Why is it culturally ok to make fun of small penises?

[DiamondJoe]

Exactly, still for not ideal for sexual prowess.

That's your idea of what sexual prowess should be, not that of the ancient Greeks.

Forgive me but, once upon a time I was an ancient historian and as such I can confidently state that most of the talk on this page is guff.

The Greeks believed small penises were a sign of intelligence and cultural distinction. Big penises, conversely, were regarded with disdain, a signifier of a lusty, bestial, lowly sex-ogre with animalistic cravings. The ideal Greek man was rational, intellectual and authoritative. He may still have had a lot of sex, but this was unrelated to his penis size, and his small penis allowed him to remain coolly logical.

Today, big penises are seen as valuable and manly, but back then, most evidence points to the fact that small penises were considered better than big ones. One of the reasons historians, such as Kenneth Dover in his landmark book Greek Homosexuality, have suggested that small penises were more culturally valued is that large penises were associated with very specific characteristics: foolishness, lust and ugliness... Meanwhile, the ideal Greek man was rational, intellectual and authoritative. He may still have had a lot of sex, but this was unrelated to his penis size, and his small penis allowed him to remain coolly logical....The ancient Romans might have been more positive towards large penises, but their sculptures continue the trend of small penises. Later, in Renaissance art, sculptors were very specifically influenced by ancient Greek art and their small penis size.

Ellen Oredsson

“Why do all old statues have such small penises?” (NSFW)
The Ideal Penis In History, By Each Obsessed Culture (NSFW)

 

[malakos]

Exactly, still for not ideal for sexual prowess.

Presumably their culture just wasn't that concerned with that consideration. At best, "sexual prowess" as such was probably just a subject of comedies.

 

[deleted1138933]

Presumably their culture just wasn't that concerned with that consideration. At best, "sexual prowess" as such was probably just a subject of comedies.

Obviously it was a concern, otherwise, they would not have any say in the matter either way. And, these is as stated by men, not by women.

 

[deleted1138933]

That's your idea of what sexual prowess should be, not that of the ancient Greeks.

Forgive me but, once upon a time I was an ancient historian and as such I can confidently state that most of the talk on this page is guff.

The Greeks believed small penises were a sign of intelligence and cultural distinction. Big penises, conversely, were regarded with disdain, a signifier of a lusty, bestial, lowly sex-ogre with animalistic cravings. The ideal Greek man was rational, intellectual and authoritative. He may still have had a lot of sex, but this was unrelated to his penis size, and his small penis allowed him to remain coolly logical.

Today, big penises are seen as valuable and manly, but back then, most evidence points to the fact that small penises were considered better than big ones. One of the reasons historians, such as Kenneth Dover in his landmark book Greek Homosexuality, have suggested that small penises were more culturally valued is that large penises were associated with very specific characteristics: foolishness, lust and ugliness... Meanwhile, the ideal Greek man was rational, intellectual and authoritative. He may still have had a lot of sex, but this was unrelated to his penis size, and his small penis allowed him to remain coolly logical....The ancient Romans might have been more positive towards large penises, but their sculptures continue the trend of small penises. Later, in Renaissance art, sculptors were very specifically influenced by ancient Greek art and their small penis size.

Ellen Oredsson

“Why do all old statues have such small penises?” (NSFW)
The Ideal Penis In History, By Each Obsessed Culture (NSFW)

EXACTLY MY POINT. Intellect, logic, reason have nothing to do with. PHYSICAL DESIRE
“The Greeks believed small penises were a sign of intelligence and cultural distinction. Big penises, conversely, were regarded with disdain, a signifier of a lusty, bestial” The BIG onces were still associated with LUST, DESIRE, etc. Furthermore, as you stated, this is a homosexual male perspective, nothing to do with the hard-wired desire of women.

 

[MilfBanger78]

Eh its the way the PC media works, men are fair game. Watch 80% of sitcoms or commercials for the last 20+ yrs, the hubby is portrayed to be a bumbling idiot.

 

[DiamondJoe]

EXACTLY MY POINT. Intellect, logic, reason have nothing to do with. PHYSICAL DESIRE
“The Greeks believed small penises were a sign of intelligence and cultural distinction. Big penises, conversely, were regarded with disdain, a signifier of a lusty, bestial” The BIG onces were still associated with LUST, DESIRE, etc. Furthermore, as you stated, this is a homosexual male perspective, nothing to do with the hard-wired desire of women.

Again, you fail to grasp the central issue of a different point of view, one that is not wholly concerned with nob size... we're not talking about you but about the Greeks.

You, sir, are incapable of stepping outside your own toxic worldview.

Whoever programmed you, whoever gave you your idea of masculinity was an idiot.

 

[MilfBanger78]

EXACTLY MY POINT. Intellect, logic, reason have nothing to do with. PHYSICAL DESIRE
“The Greeks believed small penises were a sign of intelligence and cultural distinction. Big penises, conversely, were regarded with disdain, a signifier of a lusty, bestial” The BIG onces were still associated with LUST, DESIRE, etc. Furthermore, as you stated, this is a homosexual male perspective, nothing to do with the hard-wired desire of women.

Exactly. Its a theme as old as time. Women inherently crave 2 men. a Provider, and a Lust-Fuck. In modern society the provider has been feminized, so the 2 rarely go together. she settles for the dad-bod asst manager that brings home a decent income meanwhile lusts after the pool boy.. bangs her personal trainer etc. In primitive times the dad-bod guy would have been bludgeoned by a superior male or more likely never have even gotten a chance to mate with her to begin with lol. Everytime a new 50 Shades or Magic Mike movie comes out women cream their pants like nerds at a Star Wars premiere. Its primal lust and cant be changed no matter how much the media tries. Go to an adult toy store, not a lot of 4 inch dildos there lol. do the math

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[deleted1138933]

Again, you fail to grasp the central issue of a different point of view, one that is not wholly concerned with nob size... we're not talking about you but about the Greeks.

You, sir, are incapable of stepping outside your own toxic worldview.

Whoever programmed you, whoever gave you your idea of masculinity was an idiot.

Yes, and it is the Greeks themselves too that viewed the large as lustful, not the small. And again it is not the women’s perspective we are getting. Its society as a whole who projects and perceives this.

 

[DiamondJoe]

Yes, and it is the Greeks themselves too that viewed the large as lustful, not the small. And again it is not the women’s perspective we are getting. Its society as a whole who projects and perceives this.

Au contraire, my little chum; it is you who is projecting on to women and society and now the ancient world your toxic view of masculinity that has been widely and consistently debunked... yet you persist. You are projecting your own mores on to a statement I made about how the ancient Greeks distained lust and big dicks - those were not manly in their eyes, only yours.

If everyone tells you you're wrong, at what point do you reconsider what you think you know?

 

[deleted1138933]

Au contraire, my little chum; it is you who is projecting on to women and society and now the ancient world your toxic view of masculinity that has been widely and consistently debunked... yet you persist. You are projecting your own mores on to a statement I made about how the ancient Greeks distained lust and big dicks - those were not manly in their eyes, only yours.

If everyone tells you you're wrong, at what point do you reconsider what you think you know?

Precisely, they still thought of them as objects of LUST and DESIRE. The fact that they may reject and disdain it, still awakes, stirs, and awakes want, desire, lust. Kinda like Puritans,Victorians, and conservative U.S. Christians of today. They may not approve or idealize physical lust and desire, they may try to diminish and steer away from it, but regardless, that is what they WANT AND DESIRE, otherwise, they would not have to struggle against it.

When do I admit I am wrong? When I am PROVEN wrong. Women do not honestly state they actually want, desire, prefer, idealize, and lust over small penises over large (outside humiliation fetiches). No large guy wants to be small, they know all the benefits, advantages, and privileges they get from being big, none of which come from being small.

 

[DiamondJoe]

Precisely, they still thought of them as objects of LUST and DESIRE. The fact that they may reject and disdain it, still awakes, stirs, and awakes want, desire, lust. Kinda like Puritans,Victorians, and conservative U.S. Christians of today. They may not approve or idealize physical lust and desire, they may try to diminish and steer away from it, but regardless, that is what they WANT AND DESIRE, otherwise, they would not have to struggle against it.

When do I admit I am wrong? When I am PROVEN wrong. Women do not honestly state they actually want, desire, prefer, idealize, and lust over small penises over large (outside humiliation fetiches). No large guy wants to be small, they know all the benefits, advantages, and privileges they get from being big, none of which come from being small.

No, not really. You're failing in your attempt to get inside the ancient mind. You're just bringing your own rubbish.

While we're on the subject of your rubbish tho', I honestly think you need to accept your own self-loathing has nothing to do with having a supposed little dick (your dick is fine) and everything to do with wanting big dicks but not being able to say so.

Dude, you're gay.

Embrace it and go get fucked. It's what you need. You will be happier. Trust me.


(free advice, no charge )

 

[622675]

No, not really. You're failing in your attempt to get inside the ancient mind. You're just bringing your own rubbish.

While we're on the subject of your rubbish tho', I honestly think you need to accept your own self-loathing has nothing to do with having a supposed little dick (your dick is fine) and everything to do with wanting big dicks but not being able to say so.

Dude, you're gay.

Embrace it and go get fucked. It's what you need. You will be happier. Trust me.


(free advice, no charge )

I just finished reading a review of some research that made the following point:

“The results indicate that heterosexuality is a performance, rather than a natural expression of sexuality, and that interpretations – not just attractions and behavior – are central to being straight.”

I take that to mean that the importance of big dicks or small dicks would be one of those cultural interpretations and would be relevant to some point in a culture’s development. Interpretations are learned values.

Or to quote Margaret Mead, twentieth-century anthropology

• Human nature is almost unbelievably malleable, responding accurately and contrastingly to contrasting cultural conditions.

 

[sodominsane]

Well below average is complicated. 5.0 is below 5.2, but that’s not terribly below. The 10-15 present, maybe those below 5in? Not many people fall into that category, statistically. Natural selection maybe?

Not that into the measuring of penis but a good indicator of small or below average or large for that matter

is more than a standard deviation away

works for height

average height in American is 5 9
I’m 5 10 I’d say I’m about average.... now standard deviation is 4 inches.... I’d say a guy 6 1 that’s tall

for a dong standard deviation is about .7

so 5 is average start getting to 4 and a half... and below well that seems fair to call it small

 

[DiamondJoe]

I just finished reading a review of some research that made the following point:

“The results indicate that heterosexuality is a performance, rather than a natural expression of sexuality, and that interpretations – not just attractions and behavior – are central to being straight.”

I take that to mean that the importance of big dicks or small dicks would be one of those cultural interpretations and would be relevant to some point in a culture’s development. Interpretations are learned values.

Or to quote Margaret Mead, twentieth-century anthropology

• Human nature is almost unbelievably malleable, responding accurately and contrastingly to contrasting cultural conditions.

Quite

 

[deleted1138933]

No, not really. You're failing in your attempt to get inside the ancient mind. You're just bringing your own rubbish.

While we're on the subject of your rubbish tho', I honestly think you need to accept your own self-loathing has nothing to do with having a supposed little dick (your dick is fine) and everything to do with wanting big dicks but not being able to say so.

Dude, you're gay.

Embrace it and go get fucked. It's what you need. You will be happier. Trust me.


(free advice, no charge )

You have not proven the contrary, big fir Greeks was still object of lust and desires. If it was acceptable for civilized men is beside the point.

Fine for what, the desired, idealized, preference for women? Have not seen that. Every man wants a big dick, look at all the porn. Only difference is is you have you got it. So no, not gay. If I had at LEAST a medium or large dick it would be different. Not like if i do not want women or be desired by them. So keep your stupid, ill advice to yourself.

 

[oralsupport]

I feel like a lot of it is about its function If something is undesirable we make fun of it. Nobody wants a guy with a small penis. And if they do, it’s not to ride it. Because functionally, a small penis brings little if any pleasure. Beauty is subjective, as is what’s considered an acceptable weight. But what can you do with a small dick? Nothing. You can still pleasure your partner, but a little dick is a negative. I could date a guy with a small dick, but he’s not gonna top me. I don’t want to hurt his feelings, or pretend it feels good.

 

[malakos]

big fir Greeks was still object of lust and desires

Nope. That's not the same thing as associating dongs with lustfulness (a vice).

 

[deleted1138933]

Nope. That's not the same thing as associating dongs with lustfulness (a vice).

Yeah. You do sound like a broken record. Why can you not stick to the topic, what do dogs have to do with it? Guess you have no real arguments/proof and its your way to try to save face?

 

[deleted5199391]

Tonight watching Joy Ann Reid hosting on MSNBC she made a "joke" about small penises. I've seen this before on news shows and really all over the place. Why is it politically correct to make fun of small penises yet it would be definitely politically incorrect and universally shunned to make fun of any other genetically caused physical imperfection? Why is it assumed that men with small penises are somehow characteristically flawed when it would never be accepted to connect any other physical imperfection to a character flaw?

Males got to be strong. So when someone makes fun of small dicks, usually other males don't react (people would think they are small, too).
It's basically a consequence of sexism.

 

[MilfBanger78]

Yes big Ds get more sex.

When I watch porn my 8 inch looks like nothing compared to the porn sized ones smh

Spot-on. Thats why I laugh when women say "oh size doesnt matter, its how he uses it lol." In the age of online dating and dick pics, a 7-8 inch guy is gonna get a lot more practice using it than a 4 inch dude. Women hav to say that nonsense to keep appearances up.