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Two Words No Longer Allowed To Be Used To Describe Trans People

Discussion in 'Ask a Transgender Person' started by Shap, Oct 24, 2019.

  1. Experiment_626

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    And this is what is wrong with people and why certain terminology is banned from the site
     
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    No. This is why people pose questions wrapped in anecdotes. It was years ago and I might not be up on the nomenclature for drag queens.
     
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    I’m not lumping drag queens, transgendereds and transvestites into one group. Are you?
     
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    ok, just so you know, heshe is a huge insult, now. I know it was early visibility language but we have learned.
    They were a lovely person. Unless they told you either she or he, they works splendidly. Especially since anytime one talks to another one uses “you.” A humanizing word.
     
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    I’m afraid you’ve answered the wrong question, my dear. The drag queen in the anecdote had no intention of removing anything. He just liked skirts and padding. And makeup. It’s a true story, by the way. What the hell do you think we talked about until my roommates got home? When she takes out her extensions, he wants to be a man.
     
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    Wtf? what’s all this about removing anything on my side?

    and I’m NOT your dear.
     
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    News flash, you’re all ‘my dear’. I will not alter the way I speak whether the person across from me is a man or a woman or a Martian.

    removing: transgendered wish to alter their body; transvestites and drag queens wish to alter their appearance - granted for different reasons. If I have to explain the differences, you ain’t as woke as you might think.
     
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    I don’t claim to be “woke.”
    I know my friends, I know my clientele, I know my family. After that, it’s time to listen and truly hear.

    and you are still going on about some...something and red herring-ing the discussion.
     
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    If you know the difference between drag queens, transgenders and TVs, then why did you bring up this long entry about your interaction with a cross-dresser? This thread is about the offensive use of the terms s--m---'s and T---y's....and acknowledging that many trans women find their use offensive.....no one was really talking about CDs or TVs.......just you...

    I've seen your act in other threads......you like to come in and displaying either ignorance or arrogance...or both....try to take over the conversation with your know-it-all and intolerant opinions and views.........every time the conversation then turns antagonistic and ugly.......which is a shame and uncalled for.........

    That's my opinion my friend......hope you have a better day....
     
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    I said I was under the impression that the term in question was used in reference to transvestites, not transgendered.
     
  11. malakos

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    Have there been extensive, methodologically sound surveys showing this to be the case?
     
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    For the record, I agree that prohibited words ought to be listed in the TOS.

    For one thing, I don't see any drawback to doing this. The only reason I've seen implicitly used against it is something like "well, you ought to intuitively know". There is apparently some resistance to doing this, seemingly out of a sense that it would acknowledge that the offensiveness of these terms is not ordinary knowledge. It isn't clear to me why this point is particularly important. What is so dangerous about admitting they are not ordinary knowledge? I don't think there is any such danger. That people have different experiences that have prevented them from having this awareness with certain terms is just the reality of the matter.

    Another issue is that there actually is some relativity in what is treated as offensive on a cultural / social circle basis. A few posters in this thread commented that they have transsexual friends who appreciate the term tr*nny. I'm personally aware of several popular YouTubers like this who invite their fans to likewise use the term in jest. In some cases it's conceivable that someone wouldn't even be aware that it is often received as offensive. Same exact thing goes for f*g(got). Further, there's a vast diversity of racial/ethnic terms seen as derogatory in some circles and not others. Listing the most common ones wouldn't hurt, nor would allowing a little laxity in informing those who mistakenly use less well known ones (like the example that was brought up earlier in the thread with the P*ki slur).

    Providing a list of banned words up front would simply make the situation clearer, which I think the site should be aiming to be as clear as possible with the TOS. It would also increase the sense of responsibility involved in restricting using these terms. Instead of erroneously expecting people to be aware of the offensiveness of terms like tr*nny, the admins could expect that a poster should be aware by virtue of having read the TOS. I don't see any good reason why the site administration should ever want to opt for obscurity in its expectations of its members.
     
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    This is another example of an offensive term that isn't widely known and it would seem is somewhat relative. I wasn't aware of it having a common insulting connotation. I dated a redheaded guy for years and he used the term ginger to describe himself and never indicated any problems with others using it.
     
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    Honestly, I’m not sure how it got popular in the US. When I heard it used in the UK, southern England in particular, the tone showed it was meant as an insult.
     
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    I am not aware of any particular survey, but various members from the trans community, public and private figures have shared their disgust for this term for its negative connotation with heteronormative society. I’m all for freedom of speech but there are certain words you don’t use out of basic human respect and we all know what they are unless you were raised by wolves or loved on the moon for several years and this is your first day on earth. It’s just an awareness of correct vocabulary and vernacular.
     
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    This, from the Terms and Rules (link at the bottom of EVERY page), is more than adequate, given how quickly language morphs.
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    1. Hate Speech will not be tolerated: Content which primary purpose is to incite or promote hatred towards an identifiable group: Hate speech - Wikipedia

      Inappropriate language that is sexist, racist, phobic or otherwise derogatory is not permitted. Name-calling is not permitted.

      Sexism, homophobia, transphobia etc. are not permitted.
      • LPSG is an inclusive site and is safe for all genders and orientations.
     
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    Seems like everything that is said today is offensive!
    What one person says, Another hates!
     
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    Thought this was about the terms not to be used for trans people not every other word that may be offensive
     
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    Dwarfism is still acceptable as it is the cause, not the individual.
     
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    Actually no. You can be trans whilst not doing a damn thing to your body. Everyone’s journey is different... but that’s besides the point.
     
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    No. As an adult, you should *know* what’s acceptable and what is not. You have been describing words people have used themselves to reclaim, or to soften the abuse. This is niche and doesn’t give anyone else the right to say these words.
     
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    It simply isn't that clear-cut or obvious. Especially these days.
     
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    How come? You know what slurs are. You know what bullying is. You know what official terms are. For example, if a group of gay men called themselves f*gs to reclaim the word f*gg*t for themselves, would it be acceptable for an outsider to use that term to their face or behind their back? No. Would a white person use the N word to POC who may have reclaimed the word? I hope the answer is no. A slur is a slur is a slur. As an adult you should have the knowledge of what is right and wrong, surely!
     
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    The problem is that you just picked the two most obvious examples. Sure, some derogatory words are so well known that it can be expected that one just know them. But others are apparently less well known as offensive.

    The example of "Paki" came up earlier in this thread, and I understand someone in American culture not being brought up to be aware of that being offensive to some. Testimonies of experiences with "***nny" indicate such is somewhat the case with that term.

    I'll mention a couple other examples. I grew up using the term "gypped" to refer to being swindled or cheated. Though retrospectively it the connection is pretty clear, I had never considered that it was a derogatory term. Part of that is because I didn't know how to spell it. Last year, a friend pointed out to me that I should be careful with my usage of the term. I got well into my adult years without being aware of the background of it. The other example is "crip". I grew up with my family casually referring to things related to physical handicaps with this term, e.g. "crip parking". Again, we all just saw this as silly, and I never had any basis for thinking that it could be demeaning. Only just now reflecting on it have I started to consider that may be the case.

    There may be a handful of words that are sufficiently obvious such that it wouldn't be necessary to list them, but most derogatory terms are not so commonly obvious that it wouldn't merit identifying them, especially if there are going to be pockets of people that are not aware of the issues with these terms, and yet are going to be expected to not use them.
     
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    You’d think that was true.
    I think some words are so imbedded, that it’s going to take a while to get them out of idiomatic language.
    In the 2000s, I have heard “Jew you down,” and they said it in front of me. I was speechless.
     
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    This thread has become
    “Why can we not be good people.”
     
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    Trans people are Valid. Brave. Beautiful. Inspirational. Fearless.

    #blacktranslivesmatter #transrightsarehumanrights #istandwithyou

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    Agree! I have seen this thread pop up on the main page far too many times. It's such a simple thing, why must this extend into 4 pages? Certain labels are banned. End of story.

    What's the problem? Do we have to explicitly tell people the N-word is banned as well?
     
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    We have had to, yes.
     
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    [QUOTE="Shap, post: I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.

    NOTE.... I'm posting this in all the Trans sections. Comments here are open to anyone trans or not. This is a discussion. [/QUOTE]
    HI Shap. I recently (yesterday) posted a picture of a beautiful trans woman in the "straight" Beautiful Black Women thread....and immediately got a couple of nasty responses saying I was a troll and an asshole. I have asked the question, why is it OK to have entire threads and individual pictures of lesbians in the straight form....but not a single picture of a trans woman?

    I'm not trying to be an asshole---but I do see the hypocrisy in this approach......and it just seems to be more misunderstanding, possible discrimination and intolerance against trans women. Its like straight men will "tolerate" lesbians because, well, many men think that is hot......but "oh my god" a trans woman....."real" straight men just can't have that in their "straight" section.....while we all know that many many many of these same "straight" men are spending hours and hours looking at pictures, videos, and porn involving trans women.....

    Sorry for the rant. Thoughts?
     
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