Two Words No Longer Allowed To Be Used To Describe Trans People

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For the record, I agree that prohibited words ought to be listed in the TOS.

For one thing, I don't see any drawback to doing this. The only reason I've seen implicitly used against it is something like "well, you ought to intuitively know". There is apparently some resistance to doing this, seemingly out of a sense that it would acknowledge that the offensiveness of these terms is not ordinary knowledge. It isn't clear to me why this point is particularly important. What is so dangerous about admitting they are not ordinary knowledge? I don't think there is any such danger. That people have different experiences that have prevented them from having this awareness with certain terms is just the reality of the matter.

Another issue is that there actually is some relativity in what is treated as offensive on a cultural / social circle basis. A few posters in this thread commented that they have transsexual friends who appreciate the term tr*nny. I'm personally aware of several popular YouTubers like this who invite their fans to likewise use the term in jest. In some cases it's conceivable that someone wouldn't even be aware that it is often received as offensive. Same exact thing goes for f*g(got). Further, there's a vast diversity of racial/ethnic terms seen as derogatory in some circles and not others. Listing the most common ones wouldn't hurt, nor would allowing a little laxity in informing those who mistakenly use less well known ones (like the example that was brought up earlier in the thread with the P*ki slur).

Providing a list of banned words up front would simply make the situation clearer, which I think the site should be aiming to be as clear as possible with the TOS. It would also increase the sense of responsibility involved in restricting using these terms. Instead of erroneously expecting people to be aware of the offensiveness of terms like tr*nny, the admins could expect that a poster should be aware by virtue of having read the TOS. I don't see any good reason why the site administration should ever want to opt for obscurity in its expectations of its members.
No. As an adult, you should *know* what’s acceptable and what is not. You have been describing words people have used themselves to reclaim, or to soften the abuse. This is niche and doesn’t give anyone else the right to say these words.
 

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It simply isn't that clear-cut or obvious. Especially these days.
How come? You know what slurs are. You know what bullying is. You know what official terms are. For example, if a group of gay men called themselves f*gs to reclaim the word f*gg*t for themselves, would it be acceptable for an outsider to use that term to their face or behind their back? No. Would a white person use the N word to POC who may have reclaimed the word? I hope the answer is no. A slur is a slur is a slur. As an adult you should have the knowledge of what is right and wrong, surely!
 

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How come? You know what slurs are. You know what bullying is. You know what official terms are. For example, if a group of gay men called themselves f*gs to reclaim the word f*gg*t for themselves, would it be acceptable for an outsider to use that term to their face or behind their back? No. Would a white person use the N word to POC who may have reclaimed the word? I hope the answer is no. A slur is a slur is a slur. As an adult you should have the knowledge of what is right and wrong, surely!

The problem is that you just picked the two most obvious examples. Sure, some derogatory words are so well known that it can be expected that one just know them. But others are apparently less well known as offensive.

The example of "Paki" came up earlier in this thread, and I understand someone in American culture not being brought up to be aware of that being offensive to some. Testimonies of experiences with "***nny" indicate such is somewhat the case with that term.

I'll mention a couple other examples. I grew up using the term "gypped" to refer to being swindled or cheated. Though retrospectively it the connection is pretty clear, I had never considered that it was a derogatory term. Part of that is because I didn't know how to spell it. Last year, a friend pointed out to me that I should be careful with my usage of the term. I got well into my adult years without being aware of the background of it. The other example is "crip". I grew up with my family casually referring to things related to physical handicaps with this term, e.g. "crip parking". Again, we all just saw this as silly, and I never had any basis for thinking that it could be demeaning. Only just now reflecting on it have I started to consider that may be the case.

There may be a handful of words that are sufficiently obvious such that it wouldn't be necessary to list them, but most derogatory terms are not so commonly obvious that it wouldn't merit identifying them, especially if there are going to be pockets of people that are not aware of the issues with these terms, and yet are going to be expected to not use them.
 

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How come? You know what slurs are. You know what bullying is. You know what official terms are. For example, if a group of gay men called themselves f*gs to reclaim the word f*gg*t for themselves, would it be acceptable for an outsider to use that term to their face or behind their back? No. Would a white person use the N word to POC who may have reclaimed the word? I hope the answer is no. A slur is a slur is a slur. As an adult you should have the knowledge of what is right and wrong, surely!

You’d think that was true.
I think some words are so imbedded, that it’s going to take a while to get them out of idiomatic language.
In the 2000s, I have heard “Jew you down,” and they said it in front of me. I was speechless.
 

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Agree! I have seen this thread pop up on the main page far too many times. It's such a simple thing, why must this extend into 4 pages? Certain labels are banned. End of story.

What's the problem? Do we have to explicitly tell people the N-word is banned as well?
We have had to, yes.
 
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[QUOTE="Mr. LPSG, post: I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.

NOTE.... I'm posting this in all the Trans sections. Comments here are open to anyone trans or not. This is a discussion. [/QUOTE]
HI Mr. LPSG. I recently (yesterday) posted a picture of a beautiful trans woman in the "straight" Beautiful Black Women thread....and immediately got a couple of nasty responses saying I was a troll and an asshole. I have asked the question, why is it OK to have entire threads and individual pictures of lesbians in the straight form....but not a single picture of a trans woman?

I'm not trying to be an asshole---but I do see the hypocrisy in this approach......and it just seems to be more misunderstanding, possible discrimination and intolerance against trans women. Its like straight men will "tolerate" lesbians because, well, many men think that is hot......but "oh my god" a trans woman....."real" straight men just can't have that in their "straight" section.....while we all know that many many many of these same "straight" men are spending hours and hours looking at pictures, videos, and porn involving trans women.....

Sorry for the rant. Thoughts?
 

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For me t-r-a-n-ny , s-h-e-m-a-le, dickgirl are all pretty derogatory terms. Also I dont like when people say 'they're transgendered'. Or 'they are A transgender'. Sounds dehumanising to me.

I dont see why just saying 'she's trans' Or 'shes transgender' is a problem for some people.
 
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[QUOTE="Mr. LPSG, post: I want LPSG to be a site that welcomes everyone from all walks of life. Historically it has not been very kind and welcoming to the Trans community and I would like to change that. This is the first step in doing so.

NOTE.... I'm posting this in all the Trans sections. Comments here are open to anyone trans or not. This is a discussion.
HI Mr. LPSG. I recently (yesterday) posted a picture of a beautiful trans woman in the "straight" Beautiful Black Women thread....and immediately got a couple of nasty responses saying I was a troll and an asshole. I have asked the question, why is it OK to have entire threads and individual pictures of lesbians in the straight form....but not a single picture of a trans woman?

I'm not trying to be an asshole---but I do see the hypocrisy in this approach......and it just seems to be more misunderstanding, possible discrimination and intolerance against trans women. Its like straight men will "tolerate" lesbians because, well, many men think that is hot......but "oh my god" a trans woman....."real" straight men just can't have that in their "straight" section.....while we all know that many many many of these same "straight" men are spending hours and hours looking at pictures, videos, and porn involving trans women.....

Sorry for the rant. Thoughts?[/QUOTE]

When most guys are looking for images or photos of a woman they want to see a person who was born with a vagina. That is just the reality of the world we live in not just LPSG. It doesn't make it right. Like you said the same way lesbian pictures are ok in the straight section but a photo of two guys is not ok.
 

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The amount of judgement trans ppl get is insane. Even guys who spend hours online looking through trans porn are not allies. Most of them have an addiction towards mtfs, and purely see us as objects...but men will call themselves allies bc they're sexually attracted to trans ppl. Ppl are just stupid : unamused:

What's sad is that some trans ppl with 'market' themselves as fetishes...and convey the idea that we all are...
 

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When most guys are looking for images or photos of a woman they want to see a person who was born with a vagina. That is just the reality of the world we live in not just LPSG. It doesn't make it right. Like you said the same way lesbian pictures are ok in the straight section but a photo of two guys is not ok.[/QUOTE]
Thank you for the response Mr. LPSG. I understand what you are saying....sad to me, but I get it......

Again, thanks for the response.
 
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HI Mr. LPSG. I recently (yesterday) posted a picture of a beautiful trans woman in the "straight" Beautiful Black Women thread....and immediately got a couple of nasty responses saying I was a troll and an asshole. I have asked the question, why is it OK to have entire threads and individual pictures of lesbians in the straight form....but not a single picture of a trans woman?

I'm not trying to be an asshole---but I do see the hypocrisy in this approach......and it just seems to be more misunderstanding, possible discrimination and intolerance against trans women. Its like straight men will "tolerate" lesbians because, well, many men think that is hot......but "oh my god" a trans woman....."real" straight men just can't have that in their "straight" section.....while we all know that many many many of these same "straight" men are spending hours and hours looking at pictures, videos, and porn involving trans women.....

Sorry for the rant. Thoughts?

When most guys are looking for images or photos of a woman they want to see a person who was born with a vagina. That is just the reality of the world we live in not just LPSG. It doesn't make it right. Like you said the same way lesbian pictures are ok in the straight section but a photo of two guys is not ok.[/QUOTE]
Tell that to the 3000 matches I currently have on dating sites. I get what you mean, but “oh well, life is shit and we just have to deal with it” isn’t an answer. Being transphobic is NOT acceptable in any society and it’s not something we should be putting up with.
 

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When most guys are looking for images or photos of a woman they want to see a person who was born with a vagina. That is just the reality of the world we live in not just LPSG. It doesn't make it right. Like you said the same way lesbian pictures are ok in the straight section but a photo of two guys is not ok.
Thank you for the response Mr. LPSG. I understand what you are saying....sad to me, but I get it......

Again, thanks for the response.
I know it is sad I agree. We are doing our best to make progress but situations like these take time.
 
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When most guys are looking for images or photos of a woman they want to see a person who was born with a vagina. That is just the reality of the world we live in not just LPSG. It doesn't make it right. Like you said the same way lesbian pictures are ok in the straight section but a photo of two guys is not ok.
Tell that to the 3000 matches I currently have on dating sites. I get what you mean, but “oh well, life is shit and we just have to deal with it” isn’t an answer. Being transphobic is NOT acceptable in any society and it’s not something we should be putting up with.

I'm simply referring to the mass population. When most men search for a photo of a woman they expect someone born with a vagina. I don't believe it to be transphobic if they don't want to see that. The definition of woman that the majority of society has been taught is that a woman has a vagina. I don't think it is fair to call them transphobic for believing that is that case. I know it must be extremely difficult for the transgender population. I can't even imagine.
 

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The amount of judgement trans ppl get is insane. Even guys who spend hours online looking through trans porn are not allies. Most of them have an addiction towards mtfs, and purely see us as objects...but men will call themselves allies bc they're sexually attracted to trans ppl. Ppl are just stupid : unamused:

What's sad is that some trans ppl with 'market' themselves as fetishes...and convey the idea that we all are...
I agree. I think there are a lot of trans performers who market and really play to the fetishes and it doesn't help.