Two Words No Longer Allowed To Be Used To Describe Trans People

[LPSG Support]

Hi. Over the past few weeks, it has been brought to my attention that two following two terms not acceptable and are offensive... t-r-a-n-n-y and s-h-e-m-a-l-e. I'm running a test right now and have changed it so whenever someone types in either of those words it is changed to trans.

My reason for doing this is because I believe most people who use those two terms don't know they are offensive. So instead of allowing those words to be used, we will automatically edit them for you.

I can't see any reason why someone would "need" to use those words. If you have an issue with this change please, by all means, let me know why.

I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.


NOTE.... I'm posting this in all the Trans sections. Comments here are open to anyone trans or not. This is a discussion.

 

[MizzSummers]

This is the Ask a Transgender Person section, but since everyone seems to ignore the rules and post no matter what demographic they actually belong to...

The word you're saying is fine is a big enough issue that people like RuPaul are criticized for using it. Multiple women who are trans on here have pointed out it's an issue/problem/not okay. Every single woman I know who is trans outside of this site considers it a slur. Are there some who don't mind? I'm sure they exist. I'm also sure that some folks grin and bear it because if they do cam work or in general are a sex worker or something of that nature? It's the terminology that's common. It's an easily used marketing tool and vocabulary that the unwashed masses will recognize.

I've done cam work in the past. I played up to stereotypes that I fucking loathe because it was an easy niche to make money from. Does that mean I hated those stereotypes or slurs any less? Hell no.

It's a slur. It's awful.

I agree. As a trans women most of us view She-male as a slur. I have volunteered with hundreds of trans women, from all over the world and its overall viewed as a term to market and dehumanize trans sex workers. It's derogatory as it is saying they are still. Male, etc. In the countries where it is used in more prominence ( such as Thailand) it's more Commonly used as those places are beacons for sex tourism and its used to. Market sex work. ( these are the words from my Thai trans friends).

As for the term Tran-NY the reason we dislike it is it used in a negative light. Aka "omg did you see Brittany, her makeup makes her look like a Tran-ny" or "Rob's new girlfriend looks like a Tran-ny". So becuase of this and it commonly being used by cis people to insult trans people we no Longer like it.

Some trans women do use these terms amongst eachother as a reclaimed term, but that doesn't make it ok for you to say it.

Some other bad terms to call trans women are "lady Boy" (or any spelling on it, this is used to market Asian trans sex workers) " Chick with A dick" (come. On..) or he-she. Basically.. Just say trans woman and don't use terminology yoi learned from porn. Lol. Abd always remember... We generally preffer you just call Us by our names.

 

[693987]

From all I know the term "sh-e-male" refers to someone who has the appearance and characteristics of a female but has the male reporudctive organs which does not completely equal to the term "trans" and does not apply to female-to-male transition and the people who had "the surgery" to change their gender completely. If anything it's a subcategory of "trans", but it's main use seems to be in porn/sex, to refer to a person who looks like a female, but has a penis and might not play the traditional female role in sex, if you know what I mean. I don't think the term should be deemed offensive and it's not meant to describe a lifestyle, but it's rather a sex thing.
But bottom line is, I don't think it should be identified with the word trans

This is the Ask a Transgender Person section, but since everyone seems to ignore the rules and post no matter what demographic they actually belong to...

The word you're saying is fine is a big enough issue that people like RuPaul are criticized for using it. Multiple women who are trans on here have pointed out it's an issue/problem/not okay. Every single woman I know who is trans outside of this site considers it a slur. Are there some who don't mind? I'm sure they exist. I'm also sure that some folks grin and bear it because if they do cam work or in general are a sex worker or something of that nature? It's the terminology that's common. It's an easily used marketing tool and vocabulary that the unwashed masses will recognize.

I've done cam work in the past. I played up to stereotypes that I fucking loathe because it was an easy niche to make money from. Does that mean I hated those stereotypes or slurs any less? Hell no.

It's a slur. It's awful.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

Ok, I’ll wade in, since @Mr. LPSG seems to be allowing all identity discussion.
For the record, cis woman, here.
I have written award winning articles on transgender youth, and my own kiddo is dealing with gender dysmorphia.

transgenderism is anyone with gender dysmorphia. If the person can live as their personally identified gender or not, surgery or not, doesn’t matter.
What’s under their clothes is NO ONE ELSE’S BUSINESS!
Some folx will never be able to afford all the surgery needed to physically change.
Some will, but in pieces.
I have male clients with a hysterectomy in the medical records.
I have female clients with penises.
Some don’t want surgery, for whatever reason. Not defined by genitalia.

trans, trans, ladyboy/boi, he/she are objectifying terms, and should be on the slag heap of history with racial slurs.

any software will need to spot runarounds. If it filters trans, it will need to get Tran-ny, etc.

 

[1951441]

As someone who is transgender, I appreciate this change! I appreciate any attempt to educate others, and to include the transgender community here. Thank you so much!

 

[MissThing]

Thank you for the change! As a transwoman, I appreciate and share your thought process. I have never cared for the former of the terms and completely abhor the latter of them.

 

[MickeyLee]

Quick rule on word use: if you would not want that word directed at a loved one, don't use it here.

Not difficult, right?

Also. Attitudes change over time, as acceptance and awareness changes. What was jam 10 years ago might get you SM Canceled today. Or, vice versa.

Specific to the words in play here. Both have always been derogatory terms. There was never a time when wither word wasn't intended to marginalize or depersonalize someone. The acceptability of the use of those terms are the only change. Changes brought about by some of the most bad-ass Trans Folks ever to walk the face of the planet.

Now, I respect the preference of the individual. Some folks have reclaimed the no-no words. Some folks know the words will always exist and refuse to give them more power. Some folks are into the fetish scene that has been built up around the Trans community. Some folks have zero fucks to give.

I don't know all the folks. I only know I don't want to cause an ouch. Better to be cautious on a very personal subject. Default to Trans unless someone requests me to address them other wises.

To me, it kinda says a lot about the person clinging to derogatory terms if they are not part of the group. Why the fuck is Tr*** and She*** so important to you? Why doesn't an actual person means more to you than a fucking word?

Stop being gross. Trans folks exist outside of your preferred wank category.

 

[amazzzed2]

Hi. Over the past few weeks, it has been brought to my attention that two following two terms not acceptable and are offensive... t-r-a-n-n-y and s-h-e-m-a-l-e. I'm running a test right now and have changed it so whenever someone types in either of those words it is changed to trans.

My reason for doing this is because I believe most people who use those two terms don't know they are offensive. So instead of allowing those words to be used, we will automatically edit them for you.

I can't see any reason why someone would "need" to use those words. If you have an issue with this change please, by all means, let me know why.

I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.

Thank you. I didn't realize that those words were considered offensive.

 

[Mister2101]

Hi. Over the past few weeks, it has been brought to my attention that two following two terms not acceptable and are offensive... t-r-a-n-n-y and s-h-e-m-a-l-e. I'm running a test right now and have changed it so whenever someone types in either of those words it is changed to trans.

My reason for doing this is because I believe most people who use those two terms don't know they are offensive. So instead of allowing those words to be used, we will automatically edit them for you.

I can't see any reason why someone would "need" to use those words. If you have an issue with this change please, by all means, let me know why.

I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.


NOTE.... I'm posting this in all the Trans sections. Comments here are open to anyone trans or not. This is a discussion.

Well done Mr. LPSG. Long over due in my opinion.

 

[ronin001]

Good to see that technology can filter and correct politically incorrect content
One day there may be technology to filter the way the human mind works, so there will be no need for corrections to be made

 

[Cecil56]

Thank you Mr. LPSG. Been guilty of using those words and had no idea they were offensive.
I'll take your suggestion and use trans in the future.

 

[Scarletbegonia]

Compelled speech will never be allowed.

what speech do you feel is being “compelled” by a community setting it’s own standards?

 

[Betty_Cocker]

This is a good move. This reminds me of a time when offensive words were used to describe a person of color, or a certain ethnic group. It takes constant education and effort but it is worth the time and trouble. As soon as we feel like we are coming to terms and treating people with respect there will always be an opportunity to learn.

 

[Mister2101]

I’m not lumping drag queens, transgendereds and transvestites into one group. Are you?

If you know the difference between drag queens, transgenders and TVs, then why did you bring up this long entry about your interaction with a cross-dresser? This thread is about the offensive use of the terms s--m---'s and T---y's....and acknowledging that many trans women find their use offensive.....no one was really talking about CDs or TVs.......just you...

I've seen your act in other threads......you like to come in and displaying either ignorance or arrogance...or both....try to take over the conversation with your know-it-all and intolerant opinions and views.........every time the conversation then turns antagonistic and ugly.......which is a shame and uncalled for.........

That's my opinion my friend......hope you have a better day....

 

[Scarletbegonia]

This, from the Terms and Rules (link at the bottom of EVERY page), is more than adequate, given how quickly language morphs.
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1. 
   Hate Speech will not be tolerated: Content which primary purpose is to incite or promote hatred towards an identifiable group: Hate speech - Wikipedia
   
   Inappropriate language that is sexist, racist, phobic or otherwise derogatory is not permitted. Name-calling is not permitted.
   
   Sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. are not permitted.
   • LPSG is an inclusive site and is safe for all genders and orientations.

 

[cherryboom66]

It simply isn't that clear-cut or obvious. Especially these days.

How come? You know what slurs are. You know what bullying is. You know what official terms are. For example, if a group of gay men called themselves f*gs to reclaim the word f*gg*t for themselves, would it be acceptable for an outsider to use that term to their face or behind their back? No. Would a white person use the N word to POC who may have reclaimed the word? I hope the answer is no. A slur is a slur is a slur. As an adult you should have the knowledge of what is right and wrong, surely!

 

[ARTYBOLLOX]

Trans people are Valid. Brave. Beautiful. Inspirational. Fearless.

#blacktranslivesmatter #transrightsarehumanrights #istandwithyou

 

[deleted3200]

This thread has become
“Why can we not be good people.”

Agree! I have seen this thread pop up on the main page far too many times. It's such a simple thing, why must this extend into 4 pages? Certain labels are banned. End of story.

What's the problem? Do we have to explicitly tell people the N-word is banned as well?

 

[Always4ever25]

The amount of judgement trans ppl get is insane. Even guys who spend hours online looking through trans porn are not allies. Most of them have an addiction towards mtfs, and purely see us as objects...but men will call themselves allies bc they're sexually attracted to trans ppl. Ppl are just stupid

What's sad is that some trans ppl with 'market' themselves as fetishes...and convey the idea that we all are...

 

[Nexolaris]

The rest of us read the announcements. Are you so special that you cannot?
This very thread has the majority of the slurs listed that we don’t use here. I think f*g is one, and general slurs toward racial groups, but existing at time of new rule names with those words are grandfathered in.

other insults are allowed, such as ginger. I’m not bitching. It just tells me who to avoid.

This sounds nice in theory but does it work in practice?
As it is the subforum that includes announcements has 142 pages of threads. Who joining this site will go through all those pages to look for the relevant information? I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to do so. Also, a thread like this one is in a completely different forum.
It would be nice if there were a forum for actual announcements that contained all the relevant and current information that isn't part of the "Terms and Rules".