This Homophobic Gamer D'ont Want To See Any LGBT Characters In Video Games.

[Marco Tony]

This idiot thinks that only straight men are normal and masculine. Therefore any gay characters should not exist in video games. He is very problematic and many homophobic people agree with him. He is so close minded. He just doesnt get that diversity is important and everybody needs to be represented in video games, movies, comic books, ect... His straight privilege shows. Watch the video and you will see how fucked up, careless and egoistical this man is. Everything he says is so vile and wrong in so many ways. His hate for lgbt people is so obvious. He is full of shit and totally ruthless.

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[hotcouple_be]

representation isn't the problem, awful character writting and design is,
and it has become the hallmark of the "woke" era of video games.

i'd be the first to say, beauty has many forms on top of being in the eyes of the beholder, but those characters aren't diversely cool/interesting looking, they're just plain ugly and always the same.

i'm a retro gamer, play games from the 8bits era all the way to today, and it can't even possibly be argued, this gen is the absolute worst there's ever been.

both in term of gameplay, game and character design, writting, and even basic coding, and the FAKE pandering only make it worst.

i've been friend online with a tgirl since the early world of war craft era, she mostly play RPG and was even a huge fan of Dragon Age Origin. so you'd think Dragon Age Veilguard was aimed square at her.

guess what ? she hated the game, for both the story and gameplay, the dialogs only made it worst.

i had the same experience with Cyberpunk 2077, made a big fuss about the fact you could play a trans character, was thrilled to roleplay as a bad ass trans hacker/ninja in a setting where it made perfect sense, would have made the relation with my girl Judy even more meaningfull and powerfull, ...

not a single line of dialog in the entire game was related to it ...

what i'm saying is, the same thing can both stick like a sore thumb or feel sorely lacking depending of the setting.

i assure you, make a great game, meaning great writting, gameplay, design, and not buggy, then add characters who are either cool, bad ass, relatable, cute, ... with relatable qualities and flaws, who just happen to be str8, or gay, or trans, acting in inspiring ways and i assure you nobody would care for one bit.

the issue with modern "diverse" characters, they are only defined by their sexuality and ALL have the same personality, awfully obnoxious ones at that :
they just can't possibly be more stereotypical, and have to obey to so many politicaly correct rules there's pretty much no stories to be told other than "white men bad".

Women aren't allowed to be feminine or have any type of character progression arc, POC are now weakling girl boss orbiters, LGBT characters have no flaws what so ever, ...

now as a (mostly) str8 white guy do i feel pissed to always be represented as the bad guy ? bet your a** i do, but tbh if i was anything else i would feel just as pissed by the current "representation" they're given.

where are the modern equivalent of Ripley ? Vasquez ? Sarah Connor ? you know, girls even the most chauvinistic guys wouldn't feel worthy of kissing the ground they walked on ?

Where are the new bad ass POC characters like Blade, Will Smith in Bad Boys 1/Men in Black, ... ?

when will we finaly be given is the LGBT equivalent of those characters BTW ?

and what make characters like Leonidas, Maximus, William Wallace and the like bad and evil again ?

all i'm saying is, everyone deserve to have inspiring characters, and more meaningfull ones than skin deep representation. hell, i don't even want to be represented, i want characters i can use as role models.

 

[therebrand]

Reminds me of the racist Irish YouTuber, "Ranting Vengeance" or something like that.
He went on and on about black characters in superhero projects.
I stopped listening after 1 minute and went on with my day.

 

[viscountwxyz]

Pay no attention to the peanut gallery. We're here, we're queer, we're not going anywhere unless you kill us all, and even then more will be born because it's the luck of the draw and not something any of us picked.

Also, write better characters. Enough fucking cookie-cutter stereotypes already. We're just like everyone else - a complete cross-section of the human tapestry. Use a little imagination!

 

[heinz.friedrich]

He just doesnt get that diversity is important and everybody needs to be represented in video games, movies, comic books, ect... His straight privilege shows.

I played a lot of Donkey Kong. And those characters are not even human. You do not need to be represented that is just a pandering tool of the game industry.

But they did not think their ideology through. If you promote that representation is important and that you have to see yourself in video games. You say to your audience that you can only play games and identify with the characters when they have your exact identity. That is usually 1 or 2 people in the game and not even the main characters, depending how much identities are important for the advertisers.

And that is also true for straight people.

So this guy fall for the advertisement of the game industry that identity is important, but from another perspective.

So they basically digged their own grave, because they did not understand what social monster they created.

 

[NeoSeek]

These guys make a few good points. I want to believe that any idea can work. It just depends on how it executed, but it feels like society has been moving backwards lately. Everything is criticized for being “woke”, which isn’t even what that word means but that’s a different point.

 

[eggplantbro]

representation isn't the problem, awful character writting and design is,
and it has become the hallmark of the "woke" era of video games.

i'd be the first to say, beauty has many forms on top of being in the eyes of the beholder, but those characters aren't diversely cool/interesting looking, they're just plain ugly and always the same.

i'm a retro gamer, play games from the 8bits era all the way to today, and it can't even possibly be argued, this gen is the absolute worst there's ever been.

both in term of gameplay, game and character design, writting, and even basic coding, and the FAKE pandering only make it worst.

i've been friend online with a tgirl since the early world of war craft era, she mostly play RPG and was even a huge fan of Dragon Age Origin. so you'd think Dragon Age Veilguard was aimed square at her.

guess what ? she hated the game, for both the story and gameplay, the dialogs only made it worst.

i had the same experience with Cyberpunk 2077, made a big fuss about the fact you could play a trans character, was thrilled to roleplay as a bad ass trans hacker/ninja in a setting where it made perfect sense, would have made the relation with my girl Judy even more meaningfull and powerfull, ...

not a single line of dialog in the entire game was related to it ...

what i'm saying is, the same thing can both stick like a sore thumb or feel sorely lacking depending of the setting.

i assure you, make a great game, meaning great writting, gameplay, design, and not buggy, then add characters who are either cool, bad ass, relatable, cute, ... with relatable qualities and flaws, who just happen to be str8, or gay, or trans, acting in inspiring ways and i assure you nobody would care for one bit.

the issue with modern "diverse" characters, they are only defined by their sexuality and ALL have the same personality, awfully obnoxious ones at that :
they just can't possibly be more stereotypical, and have to obey to so many politicaly correct rules there's pretty much no stories to be told other than "white men bad".

Women aren't allowed to be feminine or have any type of character progression arc, POC are now weakling girl boss orbiters, LGBT characters have no flaws what so ever, ...

now as a (mostly) str8 white guy do i feel pissed to always be represented as the bad guy ? bet your a** i do, but tbh if i was anything else i would feel just as pissed by the current "representation" they're given.

where are the modern equivalent of Ripley ? Vasquez ? Sarah Connor ? you know, girls even the most chauvinistic guys wouldn't feel worthy of kissing the ground they walked on ?

Where are the new bad ass POC characters like Blade, Will Smith in Bad Boys 1/Men in Black, ... ?

when will we finaly be given is the LGBT equivalent of those characters BTW ?

and what make characters like Leonidas, Maximus, William Wallace and the like bad and evil again ?

all i'm saying is, everyone deserve to have inspiring characters, and more meaningfull ones than skin deep representation. hell, i don't even want to be represented, i want characters i can use as role models.

I'm a huge dragon age fan, and generally like seeing more diverse representation in games, especially because I'm gay. I agree that the writing in Veilguard is pretty bad, especially in comparison to the earlier games in the series. However, I believe the poor writing is pretty independent of the game's gender and sexuality diversity, because prior entries in the series were equally diverse and didn't have this problem. However, straight people like this youtuber will cherrypick the game as an example of "wokeness making games bad," even though there are plenty of terrible games that only include straight characters, which are never regarded as "straightness making games bad."

 

[hotcouple_be]

well let's be honest, too much wokeness is indeed a problem in current media and entertainement.
it's representation over any kind of substance or basic characters or story developement,
and it even goes much further than that now, they're clearly and openly hating their audience.

it's harming their cause and the people they supposedly want to represent more than anything else.

where was the backlash against the first Lara Croft with Angelina Jollee or Blade with Wesley Snipe 2 or 3 decades ago ?
fast forward to nowadays after 10 years of pushing the progressive message and representation,
and people have never been more divided and at each other throat.

hollywood is dead and we just witnessed the cremation, the western gaming industry is in shamble, every formerly inspiring and decades old succesfull franchises are dead... to archieve what ?

i'm sorry but from anywhere you might stand on the political isle, it clearly wasn't worth it for the result.
it's pretty clear that even with the best intentions, this road lead to hell in a handbasket.
blame either malice or hamfisted attempts, i let you decide, but here we are :/



in the case of Veilguard, i put the blame on EA/higher ups a Bioware far more than on corinne busche herself.

i also hate how some youtubers misgender her on purpose. especially when i can tell she didn't transitioned to follow the trend, on her pre transition picture she looked absolutly miserable,
and much more happy now.

another thing, she didn't attacked gamers even after the backlash, something that can't be said about most current devs, and for this, she defenetly have my respect.

i want to point out nobody was complaining about her when she was making The Sims extensions.
and i'll even argue, had she made a game not called dragon age, with the same intented message,
much better written and a more reasonable budget, ...
i think she would have got none of the backlash and perhaps even some praise.

i think what pissed people the most was the bait and switch, from a franchise that used to be early 2000's edgy to something "made for modern audience".

now let's be honest, how would people react if they started to include warhammer 40K grimdark level stuff into my little poney/cuddle bears ? it'd be just as shocking and insulting for the fans.

sure there's a handfull of assholes who go too far, but are people on average truelly transphobic ? no.
at best perhaps affraid of what they don't know, but it goes away pretty quick as soon as they realise they're just like them.

so i said it and i'll say it again, if they created truelly great and well written LGBT characters,
people would empathize with them just like they naturaly did with POC ones back in the days.
i garantee you.

what i want to say is, discrimination is the stuff people find the more they look for it, and as soon as the demand overtake the supply, they start to find it in any form of criticisms, even the smallest and most warranted ones.

 

[AjjaChuks]

well let's be honest, too much wokeness is indeed a problem in current media and entertainement.
it's representation over any kind of substance or basic characters or story developement,
and it even goes much further than that now, they're clearly and openly hating their audience.

it's harming their cause and the people they supposedly want to represent more than anything else.

where was the backlash against the first Lara Croft with Angelina Jollee or Blade with Wesley Snipe 2 or 3 decades ago ?
fast forward to nowadays after 10 years of pushing the progressive message and representation,
and people have never been more divided and at each other throat.

hollywood is dead and we just witnessed the cremation, the western gaming industry is in shamble, every formerly inspiring and decades old succesfull franchises are dead... to archieve what ?

i'm sorry but from anywhere you might stand on the political isle, it clearly wasn't worth it for the result.
it's pretty clear that even with the best intentions, this road lead to hell in a handbasket.
blame either malice or hamfisted attempts, i let you decide, but here we are :/



in the case of Veilguard, i put the blame on EA/higher ups a Bioware far more than on corinne busche herself.

i also hate how some youtubers misgender her on purpose. especially when i can tell she didn't transitioned to follow the trend, on her pre transition picture she looked absolutly miserable,
and much more happy now.

another thing, she didn't attacked gamers even after the backlash, something that can't be said about most current devs, and for this, she defenetly have my respect.

i want to point out nobody was complaining about her when she was making The Sims extensions.
and i'll even argue, had she made a game not called dragon age, with the same intented message,
much better written and a more reasonable budget, ...
i think she would have got none of the backlash and perhaps even some praise.

i think what pissed people the most was the bait and switch, from a franchise that used to be early 2000's edgy to something "made for modern audience".

now let's be honest, how would people react if they started to include warhammer 40K grimdark level stuff into my little poney/cuddle bears ? it'd be just as shocking and insulting for the fans.

sure there's a handfull of assholes who go too far, but are people on average truelly transphobic ? no.
at best perhaps affraid of what they don't know, but it goes away pretty quick as soon as they realise they're just like them.

so i said it and i'll say it again, if they created truelly great and well written LGBT characters,
people would empathize with them just like they naturaly did with POC ones back in the days.
i garantee you.

what i want to say is, discrimination is the stuff people find the more they look for it, and as soon as the demand overtake the supply, they start to find it in any form of criticisms, even the smallest and most warranted ones.

Wokeness is a dog whistle coming from non-Black folks since the word has been co-opted and changed to fit anti-Black agendas.

The problem before the bastardization of wokeness was that everyone who played video games was forced to see themselves in—and interact as—straight, white men. There was no issue because the perspective of straight white men had always centered and everyone else was just expected to suspend disbelief, shut up, and play the game.

And now that other stories are being told—other perspectives explored—it's wokeness??

Sometimes, I just think it would be better to admit to racism and white supremacy than to perform all of these mental gymnastics. For decades, we've been told that only straight, white men deserve their stories to be told. And we did that.

But this refusal to acknowledge other perspectives and existences speak to the fragility and insecurity of white supremacy, especially that of the straight, white male. I know due to years of occupation and genocide, people have been forced to abide by eurocentric gender ideologies, but those gender ideologies are NOT the normal state of the world, no matter how much Abrahamic religions shove them down your throat.

This anti-Wokeness moment—just like every other counter movement to progress in history—is just an excuse for white boys to claim replacement theory is working. It's weak. And y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. But you've positioned yourselves in the world to not feel shame, or be held accountable. So. Fat chance.

 

[NeoSeek]

Wokeness is a dog whistle coming from non-Black folks since the word has been co-opted and changed to fit anti-Black agendas.

The problem before the bastardization of wokeness was that everyone who played video games was forced to see themselves in—and interact as—straight, white men. There was no issue because the perspective of straight white men had always centered and everyone else was just expected to suspend disbelief, shut up, and play the game.

And now that other stories are being told—other perspectives explored—it's wokeness??

Sometimes, I just think it would be better to admit to racism and white supremacy than to perform all of these mental gymnastics. For decades, we've been told that only straight, white men deserve their stories to be told. And we did that.

But this refusal to acknowledge other perspectives and existences speak to the fragility and insecurity of white supremacy, especially that of the straight, white male. I know due to years of occupation and genocide, people have been forced to abide by eurocentric gender ideologies, but those gender ideologies are NOT the normal state of the world, no matter how much Abrahamic religions shove them down your throat.

This anti-Wokeness moment—just like every other counter movement to progress in history—is just an excuse for white boys to claim replacement theory is working. It's weak. And y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. But you've positioned yourselves in the world to not feel shame, or be held accountable. So. Fat chance.

You said it all. Nailed it.

 

[hotcouple_be]

Wokeness is a dog whistle coming from non-Black folks since the word has been co-opted and changed to fit anti-Black agendas.

The problem before the bastardization of wokeness was that everyone who played video games was forced to see themselves in—and interact as—straight, white men. There was no issue because the perspective of straight white men had always centered and everyone else was just expected to suspend disbelief, shut up, and play the game.

And now that other stories are being told—other perspectives explored—it's wokeness??

Sometimes, I just think it would be better to admit to racism and white supremacy than to perform all of these mental gymnastics. For decades, we've been told that only straight, white men deserve their stories to be told. And we did that.

But this refusal to acknowledge other perspectives and existences speak to the fragility and insecurity of white supremacy, especially that of the straight, white male. I know due to years of occupation and genocide, people have been forced to abide by eurocentric gender ideologies, but those gender ideologies are NOT the normal state of the world, no matter how much Abrahamic religions shove them down your throat.

This anti-Wokeness moment—just like every other counter movement to progress in history—is just an excuse for white boys to claim replacement theory is working. It's weak. And y'all should be ashamed of yourselves. But you've positioned yourselves in the world to not feel shame, or be held accountable. So. Fat chance.

oh, so i guess you missed the success of Richard Prior, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Forest Withaker, Wesley Snipe...

all of them lead block busters movies prior to wokeness :x nobody ever complained.

gay representation perhaps ?
the tv show Queer as Folk was made in 2000, was so succesfull it had both a english and a US version.
want older ? The Bird Cage, was a theatre piece, then it was turned into a movie in france, which had 2 sequels, and then a US adaptation.

also, how are "other perspective" being explored, when every woke movies is nothing but tropes, very often even blatantly actually racist ones ?

the games Forsaken and South of Midnight both star a black females, alright no problems,
but then both have absent fathers, and the first one is a criminal who rob money to buy sneakers...
ahem... i mean come on already ...

it's to a point we can now predict entire movies and tv shows from the casting alone ...
how is that art rather than propaganda being hammered over and over and over again ?

the problem is not, and tbh has never been, representation of Poc or lgbt,
the problem is that big corpo are using fake representation to push crappy games and movies,
with horribly written characters and stories, full of tropes, bugs, and freeware level gameplay.
and worst yet, like i said just OOZING with hatred for anyone that isn't part of their group.

and sorry, it's not payback, as this kind of hatred hasn't been seen by any POC or LGBT in the west for if not centuries, at least 5 or 6 decades, needless to say more than any of the people complaining the loudest about it ever experienced themselves.

hatred is bullshit no matter which way it goes, and a smart man once said "an eye for an eye and the entire world will soon be blind", if racism and phobia was horrible back then, it is still today.

the truth is, wokeness isn't failing cause people are horrible german national socialists from the 40's,
it's because the vast majority of people know full well they're not istophobes but are able to judge people on the quality of their character and so aren't falling for the self hatred chtick anymore.

 

[hotcouple_be]

I'm a huge dragon age fan, and generally like seeing more diverse representation in games, especially because I'm gay. I agree that the writing in Veilguard is pretty bad, especially in comparison to the earlier games in the series. However, I believe the poor writing is pretty independent of the game's gender and sexuality diversity, because prior entries in the series were equally diverse and didn't have this problem. However, straight people like this youtuber will cherrypick the game as an example of "wokeness making games bad," even though there are plenty of terrible games that only include straight characters, which are never regarded as "straightness making games bad."

minus a few rage grifters, most of the complains are about the quality of the games/movies rather than anyone having problem with the characters skin color, sex or orientation.

what piss people the most is seeing their beloved franchises getting hijacked and turned into what they weren't to begin with.
the worst part, it hardly ever gain any new fans, and pretty much always alienate the base one.

gatekeeping in nerdom is a myth, there's nobody more welcoming than borderline autistic people when you show some interest in their hobby.

leave the opportunity to a WH40K fan to explain to you the horus heresy or a star wars fan to explain to you why dark vader is a tragic character rather than a vilain and you'll know what i'm talking about.

but at the same time, you don't enter a house someone else lovingly built and decorated for years,
their safe spaces some might say,
to get in their faces and tell them it's crap and need to be destroyed and rebuilt from the top down,
or else don't expect them to show you any kind of respect in return neither.

True diversity doesn't mean everything have to be for everyone, it mean there's something for everyone.
or else it turn into what we have now, tasteless slop no one even care about.

and again, that's why hollywood and the western gaming industry is dying, cause everyone is starting to feel insulted to be lectured for no reasons.

and let's be honest, no gamepass slop level games will ever change the mind of the very few true racist,
and anyone who is not will only see the gameplay and writing for what it is, mediocre at best.
the skin color, sex or orientation of the protagonist is completly irrelevant in the equation.

on the other hand, if only they made characters on the level of a Ripley or a Maximus,
show them having qualities that are universaly recognized as respectable,
people will still champion them for decades, and their difference and special traits will only make them even more bad ass.

what make Ripley so inspiring isn't the fact she acted like a space marine by gunning down aliens,
it's the fact she acted like a mother by not even thinking twice about rushing a freakin' xeno nest to save a girl who was most likely already dead.
and that's precisely for that difference "chuds" are still worshipping her almost 40 years and 2 crappy movies/franchises later ...

but let's just say, i wouldn't expect it to come from the current western entertainement industry...

 

[ELFonMYself]

oh, so i guess you missed the success of Richard Prior, Denzel Washington, Samuel L. Jackson, Will Smith, Morgan Freeman, Danny Glover, Forest Withaker, Wesley Snipe...

all of them lead block busters movies prior to wokeness :x nobody ever complained.

gay representation perhaps ?
the tv show Queer as Folk was made in 2000, was so succesfull it had both a english and a US version.
want older ? The Bird Cage, was a theatre piece, then it was turned into a movie in france, which had 2 sequels, and then a US adaptation.

also, how are "other perspective" being explored, when every woke movies is nothing but tropes, very often even blatantly actually racist ones ?

the games Forsaken and South of Midnight both star a black females, alright no problems,
but then both have absent fathers, and the first one is a criminal who rob money to buy sneakers...
ahem... i mean come on already ...

it's to a point we can now predict entire movies and tv shows from the casting alone ...
how is that art rather than propaganda being hammered over and over and over again ?

the problem is not, and tbh has never been, representation of Poc or lgbt,
the problem is that big corpo are using fake representation to push crappy games and movies,
with horribly written characters and stories, full of tropes, bugs, and freeware level gameplay.
and worst yet, like i said just OOZING with hatred for anyone that isn't part of their group.

and sorry, it's not payback, as this kind of hatred hasn't been seen by any POC or LGBT in the west for if not centuries, at least 5 or 6 decades, needless to say more than any of the people complaining the loudest about it ever experienced themselves.

hatred is bullshit no matter which way it goes, and a smart man once said "an eye for an eye and the entire world will soon be blind", if racism and phobia was horrible back then, it is still today.

the truth is, wokeness isn't failing cause people are horrible german national socialists from the 40's,
it's because the vast majority of people know full well they're not istophobes but are able to judge people on the quality of their character and so aren't falling for the self hatred chtick anymore.

Are you serious? "...as this kind of hatred hasn't been seen by any POC or LGBT in the west for if not centuries, at least 5 or 6 decades..." Bro...wtf?! Conservatives are literally trying to erase trans people in the US every day. There are dozens and dozens of anti-lgbtq+ legislation attempts CONSTANTLY in the US.
Five or six decades?! We just got the right to marry less than 10 years ago in the US. I know because my 10 year wedding anniversary is coming right up. We had a wedding years before that, but it wasn't legal in our state because our state kept voting against marriage equality so we got married again within weeks of the SCOTUS decision.
I have friends who were put through conversion therapy where they were given hormones and then hooked up to electrodes so when they were shown pictures of naked men the scumbags operating these torture chambers would electrocute their testicles to try to make them straight. In my lifetime. Modern days. Not "centuries" ago. I'm in my 40s and that happened to a kid who lived across the street from me growing up. How terrifying do you think that was for other gay kids in our neighborhood? For me, right across the street?!
There is still massive racism and homophobia in this country. Yes there has been SOME better representation of POC and LGBTQ+ in media throughout the years, but it started out really awful. Nothing but bad stereotypes and us being the butt of the jokes.
Things have improved slowly over time, but every time something interesting is made with queer characters or POC there is a massive onslaught of garbage remarks online from straight white cis men big mad they ain't the main character of everything. The trashy remarks are always couched in some thinly veiled attempt at sounding progressive while just being bigots.
"Oh, I don't MIND gay characters, I just hate when they're shoehorned in just to cater to gay audiences. It would be fine if them being gay made sense to the plot." Like, bro...being gay doesn't "make sense to the plot" more or less for any story ever told other than maybe a coming out story. Queer people can be any sort of character in any sort of situation just as easily as straight people.
Or they're big mad because traditionally straight white cis male characters are protrayed as women or POC. When the very first image from Ghostbusters: Answer the Call was seen online it was miles and miles of rage about this "POS movie" that they all literally knew NOTHING about at the time other than a vagina was in the sacred uniform. The online forums were a cesspool of misogynistic garbage.
Not to mention all the times LGBTQ+ people, including actual real people from history, were straight-washed and portrayed as heterosexuals instead. Martian Child with John Cusack is based on a story that is almost 100% entirely autobiographical about the author, a gay widower who adopted a special needs child. Then in the film they made the character straight. Like, why?! The worst part is hearing the producers in behind the scenes footage bragging about how it's a movie about being true to yourself and not giving in to societal expectations to conform and they literally gave in to societal expectations and rewrote the gay guy into a straight guy to conform.
Are things better now? Absolutely. Are we still surrounded by bigoted idiots constantly whinging and complaining about how they aren't represented enough? Also absolutely. Are we also surrounded by bigoted lawmakers trying to take away our rights? Also absolutely. Some things have improved, but not nearly fast enough and not nearly completely enough. We still out here fighting to not be second class citizens.

 

[hotcouple_be]

what one does in the privacy of his bedroom never prevented him or her from archieving anything in life.
centering said life around it on the other hand often did, cause just like with everyone else, most people don't care and don't want to know what you do in said privacy of your bedroom.

have some characters been straight washed by hollywood ? sure, and it's a shame i agree with you.
but is hollywood the whole western society or a very very small, and defenetly not representative percentage of it ?

also hollywood, the place where pretty much every actor is bi ? entertainement bisness, historically THE place where homosexuals always thrived ? rightfully so, against the odds, and in a pure meritocracy, from their cheer talent alone.

and that's the thing, people will recognize talent no matter what, but nobody is forced to praise someone for his/her sexual orientation alone, what many actors seem to think nowadays.

Ian McKellen could make even the most hatefull homophobe STFU, he's freakin' Gandalf and Magneto.
and let's be honest, 99% of the people who doesn't know he's gay yet is more likely to just say "he is ? jeez, never would have guessed, damn, make him even more impressive as an actor" than go "ewwwww, i need to burn my xmen and LOTR dvd collection now".

as i'm sure i said already, Jamie Clayton stepped into the shoes of Pinhead, THE horror icon right next to freddy and jason, did she received any hatred ? the amount of love and praised she received from gorehounds was the like she never saw.

she made everyone who called her a DEI hire when STFU and eat a bag full of crows, and that's exactly how you do it.

nobody is against LGBT characters or representation, we're against crappy entertainement who use LGBT people as shield for criticism, what the vast majority of current entertainement turn out to be.

WE, meaning both us and you deserve MUCH better than that. said it many time, where the LGBT Ripley ? the LGBT Maximus ? are the majority of people really preventing it from happening ?

or does a handfull of people who supposedly champion your cause are too affraid to put their money where their mouth is and greenlight said movie ?

cause i'd be willing to bet you my left nut, write a character on their level, inspire people as much as they did, and you'll get them ready to riot if you ever question the fact they are cannonically lesbi/gay/trans or whatever else. if you've ever been around nerds, you know this fact to be true

might be mistaken, but tbh most of the hatred and combativity i've seen lately came from the LGBT side, and that's when people started having issues with it.
people are over getting called ists and phobes when they are clearly not, you can only get gazlight so much before you just stop trying to please the other side, and then it's only one step away from taking pleasure in pissing them off on purpose. wonderfull vicious circle isn't it ?

so like they said in Full Metal Jacket, life is a shit sammich, and we all get to take a bite.
stop looking for a reason to be offended or victimised, and you'll quickly notice str8 guys eat just as much of it, women do too, if you're trans you might get another flavor, but rest assured it is still shiite, and even if you're rich, at best you might get some chocolate sparkles on it

 

[ELFonMYself]

what one does in the privacy of his bedroom never prevented him or her from archieving anything in life.
centering said life around it on the other hand often did, cause just like with everyone else, most people don't care and don't want to know what you do in said privacy of your bedroom.

have some characters been straight washed by hollywood ? sure, and it's a shame i agree with you.
but is hollywood the whole western society or a very very small, and defenetly not representative percentage of it ?

also hollywood, the place where pretty much every actor is bi ? entertainement bisness, historically THE place where homosexuals always thrived ? rightfully so, against the odds, and in a pure meritocracy, from their cheer talent alone.

and that's the thing, people will recognize talent no matter what, but nobody is forced to praise someone for his/her sexual orientation alone, what many actors seem to think nowadays.

Ian McKellen could make even the most hatefull homophobe STFU, he's freakin' Gandalf and Magneto.
and let's be honest, 99% of the people who doesn't know he's gay yet is more likely to just say "he is ? jeez, never would have guessed, damn, make him even more impressive as an actor" than go "ewwwww, i need to burn my xmen and LOTR dvd collection now".

as i'm sure i said already, Jamie Clayton stepped into the shoes of Pinhead, THE horror icon right next to freddy and jason, did she received any hatred ? the amount of love and praised she received from gorehounds was the like she never saw.

she made everyone who called her a DEI hire when STFU and eat a bag full of crows, and that's exactly how you do it.

nobody is against LGBT characters or representation, we're against crappy entertainement who use LGBT people as shield for criticism, what the vast majority of current entertainement turn out to be.

WE, meaning both us and you deserve MUCH better than that. said it many time, where the LGBT Ripley ? the LGBT Maximus ? are the majority of people really preventing it from happening ?

or does a handfull of people who supposedly champion your cause are too affraid to put their money where their mouth is and greenlight said movie ?

cause i'd be willing to bet you my left nut, write a character on their level, inspire people as much as they did, and you'll get them ready to riot if you ever question the fact they are cannonically lesbi/gay/trans or whatever else. if you've ever been around nerds, you know this fact to be true

might be mistaken, but tbh most of the hatred and combativity i've seen lately came from the LGBT side, and that's when people started having issues with it.
people are over getting called ists and phobes when they are clearly not, you can only get gazlight so much before you just stop trying to please the other side, and then it's only one step away from taking pleasure in pissing them off on purpose. wonderfull vicious circle isn't it ?

so like they said in Full Metal Jacket, life is a shit sammich, and we all get to take a bite.
stop looking for a reason to be offended or victimised, and you'll quickly notice str8 guys eat just as much of it, women do too, if you're trans you might get another flavor, but rest assured it is still shiite, and even if you're rich, at best you might get some chocolate sparkles on it

People passing laws against our very existence is not us "looking for a reason to be offended or victimized" and if you think that's not real, you're the one trying to gaslight us.

 

[hotcouple_be]

what are the articles of those laws ? and what do they contain exactly ?
also "your very existence", bit theatrical much ?

 

[hotcouple_be]

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words of wisdom right here

 

[ELFonMYself]

Oh lord, just scrolled up and read what this person wrote earlier in the conversation. FFS LGBTQ+ characters don't have to have their identity make sense to the plot of a story. Sometimes we're just there. Did it make sense for my family to have a gay son in it? Did it make sense to my job to have a gay employee doing my work? No. So why does it need to make sense to have a gay character defeat a particular enemy or assist the MC in a certain quest or whatever? There doesn't have to be a queer justification for queer characters to exist. They can just exist.

 

[hotcouple_be]

done wasting my time and breath with your permanent victimhood and negativity,
enjoy being bitter and angry at the entire world, you know, the one who owe you precisely 2 things.

jack and shit, and i'm affraid jack just left town. peace out.

 

[EnglishSpaniard]

nobody is against LGBT characters or representation-

LMFAO That is a bold-faced, deadass lie in front of your face and you know it. The pick-me energy is off the charts.

Also, nobody said they were owed anything, but if that’s the narrative you want to stick with if you think it’ll make them pick you then that’s your prerogative I guess.