Do you support transgender (formerly male) athletes competing against female athletes?

[Hatt_101]

I would say yes they should be allowed to compete but I'm not sure how much hrt would affect performance. Like if they have been transitioning for a while I'd say that would be fair.

I take myself as an example I am a university athlete I am a male high jumper and if I were trans and to compete as a woman right now my lower end jumps would still put me at the top of the female usport rankings where as competing with men I'd be midrange.

I feel like for it to be fair the transition would have to have taken place a good while before competition

 

[rbkwp]

transylvania
uhhmmmm trans/Penns ... oh nevermind
but knowing of some of the trans folk they will see the/a funny side, by my reckoning they seem to have a funnier/quirkier side to nature than many of the supposed normals
then again
if developed as a defensive mechanisim/attitude to being basically persecuted by us, well go figure, as the saying goes


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[Nudistpig]

The ideas operating here are that a) men are inherently better at sport than women b) all men are equal in their sporting ability and c) all women are equal in their sporting ability. d) transwomen are really men (no).

None of these are true. When a transwoman is taking hormones, her entire body changes. Her bone density, her center of balance, her cognitive processing, her coordination, her muscle mass, her endurance, her metabolism, her respiration and oxygenation and so on. Most athletes with training cannot carry over the skills from before the transition to after. If they do, immense effort and lots of retraining are necessary.

So, if after all that, she is able and willing to compete, then why on earth would we expect her to compete with men? The percentage of transwomen winning titles over cis women is not even statistically significant. It happens once or twice and everyone is in mental breakdown because transwomen do sports and sometimes rarely almost never win. If they never won as women where they belong, would y'all prefer they never win in the men's section where they do not? This is about transphobia and transmisia, not fairness. Some people have higher metabolic rates, other greater muscle density, and the genetic range of human difference shows no distinctly male or female phenotypes, just a range from one extreme to the other. That means that many women are better athletes than men, and vice versa. Do we put the better cisgendered women with the men because unfair? No. The absolute nonsense that transwomen are men and taking things away from the poor little weak ladies is misogynist transphobic garbage.

Dude up top with an obvious trans fetish. No pro sport would let you compete as a lady because you say so and wig. Go get your surgery and take your hormones and then tell us about it.

 

[Nudistpig]

How did I "take a shot at transgendered"?

The message is this. If a guy one day decides that he identifies as a woman and wants to compete against women in sports, his rights as a transgender trump the rights of the women who have to compete against him/her, correct?

No, that's you doing drag for laughs and not understanding that pro sports don't let you compete as a woman because you put on a wig, but I expect you will prove us wrong by joining the women's tennis at Wimbledon as Lady Mc Fred Fred (wigs and the right skirt please). Good Luck!

 

[Das_Boot]

No

 

[328982]

I would say yes they should be allowed to compete but I'm not sure how much hrt would affect performance. Like if they have been transitioning for a while I'd say that would be fair.

I take myself as an example I am a university athlete I am a male high jumper and if I were trans and to compete as a woman right now my lower end jumps would still put me at the top of the female usport rankings where as competing with men I'd be midrange.

I feel like for it to be fair the transition would have to have taken place a good while before competition

At school, without training, I was jumping higher than the female world record holder. But then I'm 6’3” and freakishly springy. I just don’t know how you'd set the parameters for fair competition. Maybe height and hormone levels. I don’t know, it's a complex thing, how to balance this fairly. I do feel very sorry for athletes like Caster Semenya who've had to undergo gender testing.

 

[328982]

Interesting account of Renee Richards who competed on the women’s tennis circuit in the 1970s and became Martina Navratilova's coach for a while.

1977: Renee Richards wins game, set and match for transgender rights

 

[rbkwp]

farness in a sport, or sport for sports sake
geuss it used to be at least better tham politics or religion
geuss we could also throw Pistorious in the mix
ie
modern days of competing

 

[englad]

@MickeyLee 's views adequately express my personal views on the topic, i.e. stage of transitioning is key. But that's pretty much by the bye.

My main reaction, though, is to question the motives of the person bringing up the topic in the first place. It smacks of transphobia as the number of transwomen competing and winning in women's sports is negligible.

 

[TexanStar]

My main reaction, though, is to question the motives of the person bringing up the topic in the first place. It smacks of transphobia as the number of transwomen competing and winning in women's sports is negligible.

He's already banned for hate speech. You needn't question too much.

 

[Hatt_101]

At school, without training, I was jumping higher than the female world record holder. But then I'm 6’3” and freakishly springy. I just don’t know how you'd set the parameters for fair competition. Maybe height and hormone levels. I don’t know, it's a complex thing, how to balance this fairly. I do feel very sorry for athletes like Caster Semenya who've had to undergo gender testing.

It would be a hard thing to judge but height I don't think would be an issue I'm 1.82m 6 foot(for you in the US) and I know girls at the other ontario universities who are also High jumpers that are taller or the same height as me. But Ya it would be hard to determine especially track and field. I feel like testing hormone levels would be too invasive but I can't think of another way to be fair

Individual type sports are the ones where the issues are probably the biggest.

 

[328982]

Some people have higher metabolic rates, other greater muscle density, and the genetic range of human difference shows no distinctly male or female phenotypes, just a range from one extreme to the other. That means that many women are better athletes than men, and vice versa.

If that were true then there'd be no good reason to divide sport by gender. Which solves the issue - men, women, cis, trans all compete fairly in the same category. Great, except in reality, at top/pro level there is a significant difference between male and female performance in almost all sports - such that a mediocre male will easily beat the best female. In that scenario you'd barely see a female athlete in any event at the Olympics as they wouldn’t make their national team.

 

[1139089]

No. Their exterior may look like a woman, but their physiology is of a man. What are we gonna do now? Check if the athlete is taking her hormones?

I don't mind transgenders playing in mixed sports, but, when we are talking about a female category, it is not a matter of who is better or worse. Men and women have different physiologies.

 

[TexanStar]

I don't mind transgenders playing in mixed sports

Reminder that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun.

Transgender people or transgender athletes would be an inoffensive way to say it.

 

[1139089]

Reminder that "transgender" is an adjective, not a noun.

Transgender people or transgender athletes would be an inoffensive way to say it.

Really? I didn't know that. Good to know. Thanks.

 

[1342602]

Why cant there be mixed sex sports anyway? But as for this particular issue if its a womans or mans race or WHY then no they should not be allowed to compete just to be fair to the other competitors, otherwise it would be like saying its ok to take drugs to compete against everyone else who has not. Just start mixed gender sports then people can choose themselfs .

 

[TexanStar]

Why cant there be mixed sex sports anyway?.

Intramural (recreational) team sports are often mixxed gender (co-ed) and typically have some rules around gender (e.g. requirement that a minimum number of women be on the field at any given time, etc).

 

[rbkwp]

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but associated
sex is sex,human behaviours just that
if one wants a thread to be specific on one matter well get real,that does not happen
by the tme we all add our thoughts crap and everything else

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