, the number of people with a monthly income of less than 2000 RMB (about 300 USD) reached 964 million. It should also be remembered that China has been known to manipulate its data, so these figures are likely beautified.

People don't think that when nutrition is insufficient, even with good genetic endowment, a person can grow very big. This actually explains a lot, especially considering the Asians who are in their forties and fifties now but were in their twenties and thirties when the thread started (06-08), i.e., the mainstream Asians seen at that time. Due to malnutrition, it's normal for them to be smaller than the global average. It might be a foot difference compared to the current world average of 5.5 inches; 4.5, and I'm being very generous with 4.5, considering my experience living in the north and visiting public baths. I thought about 3 feet, but those old people had lived through the Cultural Revolution or the Great Famine in China, hadn't they? This somewhat matches people's past personal experiences (sadly, yes, those Asians seen early in the thread, especially those with six or seven inches, might have had slightly better diets and environments, and could have grown an inch or more). Nutrition's impact on size can be understood as a shift to the left of the entire bell curve of penis size; if the curve goes from small to large from left to right, the curve has shifted left, so it seems that earlier Asians had a smaller average, but there were also larger ones.

As examples of how nutrition can impact human body size, I can cite two more cases. Medieval Europeans' heights can be reasonably inferred from the sizes of the armors found today, which suggest that Europeans, especially during the Middle Ages, were not taller than Easterners. I don't remember the exact figures, but I believe the inferred average height was around 1.5 meters. However, this has now reversed. Similarly, Dutch people have undergone a noticeable change in height over nearly 200 years due to increased intake of dairy products and proteins, reaching an average height of nearly 1.85 meters today. The influence of nutrition on physical development is much greater than we think, but it takes much longer than we might expect for an event to unfold.

I'm not trying to say that the earlier statements about Asians having smaller average sizes but also larger penises exist is without problems. There's an unintended malice in these statements. Yes, they're based on personal experiences, but those experiences only apply to the previous generation, the Asians who are now in their forties and fifties. Asian countries have undergone significant changes in the past three to four decades. Their economies have made their own achievements, so nutrition and living standards have changed a lot, although still relatively poor compared to the rich dietary life of the Western or Caucasian world. Because this was their past experience, it seemed reasonable to them, and it's the reason they unconsciously concluded that Asians are smaller. But extending this conclusion to all Asians, regardless of their growth environment and, intentionally or unintentionally, tracing it back to race, is problematic. Their real point is that they don't believe Asians can be large; they should first prove why they don't believe.

For those truly curious about the size of Asian tools, it may take some time before they see more, as the millennial generation has just grown up. Starting from this generation, it's possible to change the stereotype that Asians tend to be smaller and eliminate any interracial differences. I've heard from many of my Asian friends (specifically Chinese) that there's a lot of discussion about why the new generation seems to be significantly larger on average than their generation. Well, this is anecdotal evidence and may not prove much. But the disappearance of such gaps is always good, especially when these size differences actually reflect a country's development and the quality of people’s daily lives.

Some have mentioned research reports indicating that these interracial differences do exist, but these conclusions are based on specific samples. As I said, the previous generation is indeed a bit smaller, simply due to malnutrition and a horrific living environment. So, whatever report you look at, as long as the sample is based on people born before the 2000s, the data is more likely to be smaller. Everyone lives in a specific environment, but many surveys fail to consider this factor. For example, some American surveys overlook the harm done to homosexuals by homophobes during the Stonewall movement of the seventies and eighties, comparing masculinity between homosexual and heterosexual men.

Another important issue is the sexual shame of Asians. Asian culture not only avoids discussing sex but also views it as kind of taboo, much like pedophilia is taboo in the West. So yes, no matter what natural gifts an Asian man has, he's unlikely to be as openly confident about his masculinity as Caucasians. They consider it barbaric, shameful, and primitive, lacking in education. Yes, I think it's wrong, but that's the mainstream in Asian culture. Perhaps when you talk to Asian friends, they might say that's a thing of the past, but their subconscious is still influenced by culture.

So, when addressing this issue, the best response might be to post their own photos directly, but usually, they are reluctant to do so. Maybe it's just around the average, so posting it won't prove anything, but even if they are that large, they might not be interested in doing so. The cultural factors surrounding this issue are not as simple as a choice like Muslims not liking pork, but rather a complex, perhaps not so scientific or rigorous, collective subconscious-like thing. Caucasians generally don't have this problem because they've never been ashamed of sex, and if they're exceptionally endowed, they'd proudly display it. Such behavior would only invite severe criticism and social ostracism in Asian societies.

Regarding the issue of photos, there's another point worth discussing. I wonder if anyone has overlooked the elephant in the room: the full erection in Asians and Caucasians is different. Firstly, most Asians are growers, and the difference between their flaccid and erect conditions can be very impressive. On average, this change is more noticeable than in Caucasian growers. Secondly, possibly due to the aforementioned sexual shame or other subtle cultural reasons, many photos shown by Asians are only semi-erect (50%). A simple way to tell is that Asians are hard and upward when fully erect; when an Asian is about 75% erect, it no longer feels soft,

but many of the photos actually posted about Chinese are of commercial male models from China, and these commercial models' photos are mostly soft, maybe 50%, but definitely not over 75%. Therefore, many people might mistakenly think that these images represent their fully erect condition.

Additionally, there's another aspect that might venture into politically incorrect territory but is factual. Asian countries, especially East Asia (which often refers to China, Japan, and Korea, all parts of the Confucian cultural sphere), are very resistant to masculine traits. The Masculinity I mentioned demands bravery, self-expression, fighting for honor, etc., but in collectivist Asian countries, this is often seen as the biggest threat by rulers. So, even though every founding emperor or king was full of masculinity, knowing how they had rebelled, they also blocked the path they had taken, leading to a tendency towards demasculinization in Asian culture.

But we can understand this issue more simply. One might wonder how China could have such a vast territory with pre-information age technology. Rulers would go to great lengths to maintain their rule, plotting against their people and ruthlessly killing anyone who might try to rebel. This parallels our understanding of authoritarian regimes. A culture has long been formed: do not resist, conform, and abandon masculinity. Japan is an exception due to its samurai class, which changed Japanese society through coup d'états, so the perception of Japanese people is not as demasculinized.

I must point out that the masculinity I'm referring to is not about being alpha or sigma males but about being resilient, strong, willing to resist and speak up for oneself, like a warrior, and not "toxic masculinity."

Regarding the tendency towards demasculinization, it only applies internally within Asian countries when it comes to stability and security (preventing rebellion, etc.). In people's daily lives, it's not the case. Asian policies and cultural habits often say one thing officially but mean another in reality. The trend towards demasculinization is official, but in real life, people don't act that way. Male stars on TV may be increasingly feminized, but this inner aesthetic preference always remains a small minority in the population. A better explanation for this phenomenon is that investing in and operating male stars with a relatively feminine appearance, like those in Korea, is much cheaper and simpler than those with a rugged style.

About the genetic factors controlling size, it's indeed complex, but not as complex as imagined. 99% of the human genome consists of regulatory factors (auxiliary genomic elements), and 1% are actual genes (controlling enzymes or proteins). Especially with epigenetics now so hot, everyone should realize that their lifestyle, whether or not they get sunlight, what they eat, etc., all have profound effects on their gene expression. And yes, these effects can be passed down for many generations, although they can also be reversed within a generation. However, Asians live under a lot of stress. They go to school from primary to high school from 7 am(get up at 6 am) spending almost all day in classrooms or limited activity spaces until 5-6 pm(middle school) or even 10 pm(high school). They not only lack sunlight and physical exercise (teachers always say the PE teacher is sick), but their classroom lights are primitive, without blue light filtering LEDs. Their homework even forces them to work until 3-4 in the morning(Yes, and they get up at 5 or 6). Many might think I'm making this up, but this is the reality in China, where I've lived for many years. I think I don't need to add too much detail on how hard this life is, as these points are enough. As for whether these poor lifestyle habits can have such a deep impact even over such a long period, men can search for articles on how to increase testosterone to find out.

Imagine being a teenager growing up in such a sexually repressive environment, going to school every day not only without any pleasure but also destroying your sleep. Without space and time for independent thought, without sunlight, without exercise, repeatedly doing useless exercises only for scores. Even with the best genetic endowment, how much can it be utilized? If the earlier famines are too far removed from today's Asians, these hard lives are not. Everyone knows Asians are very diligent, but few think about how painful this diligence is. By the way, don't forget that most East Asians are still in a condition of calorie deficiency, even during adolescence, a time when the body needs to grow and be nourished. Even now, we can derive a very bad new stereotype: Japanese don't eat, Koreans don't sleep, Chinese don't rest. This may be strange for the West, but familiar with East Asians.

I think I should add that the earlier discussion of nutritional famine and poor conditions doesn't quite apply to Japan, which has developed well compared to its less fortunate Asian neighbors. But Japan has always had a culture of eating less due to being an island nation with relatively scarce resources. It's easy to find videos online of Japanese girls eating tiny cakes the size of their palms and pretending to be full. Regarding Japan, isn't it known that for a long time, and I don't know if it's still the case, Japanese AV deliberately chose men with smaller or average-sized penises for filming? The purpose of such filming is to give the majority of men who have average size confidence. And can someone really use the porn industry, which has always been racially discriminatory and pandering to stereotypes, to validate their racially biased beliefs?

My reply aims to express my understanding of this issue and offer thoughts that might help others who are similarly puzzled. We shouldn't deceive ourselves; in the past, we've seen both small and large, and we shouldn't deceive ourselves that all this is changing. Sometimes, to arrive at a comprehensive, neutral, and objective statement, one must invest a lot of effort and thought, not just pretend to be neutral.

Eating little or poorly, or having a terrible lifestyle, enormous pressure, that's why we have Asian stereotypes, and why it's so hard to objectively and soberly get rid of them logically, not just politically correctly.

So my personal conclusion is that there are no interracial differences. If you insist there are, yes, maybe one day we need to seriously discuss a difference of 0.1 inches, although it can be significantly exceeded daily, like trying to get harder or when it's a bit colder. There are no genetic endowment differences, but there are indeed cultural, dietary, and lifestyle differences. The latter is more complex than discussed here, but malnutrition is indeed too crucial; no matter how fine and varied the diet, insufficient quantity is not enough. (introduce a website: calcSD - About)

Many of my views are indeed based on my life experiences in China and discussions with Chinese friends. But given that when we talk about East Asia, we often actually mean China, I think my conclusions, while limited, are worth considering for everyone.

I apologize for this lengthy response about an old issue. It might have interrupted some people's mood for viewing pictures, but I think it's necessary to say these things, not for political correctness, but to clarify things.
Do you really think nutrition affects penis size? My observation is that it related to length of fingers, feet and noses, and so would only relate to total body size, if at all. Chinese population has many different clans, as does Korean, so size would vary depending on that as well. Filipinos have a large Spanish as well as American dna input.
 
Well there are official statistics.
A quick google shows the numbers:
Average erected penis size sorted by region
Africa: 5,85 in
Asia: 4,66 in
Europe: 5,55 in
North America: 5,74 in
Oceania: 6,18 in
South America: 5,70 in

So it's not a cliché, it's a statistic.
The problem here is "average". If you look at Gaussian normal distribution, there must be a lot of men under and a lot of men above average. But the further you move away from the average, the rarer the dick sizes become.

There are some theories, why average dick size in Asia is smaller. It could be that eating a lot of soy food is bad for men's dick sizes, because it contains plant estrogens.
,The reason why this matter is a cliche is that there are always people who say things with wrong cultural impressions
,Where does your official data come from? Can you post it? Or do you think this official data comes from The following sources:
1. International penis sizes compared
2. Penis Size by Country 2023
3. Penis Size Statistics - What is the average penis size (length and width) around the world?
and so on.
Do you realize that in fact, the data sources of these websites all come from the same source, racist(J. Philippe Rushton) data: The Racist Origins of Penis-Size Stereotypes
Unfortunately, most people don't realize that there is something wrong with the data they look at by country or region, Even Google search did not deliberately distinguish. I searched the results about the average size of the penis in Chinese, English, German, French, Japanese, and Korean. No. The top result in Google still comes from this wrong data source. if I remember correctly, a few days ago I looked up the average human penis size in French, this even is written in Wikipedia.
This racist result was so widely spread that searching in these languages, on page 1, almost all of which comes from the interpretation of this data by various media in their country, rather than the real scientific data.
If someone is interested in real data:
https://bjui-journals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/bju.13010 (global, but mostly whites)
"Nomograms for flaccid pendulous [n = 10 704, mean (sd) 9.16 (1.57) cm] and stretched length [n = 14 160, mean (sd) 13.24 (1.89) cm], erect length [n = 692, mean (sd) 13.12 (1.66) cm], flaccid circumference [n = 9407, mean (sd) 9.31 (0.90) cm], and erect circumference [n = 381, mean (sd) 11.66 (1.10) cm] were constructed. Consistent and strongest significant correlation was between flaccid stretched or erect length and height, which ranged from r = 0.2 to 0.6."
Yes, the articles need to be paid, but sci-hub will always be your friend.
https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1016/j.juro.2013.02.3200 (African blacks)
"In 253 Tanzanian males 10 to 47 years old mean ± SD penile length in adults was 11.5 ± 1.6 cm, mean shaft circumference was 8.7 ± 0.9 cm and mean glans circumference was 8.8 ± 0.9 cm. As expected, given the variability of puberty, measurements in younger males varied significantly. Glans circumference highly correlated with height (r = 0.80) and weight (r = 0.81, each p <0.001). Stretched foreskin diameter moderately correlated with height (r = 0.68) and weight (r = 0.71, each p <0.001)."
Can physique and gluteal size predict penile length in adult Nigerian men? | West African Journal of Medicine (African blacks)
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The Relationship between Height and Body Weight and Penile Size in University Students (Korean)
"PURPOSE: Is there any relationship between penile size and physical stature? This study was performed to answer this question and provide guidelines of penile size to assist in counseling patients for penile augmentation. MATERIALS AND METHOD: Penile size, body weight and height were measured in 150 young healthy men, and the body mass index(BMI) was calculated in weight(kg)/height(m)2. The penile length and circumference were measured with tape in flaccid and erect states. The 'lengthening ratio' was calculated by 'erect length/flaccid length', and 'tumescent ratio' was calculated by 'erect circumference/flaccid circumference'. All the data was statistically evaluated and the following results were obtained. Result : The average length and circumference were 8.26+/-1.07cm and 8.34+/-1.03cm respectively in the flaccid state, and 13.42+/-1.38cm and 11.17+/-1.05cm in the erect state. The average lengthening and tumescent ratios were 1.64+/-0.22 and 1.35+/-0.08, and were negatively correlated to the flaccid penile length and circumference. Height was positively correlated to erect penile length and lengthening ratio. There was a relationship between body weight and erect penile length in a positive direction, but with other penile parameters there were none. There was no relationship between BMI and any parameters of penile size. However, the erect penile length of the normal BMI group was longer than that of the lower BMI group."
Your Google's official data is not statistics, it is just a result of bias and delusions. Science is a methodology that people use to produce truth about the world, but most of this methodology is about how to question, not how to prove it——Make bold assumptions and carefully verify them, instead of just making assertions. Scientism doesn't mean just claiming the authority of some data or conclusions for the sake of science but can use a whole set of methodologies to question whether this conclusion is correct.
 
Do you really think nutrition affects penis size? My observation is that it related to length of fingers, feet and noses, and so would only relate to total body size, if at all. Chinese population has many different clans, as does Korean, so size would vary depending on that as well. Filipinos have a large Spanish as well as American dna input.
Hmm, Did you read my reply to the previous one about nutrition? I am not talking about a personal conjecture, but an inference I have made from the scientific literature.
"Androgens like testosterone are responsible for penis enlargement and elongation during puberty.[43] Penis size is positively correlated with increasing testosterone levels during puberty.[44] But after puberty, administration of testosterone does not affect penis size, and androgen deficiency in adult men only results in a small decrease in size.[44] Growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) are also involved in penis size, with deficiency (such as that observed in growth hormone deficiency or Laron syndrome) at critical developmental stages having the potential to result in micropenis.[45]"——wiki.
"Secondly, the development of male genital organs, including the penis and testes, is significantly influenced by IGF-1 (Insulin-like Growth Factor). Studies in animals have shown that even if testosterone levels remain stable, any disruption to the growth hormone axis (where IGF-1 is released following liver stimulation by growth hormone) can notably impact the genital size after puberty. Furthermore, it's well-established that both growth hormone and IGF-1 are influenced by dietary intake. These hormones, along with somatostatin, are key regulatory elements evolved to manage nutritional challenges in animals. While medical literature doesn't frequently report on penile enlargement, in the case of Laron syndrome, administering IGF-1 can induce enlargement, though a size reduction is often observed after a few weeks."
,In fact, it has been proved that the size of any other part of the body has nothing to do with the size of the penis:
"

Size with ageing​

Authors of a paper reviewing research on area of penis sizes conclude that "flaccid penile length is just under 4 cm (1.6 in) at birth and changes very little until puberty, when there is marked growth."[1][6]

Age is not believed to negatively correlate with penis size. "Individual research studies have... suggested that penis size is smaller in studies focusing on older men, but Wylie and Eardley found no overall differences when they collated the results of various studies [over a 60 year period]."[6]

Size and height​

A 2015 review of the literature found two studies finding height and stretched or flaccid length to be moderately correlated, seven studies finding weak correlation for flaccid, stretched, or erect length, and two studies that found no correlation between flaccid length and height.[2]

Size and hands​

One study investigated the relationship with digit ratio and found that men with longer ring fingers than index fingers had slightly longer penises.[21][22] However, the common misconception that hand size predicts penis size has been widely discredited.[23][24]

Size and other body parts​

One study, Siminoski and Bain (1988), found a weak correlation between the size of the stretched penis and foot size and height; however, it was too weak to be used as a practical estimator.[25] Another investigation, Shah and Christopher (2002), which cited Siminoski and Bain (1988), failed to find any evidence for a link between shoe size and stretched penis size, stating "the supposed association of penile length and shoe size has no scientific basis".[26][27]
A study by Ikegaya et al. (2021) concluded that nose size was highly related to stretched penile length in Japanese male cadavers.[28]
There may be a link between the malformation of the genitalia and the human limbs. The development of the penis in an embryo is controlled by some of the same Hox genes (in particular HOXA13 and HOXD13)[29] as those that control the development of the limbs. Mutations of some Hox genes that control the growth of limbs cause malformed genitalia (hand-foot-genital syndrome).[30]
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Certain relationships are indeed worth pointing out, if one must say so.
For men, height growth after puberty is mainly caused by longitudinal bone growth, and this process is introduced by ERα, estrogen receptor alpha. (Yes, it's not caused by testosterone or the AR(androgen receptor)
As for the size of hands, feet, nose and other parts, there is indeed a gene to control the size of these parts and the penis at the same time, But the contribution of this gene to penis growth is limited.
The ratio of ring finger to index finger can be used as an index of androgen exposure.
But the correlation between all these and penis size is too weak. The statistically valid correlation coefficient must be greater than 0.3, not having 0.20 to 0.3 Ahand to claim sufficient correlation, and this is what most reports do.
Yes, It is also worth considering the genetic diversity within countries, and it is worth mentioning that the genetic diversity within China is similar to that in Europe as a whole. However, so far, there is no obvious difference(bigger than 0.5 cm) in the size of genitals among different ethnic groups in China.
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Well there are official statistics.
A quick google shows the numbers:
Average erected penis size sorted by region
Africa: 5,85 in
Asia: 4,66 in
Europe: 5,55 in
North America: 5,74 in
Oceania: 6,18 in
South America: 5,70 in

So it's not a cliché, it's a statistic.
The problem here is "average". If you look at Gaussian normal distribution, there must be a lot of men under and a lot of men above average. But the further you move away from the average, the rarer the dick sizes become.

There are some theories, why average dick size in Asia is smaller. It could be that eating a lot of soy food is bad for men's dick sizes, because it contains plant estrogens.
Speaking about the factors that affect size, A lot of people overlook certain elements that are essential to their life, and certain drugs like Ibuprofen or statins, or SSRIs can actually cause harm, too. And that's what's happening in North America, since the 1970s and 1980s, when pharmaceutical companies slowly began to take over the health and medical industries.
 
I never look at statistics for anything.. they don’t know the size of every guys penis out there.. they get it from people that answer questions and hope they are telling the truth..

When they say “average size”. That means a lot of the men asked size were maybe that size .. but there are millions of guys they don’t ask or guys say it’s no one’s business
That’s… not how statistics work though. And they are not supposed to reflect reality but show tendencies. It’s more about probability and it’s a part of science that has its own methodology that helps with accuracy of the research. Average size when it comes to dick stats is just mediana, which doesn’t mean the most guys has that size, because there might be no respondent with that size, but rather with all the dicks combined that‘s the size in the middle of the road. However, you hooking up with an Asian with 7inch cock doesn’t change the tendency, your personal experiences don’t negate the statistics, that’s just cognitive dissonance.
 
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That’s… not how statistics work though. And they are not supposed to reflect reality but show tendencies. It’s more about probability and it’s a part of science that has its own methodology that helps with accuracy of the research. Average size when it comes to dick stats is just mediana, which doesn’t mean the most guys has that size, because there might be no respondent with that size, but rather with all the dicks combined that‘s the size in the middle of the road. However, you hooking up with an Asian with 7inch cock doesn’t change the tendency, your personal experiences don’t negate the statistics, that’s just cognitive dissonance.
I think he just shared a story, telling people that big is possible, Why did you attack him, since the big Asian one is actually possible? Someone just shared a story, Then why are you so emotional? From the most serious scientific point of view, everyone should have data, and then the data is still authentic. The emergence of statistical methods is because it is difficult to carry out such operations in reality, so it is necessary to get more reliable conclusions on limited data, but it is not necessarily reliable. Statistics provide a facet of reality after a series of limiting factors, such as a certain moment, a certain place, a certain country, etc. But there are always people who regard it as the eternal truth of some kind of world, even though it is not in the first place, huh? The focus of the scientific spirit is doubt, isn't it? Instead of saying that you have to confirm what you say because it is scientific thinking that is right. I think I have to say again, that the point of science is to gain the most knowledge about the world by certain methods and effective means, but it will still be wrong. Bravely admitting mistakes is the key part of the scientific spirit, not turning science into some kind of medieval Christianity, Whose key task is to discover heresy that is different from themselves, instead of admitting mistakes. As a scientific researcher, especially a biostatistician, what I hate most is the misunderstanding or even the opposite application of the scientific spirit of the scientific research colleges or others. Don't turn science into a religion of the new era.
Is it not the trend and possibility that we want to talk about here that there are no interracial differences? Or is the tendency you are talking about different from what I am talking about here? If we all agree that racial differences do not exist and that the myth of Asian smallness has been smashed, then there is no need to be angry about a person sharing a story about his date with an Asian with a big penis.
What you are doing is just how politicians use statistics to manipulate people's minds, confusing objective statistics with cultural trends for the name of diversity, which is the heart of a new kind of conservative, by which governments tell the people who should be supposed to be a united front by all kinds of pressure appears in their lives apart. I suspect you may be or may be not a leftist. Don't you realize what is happening? Or should I put it another way? Isn't this another version of the Metanarrative? If you are really a leftist liberal, then I really have to say that you should reflect on your views, because there are still many contradictions before and after. If you're a rightist, you're doing a great job there. Through a cultural policy that has never stopped since the Cold War, manipulating people's thoughts as conscious participants or unconscious participants.
Or to put it more simply, you may need some help pouring out your emotions instead of dumping your trash on someone who has done nothing wrong at all
 
You know some people are so hooked up on sizes .. I don’t have to worry about being considered small.. but when I meet a guy.. and get to either knowing him or just meeting for sex.. when I see his penis I could care what statistic he is..

Whether he is small or average or consider big/huge .. all I know is I will treat that dick like all the others before him..


So all I really worry about is who I am with not the other billions of cocks out there to be sucked on ..

Gay straight or whatever statistics .. what scientist’s figure out on paper and what there actually is out there in this world is different ..

You can believe in what you believe but I’m not going to message you and listen to you try to preach to me how your way of thinking is correct and mine and many others don’t matter
 
Whether it translates into or has any effect on dick size I don't know but I have seen enough anecdotal evidence in my time to see that nutrition/diet does have an effect on body size and height

I grew up in the upper Midwest in the 70's

I was 5'10 and not super built but not some non muscled wimpy type either

I played baseball where being middle of the road was Ok but guys that were wrestlers were by in large shorter at every stage , more like 5'6 or so when it is all said and done and guys that played Basketball and to a degree floorball were 6 foot or taller and the football players that were not super tall were super built maybe from a lot of time in the weight room which back then basketball and baseball players never did much of

Now the one thing that was true about wrestlers is when JV started almost all of them are almost always for a good portion of the year in not all year around they are starving themselves so that they can "make weight" but during those same 6 years the football and B ball players are eating everything in sight and the result is that the B-ball players may not be super muscular but they were tall, 6'4 or better and while not every football player was a Travis Kelse or a George Kittle even the shorter (by comparison) guys are built about the same

For the next 20 years when I was in the military if I saw some guy and he was shorter than me, in that 5'6" Range but clearly had been an athlete if only HS they were always wrestlers
 
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Whether it translates into or has any effect on dick size I don't know but I have seen enough anecdotal evidence in my time to see that nutrition/diet does have an effect on body size and height

I grew up in the upper Midwest in the 70's

I was 5'10 and not super built but not some non muscled wimpy type either

I played baseball where being middle of the road was Ok but guys that were wrestlers were by in large shorter at every stage , more like 5'6 or so when it is all said and done and guys that played Basketball and to a degree floorball were 6 foot or taller and the football players that were not super tall were super built maybe from a lot of time in the weight room which back then basketball and baseball players never did much of

Now the one thing that was true about wrestlers was that from about the 6th grade on, which is when JV started almost all of them are almost always for a good portion of the year in not all year around they are starving themselves so that they can "make weight" but during those same 6 years the football and B ball players are eating everything in sight and the result is that the B-ball players may not be super muscular but they were tall, 6'4 or better and while not every football player was a Travis Kelse or a George Kittle even the shorter (by comparison) guys are built about the same

For the next 20 years when I was in the military if I saw some guy and he was shorter than me, in that 5'6" Range but clearly had been an athlete if only HS they were always wrestlers
1. Reasonable analogy from the perspective of hormone growth factors and endocrinology is possible.:
"Androgens like testosterone are responsible for penis enlargement and elongation during puberty.[43] Penis size is positively correlated with increasing testosterone levels during puberty.[44] But after puberty, administration of testosterone does not affect penis size, and androgen deficiency in adult men only results in a small decrease in size.[44] Growth hormone (GH) and insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1) are also involved in penis size, with deficiency (such as that observed in growth hormone deficiency or Laron syndrome) at critical developmental stages having the potential to result in micropenis.[45]"

Growth hormone and insulin growth factors (Especially igf-1) are very sensitive to the food eaten by the human body, If we can compare humans and animals together, Human beings undergo tremendous development and changes during puberty. compared to animals, The most important factor is that humans have extremely higher insulin-like growth factor peaks than animals during puberty. In fact, it is even possible to suspect that the penis no longer grows after puberty, precisely because such a peak disappears after puberty

2. In the meantime (Please pay attention to the years)
  • A Korean study (published in 1971) of 702 men ages 21 to 31 identified the average erect penis length to be 12.70 cm (5.00 in).[16] Another study (from 1998) of 150 Koreans found the average erect penis length to be 13.42 cm (5.28 in).[17] The most recent study (published in 2016) of 248 Korean men identified the average erect penis length to be 13.53 cm (5.33 in).[18]
economically:
"South Korea's economy was one of the world's fastest-growing from the early 1960s to the late 1990s, "——wiki
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PPP stands for purchasing power parity in the world
It can be seen that South Korea's economic development has slowed down since 2000, which is parallel to the penis growth speed.
 
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