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A 'Scary' Survey Finding: 4 In 10 Republicans Say Political Violence May Be Necessary

So they took it here. I said it would happen. I watched the political activation codes in Congress and the LFG. Then the media propaganda machine ran with it (with help from corporate Democrats. And finally thru the many violent comments by "patriots" on FB, Twitter, and of course Fox, Brietbart, Newsmax, and the rest.

Where does this lead folks? We can't sweep it under the carpet. Funny memes are no longer funny. Where the fuck does this go?

Note: Political Activation Codes are things like "Good people on both sides". "Stand back and stand by". And "It was nothing more than a day with tourists at the Capital". Those are terms used to activate the dangerous ones.
 

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Not to change the topic or get into a debate over gun control, which is the point when most of my fellow liberals turn against me, but this is the exact reason I've been preaching for years that by the Left being so enamored with bans and restrictions are doing so at their peril.

The wack-nuts already have all they need and are counting on those they are told to hate being defenseless. I think Jan. 6th was just a dry run of what is to come if Trump or any of the Mini-Trumps (like my own governor) win the presidency in 2024; something that has a high probability given the restrictions on voting rights and Biden and the rest of the corporate conservative wing of the Democratic Party shooting themselves in the foot constantly and continuing to snub the working class.

So while I'd like to think saner heads will prevail and democracy will bounce back, but it might take a generation to weed out the growing authoritarianism cancer of Trumpism even long after his orange, corpulent body has faded from the earth. It is too intrenched into the wider GOP body and if they achieve power again the next large-scale attempt at a violent overthrow of democracy will be done right and not the cartoonish MAGA circus of the sixth. And that will be very difficult, if not impossible to come back from.

So what's the solution (beyond mandatory civics and critical thinking classes in education)...I don't know. But I do know both my grandfathers fought fascism abroad and many others died to prevent it's spread to America and we will all be damned if we allow it to take root here from within. That's not hyperbole, just fact.
 
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Not to change the topic or get into a debate over gun control, which is the point when most of my fellow liberals turn against me, but this is the exact reason I've been preaching for years that by the Left being so enamored with bans and restrictions are doing so at their peril.

The wack-nuts already have all they need and are counting on those they are told to hate being defenseless. I think Jan. 6th was just a dry run of what is to come if Trump or any of the Mini-Trumps (like my own governor) win the presidency in 2024; something that has a high probability given the restrictions on voting rights and Biden and the rest of the corporate conservative wing of the Democratic Party shooting themselves in the foot constantly and continuing to snub the working class.

So while I'd like to think saner heads will prevail and democracy will bounce back, but it might take a generation to weed out the growing authoritarianism cancer of Trumpism even long after his orange, corpulent body has faded from the earth. It is too intrenched into the wider GOP body and if they achieve power again the next large-scale attempt at a violent overthrow of democracy will be done right and not the cartoonish MAGA circus of the sixth. And that will be very difficult, if not impossible to come back from.

So what's the solution (beyond mandatory civics and critical thinking classes in education)...I don't know. But I do know both my grandfathers fought fascism abroad and many others died to prevent it's spread to America and we will all be damned if we allow it to take root here from within. That's not hyperbole, just fact.
President Biden is not a conservative democrat. That would be Senators Manchin, Sinema and Kelly. How have the policies of President Biden “snubbed” the working class and what policies of the Republican Party help the working class?
 
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President Biden is not a conservative democrat. That would be Senators Manchin, Sinema and Kelly. How have the policies of President Biden “snubbed” the working class and what policies of the Republican Party help the working class?

Spoken like a true Big D Democrat. So how is he really a conservative democrat that supports many of the Republican positions and has not always defended (if not down right harmed) the working class over the moneyed elites?

Maybe voting for the 1994 crime bill, voting for the Iraq War, voting for Bill Clinton's welfare "reform", voting to overturn Glass-Stegall, opposed school integration, does not support Universal Health Care, does not support $15 minimum wage, dithered on Covid relief to try to get "bipartisanship", does not believe in abolishing the filibuster, let the Covid eviction moratorium expire...need I go on? Oh, and has he tried to reign in or put pressure on those who oppose their own party like Manchin, Sinema and Kelly? Inaction or silence equals agreement.

I'm sure one could find a lot more examples in his 40 year run in politics to prove he has always been a blue dog, center-right Democrat if one is willing to ignore one's Third Way, DLC bias and look it up, but I think I've proven the point. Joe Biden is no more a man-of-the-people progressive than he is a socialist, Marxist liberal who is to the left of Bernie Sanders. His record speaks for itself no matter how hardcores in either party try to portray him as.

And there are no policies of the Republicans that help the working class despite them duping them to think so. Please tell me where I stated that there are or are you just trying to imply I'm somehow a Republican just because I dare to think Biden isn't perfect?
 
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Spoken like a true Big D Democrat. So how is he really a conservative democrat that supports many of the Republican positions and has not always defended (if not down right harmed) the working class over the moneyed elites?

Maybe voting for the 1994 crime bill, voting for the Iraq War, voting for Bill Clinton's welfare "reform", voting to overturn Glass-Stegall, opposed school integration, does not support Universal Health Care, does not support $15 minimum wage, dithered on Covid relief to try to get "bipartisanship", does not believe in abolishing the filibuster, let the Covid eviction moratorium expire...need I go on? Oh, and has he tried to reign in or put pressure on those who oppose their own party like Manchin, Sinema and Kelly? Inaction or silence equals agreement.

I'm sure one could find a lot more examples in his 40 year run in politics to prove he has always been a blue dog, center-right Democrat if one is willing to ignore one's Third Way, DLC bias and look it up, but I think I've proven the point. Joe Biden is no more a man-of-the-people progressive than he is a socialist, Marxist liberal who is to the left of Bernie Sanders. His record speaks for itself no matter how hardcores in either party try to portray him as.

And there are no policies of the Republicans that help the working class despite them duping them to think so. Please tell me where I stated that there are or are you just trying to imply I'm somehow a Republican just because I dare to think Biden isn't perfect?
It's 2021. You still haven't listed any policies that President Biden has implemented that have hurt the working class.
 

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No matter which Democrat is in office, the GOP act like he's the most socialist ever.

Glenn Beck called Obama racist
Fox's Beck: Obama is 'a racist' - - POLITICO.com


Rush called the Clinton Years "America Held Hostage" :
A Rush to judgment . . . and proud of it - Los Angeles Times (latimes.com)

GOP talking heads have never wanted to work with Democrats on anything. "I hope he fails"
McConnel has said if they regain the senate they will absolutely deny Biden and SCOTUS judges like they did Obama.
McConnell says 'highly unlikely' he'd let Biden fill SCOTUS vacancy in 2024 if GOP flips Senate (nbcnews.com)

Just quit excusing the GQP
 

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Not to change the topic or get into a debate over gun control, which is the point when most of my fellow liberals turn against me, but this is the exact reason I've been preaching for years that by the Left being so enamored with bans and restrictions are doing so at their peril.

The wack-nuts already have all they need and are counting on those they are told to hate being defenseless. I think Jan. 6th was just a dry run of what is to come if Trump or any of the Mini-Trumps (like my own governor) win the presidency in 2024; something that has a high probability given the restrictions on voting rights and Biden and the rest of the corporate conservative wing of the Democratic Party shooting themselves in the foot constantly and continuing to snub the working class.

So while I'd like to think saner heads will prevail and democracy will bounce back, but it might take a generation to weed out the growing authoritarianism cancer of Trumpism even long after his orange, corpulent body has faded from the earth. It is too intrenched into the wider GOP body and if they achieve power again the next large-scale attempt at a violent overthrow of democracy will be done right and not the cartoonish MAGA circus of the sixth. And that will be very difficult, if not impossible to come back from.

So what's the solution (beyond mandatory civics and critical thinking classes in education)...I don't know. But I do know both my grandfathers fought fascism abroad and many others died to prevent it's spread to America and we will all be damned if we allow it to take root here from within. That's not hyperbole, just fact.

I'm in agreement with much of what you've said. Admittedly all the violent rhetoric from the right has caused many leftists to second guess their positions on gun control (which is why I haven't had much to say in that thread as of late).

And yes, with the right's efforts at suppressing the vote and giving themselves power to even THROW OUT results THEY don't like, combined with the ideology and policies espoused by far right actors within their own party, AND their embrace of QAnon conspiracy quackery,

AND their efforts to glorify the Capitol insurrections while dismissing the actions and rhetoric of OTHER extremists, separatists, and supremacists ("loving" "tourists" "very fine people" etc.) you are absolutely CORRECT in concluding that democracy will CEASE TO EXIST in America, supplanted by fascism and authoritarianism, should the right EVER achieve full control again.

At this point, I'd say the death of democracy would be an absolute CERTAINTY, should they have it THEIR way.

There’s no doubt — Republicans are a grave threat to our democracy - Chicago Sun-Times
Almost half of Republican voters think states have right to overturn elections, study shows
Call it what it is: "The Radical Fascist Agenda"
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When I posted the violence survey, I didn't give the thought of guns or gun control. That boat left the dock years ago.

To me it is the actual political temperature of the Far Right. Will it be group of marauding overweight magas in convoys looking for libtards? No. But expect a LOT more massacres, lone wolf pot shots. Lots of Kens and Karens... With alcohol, guns, and a red hat.
 

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Gun control we can agree on, that ship has sailed. As someone on the opposite side of the political aisle. We feel very much the same about the Democrats.

Where you see Republicans as fascist, we see Democrats as socialist extremists. Somewhere in the middle there has to be some sort of coming together, putting our differences aside and working for the greater good.

So many on the left are wringing their heads at the thought of the United States Supreme Court being conservative. However, it's perfectly acceptable when it's liberal leaning. While the court itself has been liberal leaning since the 1930's or there about.

If we as a people can put aside our own beliefs and put forth what's best for the country. We'd realize that this country is far greater than big government, social programs, ie: free stuff for everyone. And what can this country do for me?

Those of us on the right realize that someone has to pay for all those programs. The liberals, to us seem totalitarian and socialists. Free healthcare, free money, free housing, free college.

If anyone has taken the time to read Georgia's voting laws, they'd realize that there isn't anything in them that is disenfranchising any voter.

Every four years we get the opportunity to elect a new President.
Sometimes who we're voting for wins, sometimes not. It's part of the political process. If one party was always controlling the three branches of government there would definitely be disenfranchisement of the opposite political party.

I would suggest that we find and build on things that we as a nation can agree on, and build on that.

That is exactly what Manchin and Sinema are trying to do. They know that if they do away with the filibuster, the day will come when they'll be in the minority and want to use it. If they do away with it, it won't be there for future use.
 
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^^^ "I would suggest that we find and build on things that we as a nation can agree on, and build on that."

Well said. The obvious starting point would be to agree that democracy itself must be preserved at all costs. As you say, "sometimes who we're voting for wins, sometimes not. It's part of the political process." Let's all rally around that truth as we move forward under the new administration.
 
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