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[quote author=sammygirly link=board=health;num=1065998783;start=20#22 date=10/16/03 at 12:01:50]Let me just clarify that that's not me....really...ahem.
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Thank goodness, sammy. With eyes like that, it would have to have teeth!
Pecker
(Sign in a maternity ward: No Children Allowed.)
[/quote]Thank goodness, sammy. With eyes like that, it would have to have teeth!
Pecker
(Sign in a maternity ward: No Children Allowed.)
headbang8: [quote author=da_blissmachine link=board=health;num=1065998783;start=0#8 date=10/13/03 at 16:23:35]I have no problem with breasts, but the vaginal shots I've seen in porn are somewhat unnerving[/quote]
I get where you're coming from. First glance at a woman; hey, what's not to like? I could quite get to like moist, red, pouty lips. Silky, smooth skin. Curvy, gorgeous hips. Ripe, bouncy breasts. It seemed so beautiful and feminine and...well, perfect.
Then I encountered my first vagina, and hit the earth with a thud.
I admired women for their almost artificial perfection. But a vagina reminds you: woman is animal.
A few other gay friends who tried to go straight could find parts of women's bodies enchanting, too. Especially breasts. We get the hang of breasts. Easy to understand: nice, playful, gentle, soft, cuddly, funny, cute, innocent.
But downstairs...that's spooky.
Maybe it's because most gay men hold pleasant memories of breasts as an infant. They probably had only one encounter with a vagina, though--a traumatic one, going in the wrong direction. (Well, the wrong direction half the time, anyway). It could really put a fellow off them for good.
I get where you're coming from. First glance at a woman; hey, what's not to like? I could quite get to like moist, red, pouty lips. Silky, smooth skin. Curvy, gorgeous hips. Ripe, bouncy breasts. It seemed so beautiful and feminine and...well, perfect.
Then I encountered my first vagina, and hit the earth with a thud.
I admired women for their almost artificial perfection. But a vagina reminds you: woman is animal.
A few other gay friends who tried to go straight could find parts of women's bodies enchanting, too. Especially breasts. We get the hang of breasts. Easy to understand: nice, playful, gentle, soft, cuddly, funny, cute, innocent.
But downstairs...that's spooky.
Maybe it's because most gay men hold pleasant memories of breasts as an infant. They probably had only one encounter with a vagina, though--a traumatic one, going in the wrong direction. (Well, the wrong direction half the time, anyway). It could really put a fellow off them for good.
ORCABOMBER: Good point Headbang, but until growth tanks become commercially available, we probably all have bad birth experiences!
However, maybe I'm weird, but I look for FEMALE crotch bulges...maybe in reverse!
However, maybe I'm weird, but I look for FEMALE crotch bulges...maybe in reverse!
inquiringmind: Orca,
Don't mind me being obtuse, but... is there really any such thing as a female crotch bulge? I think our bulges might reside a bit higher.....
Inquiring mind
Don't mind me being obtuse, but... is there really any such thing as a female crotch bulge? I think our bulges might reside a bit higher.....
Inquiring mind
ORCABOMBER: InquiringMind, are you a member of the Yahoo LPSG? Then I point you to the photo section, under "Bif's Bulges". That's what I mean.
I think it can be possible to love female bulges too much. *shrugs*
I think it can be possible to love female bulges too much. *shrugs*
wvalady1968: Bliss, when you find out how good that vagina feels and the downright joy it will bring you, you'll fall in love with it.
gigantikok: I think it is normal to not be totally comfortable with the vagina. Maybe that is because I share that in common with you, though. I dont really find the vagina very appealing. Hell, it FEELS great, but I would never get off looking at a "Hustler" magazine. Breasts do much, much more for me. Breasts and the overall figure.
da_blissmachine: I think I have more of a fear of intimacy than the female body after thinking of it.
- jonb,
[quote author=da_blissmachine link=board=health;num=1065998783;start=20#34 date=10/30/03 at 21:16:00]I think I have more of a fear of intimacy than the female body after thinking of it.[/quote]
A lot of people misdiagnose fear of intimacy as fear of the female body. (As my response to Pecker implied, Freud thought men had a subconscious fear that the vagina would swallow the penis. Ah, the wonders of turn-of-the-century Viennese neuroses.)
A lot of people misdiagnose fear of intimacy as fear of the female body. (As my response to Pecker implied, Freud thought men had a subconscious fear that the vagina would swallow the penis. Ah, the wonders of turn-of-the-century Viennese neuroses.)
da_blissmachine: personally i think the only one in Vienna with a neurosis 100 years ago was Freud himself!
- jonb,
[quote author=da_blissmachine link=board=health;num=1065998783;start=20#36 date=10/30/03 at 23:15:06]personally i think the only one in Vienna with a neurosis 100 years ago was Freud himself![/quote]
He was pretty crazy. But in this case, vagina dentata was simply fear of intimacy. (A lot of these, he ignored simple answers: Penis envy's really power envy, and castration anxiety's...actually true; at the time, children caught masturbating were threatened with castration. The Oedipal/Electra's just recapitulationist bull.)
He was pretty crazy. But in this case, vagina dentata was simply fear of intimacy. (A lot of these, he ignored simple answers: Penis envy's really power envy, and castration anxiety's...actually true; at the time, children caught masturbating were threatened with castration. The Oedipal/Electra's just recapitulationist bull.)
da_blissmachine: yes someone not raised with the threat of castration will not fear it... although little boys sometims are a little afraid the first time they see a vagina because they think their mom/sister whoever was born with a penis and had it chopped off. penis envy haha .... if women had had the power men would have "vagina envy"... the Oedipus theory i think basically means we model our relationships after the examples we see, namely our parents. Freud's students and coworkers, namely Carl Jung, really wittled down most of his ideas to nonsense.
An example: last night i had a dream about eating apple pie with my grandmother.
Freud's interpretation: the fact that it is apple pie is a simbol that I am subconsciously afraid of apples but also have the subconscious sexual desire to smear pie on my grandmother and have sex with her. the fact that the dream occured shortly after her death either symbolizes a subconscious fear of dying soon or a sexual attraction towards corpses.
Jung's interpreation: I miss my grandmother and she made excellent apple pies, which I enjoyed eating.
An example: last night i had a dream about eating apple pie with my grandmother.
Freud's interpretation: the fact that it is apple pie is a simbol that I am subconsciously afraid of apples but also have the subconscious sexual desire to smear pie on my grandmother and have sex with her. the fact that the dream occured shortly after her death either symbolizes a subconscious fear of dying soon or a sexual attraction towards corpses.
Jung's interpreation: I miss my grandmother and she made excellent apple pies, which I enjoyed eating.
ORCABOMBER: [quote author=da_blissmachine link=board=health;num=1065998783;start=20#38 date=10/30/03 at 23:34:53]
An example: last night i had a dream about eating apple pie with my grandmother.
Freud's interpretation: the fact that it is apple pie is a simbol that I am subconsciously afraid of apples but also have the subconscious sexual desire to smear pie on my grandmother and have sex with her. the fact that the dream occured shortly after her death either symbolizes a subconscious fear of dying soon or a sexual attraction towards corpses.
Jung's interpreation: I miss my grandmother and she made excellent apple pies, which I enjoyed eating.[/quote]
I am now glad I don't read psychology at uni!
An example: last night i had a dream about eating apple pie with my grandmother.
Freud's interpretation: the fact that it is apple pie is a simbol that I am subconsciously afraid of apples but also have the subconscious sexual desire to smear pie on my grandmother and have sex with her. the fact that the dream occured shortly after her death either symbolizes a subconscious fear of dying soon or a sexual attraction towards corpses.
Jung's interpreation: I miss my grandmother and she made excellent apple pies, which I enjoyed eating.[/quote]
I am now glad I don't read psychology at uni!
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