Explaining My Attraction to Men to my Girlfriend

My gf has a preconception, grounded in some personal experience and anecdote that men who are “bisexual” are one step closer to just wanting to only date men. I am hoping to explain to her that 1.) I love her 2.) my attraction to men is purely carnal (I love the thought of fcking the occasional twink and gagging on cock, So arrest me) and I couldn’t imagine long term relationships with men. I am with her wholly.

She's dated and has sex with women. You wouldn't date someone you didn't like, so that implies some emotional connection in addition to the sexual encounters. You are emotionally and sexually connected to her and only her, but have no emotional interest in men. You want some transactional dick and ass. It always seems hypocritical that women can accept their sexual fluidity but struggle with it in their male partners.
 
Hello—

Looking for advice on how to explain this. Basically

1. My(28) girlfriend (26) knows I’m bisexual (but hetero-romantic). She’s also dated/experimented with women.
2. We are in a closed relationship and pending a conversation otherwise that might stay that way.
3. I love her enormously and want to build a life with her. I also want to continue being super honest with her.
4. I am also deeply sexually attracted to men (as well as women) and love non emotional sex with men and women.

My gf has a preconception, grounded in some personal experience and anecdote that men who are “bisexual” are one step closer to just wanting to only date men. I am hoping to explain to her that 1.) I love her 2.) my attraction to men is purely carnal (I love the thought of fcking the occasional twink and gagging on cock, So arrest me) and I couldn’t imagine long term relationships with men. I am with her wholly.

Any advice from guys who’ve had similar experiences? I really want to stress that there’s no chance of me ever leaving her for a man, I just love dudes for the fun of it.
Women do not disconnect emotion from sex as men do, and as you claim you do with other men. A woman is not going to understand, or believe, your homosexual appetite is purely carnal and involves no emotional connection and will not tolerate it for long. If you love her that much, and want to keep her forever, you'll have to give up your homosexual carnal relationships, and any heterosexual carnal relationships for that matter, and devote your physical and emotional self to her completely and exclusively. If you cannot, then this will not end well.
 
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Hello—

Looking for advice on how to explain this. Basically

1. My(28) girlfriend (26) knows I’m bisexual (but hetero-romantic). She’s also dated/experimented with women.
2. We are in a closed relationship and pending a conversation otherwise that might stay that way.
3. I love her enormously and want to build a life with her. I also want to continue being super honest with her.
4. I am also deeply sexually attracted to men (as well as women) and love non emotional sex with men and women.

My gf has a preconception, grounded in some personal experience and anecdote that men who are “bisexual” are one step closer to just wanting to only date men. I am hoping to explain to her that 1.) I love her 2.) my attraction to men is purely carnal (I love the thought of fcking the occasional twink and gagging on cock, So arrest me) and I couldn’t imagine long term relationships with men. I am with her wholly.

Any advice from guys who’ve had similar experiences? I really want to stress that there’s no chance of me ever leaving her for a man, I just love dudes for the fun of it.
So you could imagine a fling with a guy while with her then? No you won't leave her for him... But you still want the option to play? If that's the case... My guy, she's not going to like that.

Here's the thing: She does not care that you have no emotional attachment to men. It is still cheating to her. That's the way it is. Now others bring up the fact that among many men, there is an acceptance of female partner being bi. Why? Guys assume there is an opportunity. Sounds silly I know. But it's a thing.

If you never plan on having a fling with a guy... No reason to tell her. But if you are... Good luck.
 
She's dated and has sex with women. You wouldn't date someone you didn't like, so that implies some emotional connection in addition to the sexual encounters. You are emotionally and sexually connected to her and only her, but have no emotional interest in men. You want some transactional dick and ass. It always seems hypocritical that women can accept their sexual fluidity but struggle with it in their male partners.
Ya that "transactional dick and ass" does not fly with 99% of the ladies. Yes, it seems hypocritical. But we've had enough "cheating is cheating" threads on LPSG to know this is the way it is. For most... A bi man is a cheating man. Period.

Years back, one of my silly pastimes was was to look on old Craigslist and read all the "Married Woman Looking For Another Woman" posts.
 
It always seems hypocritical that women can accept their sexual fluidity but struggle with it in their male partners.
Ideologically yes, but biologically no. There's a reason that polygyny has reigned over most of human history, while polyandry is scant, at best, and it isn't men's preferences.
Even from a purely scientific basis it's been proven that observation of nude breasts is physically beneficial to all genders and sexualities, while penile observation garners none of those benefits for anyone.
The core hypocrisy to me isn't the struggle to accept male sexual homoeroticism in a partner, it's the propensity to champion it on a social basis, without rewarding it on a sexual basis
 
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I should have added this happened when I moved in with her but before we married. She had a lesbian experience when she was in graduate school but the other woman did all the work. (The other woman was a lesbian and went down on her). And most of her friends were gay men.
Lol she's not really rare in that sense...most women I know of have had some sort of lesbian experience and have gay male friends...still typically have an aversion to any homoeroticism they would have to be personally involved with.
 
Hello—

Looking for advice on how to explain this. Basically

1. My(28) girlfriend (26) knows I’m bisexual (but hetero-romantic). She’s also dated/experimented with women.
Good, you've started with honesty. This is something that's super critical, and is something that cannot be rebuilt once it's been shattered. You get the opportunity to do it once and that's it. It seems to me that chose correctly.
2. We are in a closed relationship and pending a conversation otherwise that might stay that way.
Is this what you both want? Have you talked about the differences between love and sex? Have you explored jealousy and passion as serious topics. It is not uncommon in most relationships for physical intimacy to wane after a period of time. It will come back, but you will both have to work at it. Failure to do that work, or differences in rate the desire for physical intimacy declines or returns can lead to significant problems.
3. I love her enormously and want to build a life with her. I also want to continue being super honest with her.
Make sure that these aren't just pretty words. Love can be hard, but honesty can be even harder.
4. I am also deeply sexually attracted to men (as well as women) and love non emotional sex with men and women.
This is a touch concept for those have not explored the differences between sex and love, or who have self-esteem issues, body image issues, or any combination of those things plus anything else that may be applicable. I am in a way the opposite of you, I'm homo-romantic but can be deeply sexually attracted to women, but I don't have "emotional sex" with women.

Most of the guys I have dated have really struggled with that. I don't believe it's a gender thing, it's a "human thing". People might like to know where they stand, and it's uncomfortable when you can't draw a neat box around yourself that indicates where the boundaries are.
My gf has a preconception, grounded in some personal experience and anecdote that men who are “bisexual” are one step closer to just wanting to only date men. I am hoping to explain to her that 1.) I love her 2.) my attraction to men is purely carnal (I love the thought of fcking the occasional twink and gagging on cock, So arrest me) and I couldn’t imagine long term relationships with men. I am with her wholly.
You've kind of given yourself a blueprint for the work you need to do.

Both of you need to explore that preconception, and the things that led to it. This is also going to involve exploring trust, sexuality, and likely self-image. Those are dangerous places for many people. You could find things that will end your relationship, but you could also find things that will strengthen more than you could imagine. Just keep you head about you, and understand the risks you take. That said, you will never gain anything if you don't risk something.

With respect to your love for your girlfriend, explaining is not going to be enough, you're going to have to live your explanation. But she's got to trust your actions, your explanation, and you, and you need to know where the boundaries are. You both do.
Any advice from guys who’ve had similar experiences? I really want to stress that there’s no chance of me ever leaving her for a man, I just love dudes for the fun of it.
If you're in a monogamous relationship with your girlfriend you may have to give up on sex with men. She's not male, and if you're being honest with her and with yourself, you can't go straying and expect her to understand or be happy about it. Having been in the opposite situation (committed relationship with a guy), we both agreed that our relationship was closed and that neither of us was going to stray, in any direction. However, we both acknowledged that we both still masturbated, and that it was perfectly OK for us to explore kinks that the other didn't share through porn and sex toys. It was further agreed that if it started to feel like it was going to go beyond that sort of thing it had to be talked about, lest there be real and lasting damage.

It wasn't perfect, but it did work pretty damned well.
 
She's dated and has sex with women. You wouldn't date someone you didn't like, so that implies some emotional connection in addition to the sexual encounters. You are emotionally and sexually connected to her and only her, but have no emotional interest in men. You want some transactional dick and ass. It always seems hypocritical that women can accept their sexual fluidity but struggle with it in their male partners.

Despite political correctness and social tolerance for homosexuality, the question on women's minds is "Are you man enough?" This is what I don't like about the current situation surrounding sex, we have to dance around the truth of human nature and sexuality.
 
Despite political correctness and social tolerance for homosexuality, the question on women's minds is "Are you man enough?" This is what I don't like about the current situation surrounding sex, we have to dance around the truth of human nature and sexuality.
Ill throw women a bone in this sense ...sort of, in that there's actually a methodology by which women seem less averse to their male partner's homoeroticism; if said male is atop the hypergamous hierarchy by why of socio economics, or much more rarely, if he happens to be in the microcosm of objectively physically desirable men as prescribed by women.
I think "Are you man enough" is a comfortable haunch to lie upon, because as unflattering as a question as it is, there's a biologically sound scapegoat in the question itself that men have to respect...
I think the real questions, that are less flattering and more indicative of what's really being considered are "can I control this situation?", and if not, "is the potential prize of this situation not worth having to exert control over it?"
It all comes down to the position of sexual gatekeeper, a position women will fight tooth and nail to keep, but will also wail and gnash their teeth when it comes to the actual title and corresponding accountability and obligation that comes with it, when it comes to their dealings with the vast majority of men.
 
and any heterosexual carnal relationships for that matter, and devote your physical and emotional self to her completely and exclusively. If you cannot, then this will not end well.
I'm not so convinced about this...there's actually a much higher likelihood she would leave him if he walked in on her cheating than if she walked in on him cheating with another woman. I don't deny women are averse to betrayal but a lot of underlying psychosexual processes aren't as critical of men's heterosexual infidelities as they would like us to believe.
 
This is what I don't like about the current situation surrounding sex, we have to dance around the truth of human nature and sexuality.
If people would get over their social hangups over sex and do what feels good to them they might be happier people.
 
2. We're in a closed relationship and pending a conversation otherwise that might stay that way.
3. I love her enormously and want to continue being super honest with her.
4. I am also deeply sexually attracted to men + women

Are you really "sexually attracted" to all men and women that you come across? Is that true? Even if so, if you can comfortably exist, in that state as a fantasy, without acting upon that urge in reality, then you have the option of not telling your girlfriend anything. However, if you actually want to indulge in sex with other persons - then go ahead and see if she would condone that.
 
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I'm not so convinced about this...there's actually a much higher likelihood she would leave him if he walked in on her cheating than if she walked in on him cheating with another woman. I don't deny women are averse to betrayal but a lot of underlying psychosexual processes aren't as critical of men's heterosexual infidelities as they would like us to believe.
Then he -- or you -- can proceed at his own risk. But is it a risk he is willing to take? Is it the kind of intimacy she wants to share for a lifetime? Will she allow him to have his cake and eat it too? His best bet is to devote himself physically and emotionally to her completely and exclusively; hence, my advice. But I'll concede it is alway pitiful when someone tries to justify a desire by claiming there will be no sacrifices in the process.
 
I disagree. Sex is a psychodrama. For me, that is the appeal of sex.
Please explain. How is a random hookup for example a "psychodrama." this seems like something that would only apply if there are clear psychological conflicts or hangups at play with one or both parties.
 
Please explain. How is a random hookup for example a "psychodrama." this seems like something that would only apply if there are clear psychological conflicts or hangups at play with one or both parties.

Considering the context of this thread, I would argue that sex always has a component to fantasy to it. Even a hookup has a fantasy element to it.

I would argue that hang ups and psychological conflicts are always a component to sex. That’s why I don’t think that sex can ever be liberated. Sex without hangs up could be a form of ideological fantasy, as it denies the complex dynamics of desire, power, and the unconscious that are always at play.

You can learn more by reading Zizek and Lucan.
 
Considering the context of this thread, I would argue that sex always has a component to fantasy to it. Even a hookup has a fantasy element to it.

I would argue that hang ups and psychological conflicts are always a component to sex. That’s why I don’t think that sex can ever be liberated. Sex without hangs up could be a form of ideological fantasy, as it denies the complex dynamics of desire, power, and the unconscious that are always at play.

You can learn more by reading Zizek and Lucan.
I understand your perspective but it does a bit reductive or at least very generalising. Who is to say that everyone has hangups about the sex they're having. Just seems presumptuous.

I'm sure subconsciously maybe... There are always factors at play. But consciously, I don't agree with this perspective. Plenty of sex happens that is perfectly mundane, without depe thoughts or motives or anything like that.
 
Considering the context of this thread, I would argue that sex always has a component to fantasy to it. Even a hookup has a fantasy element to it.

I would argue that hang ups and psychological conflicts are always a component to sex. That’s why I don’t think that sex can ever be liberated. Sex without hangs up could be a form of ideological fantasy, as it denies the complex dynamics of desire, power, and the unconscious that are always at play.

You can learn more by reading Zizek and Lucan.
I think that's the way Mr. Freud explained it to Mrs. Freud when all she wanted was a little snuggle.
 
I understand your perspective but it does a bit reductive or at least very generalising. Who is to say that everyone has hangups about the sex they're having. Just seems presumptuous.

I'm sure subconsciously maybe... There are always factors at play. But consciously, I don't agree with this perspective. Plenty of sex happens that is perfectly mundane, without depe thoughts or motives or anything like that.

This is guy says better than I can.

In substance, sex-positivity is a far cry from how many of the leading theorists of eroticism have approached the subject.

For the grand theorist of eroticism Georges Bataille, drawing on Freud, sexual desire is intertwined with a longing for self-annihilation. According to Bataille, we find refuge from cold individuality in the touch of another by breaking through to a sense of continuity, by “assenting to life up to the point of death”. Good sexuality (or eroticism) is not about simple pleasure seeking, but an encounter with the abyss in the moment right after orgasm (the little death).

Philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer argued that all pleasures, including from sex, come not as some gift from the body, but in the relief of ridding oneself of an unpleasantness (in this case, the sexual drive). It is in the brief post-coital suspension of the mind amongst lovers where sexual bliss is truly found, not in the possessive climax that precedes it.