buddy43610: thanks jt! i won't give up. i've been working at it for too long to do that. buddy
BrownEyedGuy: I've been experimenting with restoration and have tried several devices. The best seems to be the Tug-A-Hoy (www.tugahoy.com). My urologist can see a difference, although I just have much looser skin.
I, too, am very bitter about being mutilated when I was born. My father wanted me left intact as he was. It turns out neither of my parents signed any consent form, and they were not even asked about their wishes. The doctor alone decided that I was going to be cut whether anyone liked it or not. According to my birth records, the doctor "ordered" a circumcision. If the statute of limitations hadn't already run out, I would be suing the hospital.
I, too, am very bitter about being mutilated when I was born. My father wanted me left intact as he was. It turns out neither of my parents signed any consent form, and they were not even asked about their wishes. The doctor alone decided that I was going to be cut whether anyone liked it or not. According to my birth records, the doctor "ordered" a circumcision. If the statute of limitations hadn't already run out, I would be suing the hospital.
prepstudinsc: Why are you bitter about being cut? I am glad I was cut. I know people who have had a lot of problems with their foreskins and had to be cut as adults. My college roomate was cut our Junior year because he had Phimosis. He told me that he was glad he had it done because he had always had problems with his skin.
One of my friends fathers had it done a few years ago for the same reason.
I don't remember anything about being cut, since I was only a day or two old. Haven't had any problems since then.
Then again, there's another one of my friends whos family is all uncut, but they have a gene that makes their foreskin almost non-existant. He told me that all the men in his family are the same way. There is just barely enough skin to cover the corona of the head.
At the gym I've seen him soft, and it looks like he was just cut loosely. He said his father, uncles and brothers are all the same way.
One of my friends fathers had it done a few years ago for the same reason.
I don't remember anything about being cut, since I was only a day or two old. Haven't had any problems since then.
Then again, there's another one of my friends whos family is all uncut, but they have a gene that makes their foreskin almost non-existant. He told me that all the men in his family are the same way. There is just barely enough skin to cover the corona of the head.
At the gym I've seen him soft, and it looks like he was just cut loosely. He said his father, uncles and brothers are all the same way.
longtimelurker: [quote author=prepstudinsc link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#22 date=11/02/03 at 02:36:45]Why are you bitter about being cut? I am glad I was cut. I know people who have had a lot of problems with their foreskins and had to be cut as adults. [/quote]
Why risk surgical complications unecessarily? I mean the appendix hasn't got any real use and I've known people that have had appendicitis (a couple of them nearly died), but we leave that intact.
OK, so it's not a 100% fair comparison, as an appendectomy is far more complicated than circumcision, but the foreskin has evolved for a reason - little is gained from removing it. I really do not get the cleanliness issue, as it's hardly as though you wouldn't wash there anyway.
If you want to get it done for aesthetics, then do it as an adult - don't force your views on your kids before they can have a say in the matter.
Of course, circumcision is far less common in Europe than in the US, and we only tend to do it for religious reasons. I have not known anyone that has had problems (but then it is kinda personal, and not something that you'd carry around a big sign announcing), but if you do, then you can remove it then. Don't risk complications unless you need to.
Why risk surgical complications unecessarily? I mean the appendix hasn't got any real use and I've known people that have had appendicitis (a couple of them nearly died), but we leave that intact.
OK, so it's not a 100% fair comparison, as an appendectomy is far more complicated than circumcision, but the foreskin has evolved for a reason - little is gained from removing it. I really do not get the cleanliness issue, as it's hardly as though you wouldn't wash there anyway.
If you want to get it done for aesthetics, then do it as an adult - don't force your views on your kids before they can have a say in the matter.
Of course, circumcision is far less common in Europe than in the US, and we only tend to do it for religious reasons. I have not known anyone that has had problems (but then it is kinda personal, and not something that you'd carry around a big sign announcing), but if you do, then you can remove it then. Don't risk complications unless you need to.
Tender: [quote author=BrownEyedGuy link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#21 date=11/01/03 at 19:23:17]
I, too, am very bitter about being mutilated when I was born. [/quote]
i wish my SB wasnt cut....
Tender
I, too, am very bitter about being mutilated when I was born. [/quote]
i wish my SB wasnt cut....
Tender
ORCABOMBER: [quote author=Tender link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#24 date=11/03/03 at 18:13:49]
i wish my SB wasnt cut....
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Why Tender?
Okay, I'm not starting the cut vs uncut argument, I just want to hear your view.
i wish my SB wasnt cut....
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Why Tender?
Okay, I'm not starting the cut vs uncut argument, I just want to hear your view.
BrownEyedGuy: Thank you, longtimelurker, for making such a good comparison. I like to say that routine circumcision makes as much sense as pulling a child's teeth when they are healthy. After all, if the child doesn't brush and floss properly, he could have cavities and gum disease. Isn't it better to prevent that before it happens? My urologist said circumcision makes as much sense as cutting off a child's eyelids. It is child abuse.
BrownEyedGuy: If anyone wants to educate themselves on the circumcision issue, check out my website. I have an anti-circumcision page that has lots of interesting links and information.
www.merr.com/users/skyguy
www.merr.com/users/skyguy
rainfletcher: I feel like I have to weigh in on this.
I am very upset about my being cut as a baby. I have the same feelings as some, here. I was cheated out of something important, with no consultation on my part at all.
I've thought of restoring, but it'll never be the same. The skin I used to have, that fulfilled a specific function, is no more, and that blows beyond belief. If there was a rational reason why, it'd be easier, but there isn't. It's just some screwed up cultural thing and no one really even gives it a thought.
I don't know really what my point is. I guess just to express my personal feelings on this subject.
I am very upset about my being cut as a baby. I have the same feelings as some, here. I was cheated out of something important, with no consultation on my part at all.
I've thought of restoring, but it'll never be the same. The skin I used to have, that fulfilled a specific function, is no more, and that blows beyond belief. If there was a rational reason why, it'd be easier, but there isn't. It's just some screwed up cultural thing and no one really even gives it a thought.
I don't know really what my point is. I guess just to express my personal feelings on this subject.
ORCABOMBER: [quote author=BrownEyedGuy link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#27 date=11/04/03 at 19:10:33]If anyone wants to educate themselves on the circumcision issue, check out my website. I have an anti-circumcision page that has lots of interesting links and information.
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Woo, very, very, very nice. You're a model? I am impressed. I've signed your guestbook.
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Woo, very, very, very nice. You're a model? I am impressed.
I've signed your guestbook.ORCABOMBER: [quote author=Rain link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#28 date=11/04/03 at 21:38:47]I feel like I have to weigh in on this. I am very upset about my being cut as a baby. I have the same feelings as some, here. I was cheated out of something important, with no consultation on my part at all. I've thought of restoring, but it'll never be the same. The skin I used to have, that fulfilled a specific function, is no more, and that blows beyond belief. If there was a rational reason why, it'd be easier, but there isn't. It's just some screwed up cultural thing and no one really even gives it a thought. I don't know really what my point is. I guess just to express my personal feelings on this subject.
[/quote] Sorry to hear that, man. I dunno "the why's" either.
[/quote] Sorry to hear that, man. I dunno "the why's" either.
Tender: [quote author=ORCABOMBER link=board=health;num=1048390040;start=20#25 date=11/04/03 at 07:30:28]
Why Tender?
Okay, I'm not starting the cut vs uncut argument, I just want to hear your view.
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ok finally getting around to replying on this.
mainly because i feel he was violated, ie- him not having a choice about doing it.
i am very against it altogether. the majority of men i do not think even realize what they lose.
but you see i do not think it is just him that loses.
that would have been mine as well.
his body also belongs to me, as we are married.
so then makes you wonder how things would be different if it were all there instead of just scars.
that could very well be why my SweetBoy says he cannot feel when i go down on him? or such?
i dont know. i just know i hate it. it was mine too. :'(
Tender
Why Tender?
Okay, I'm not starting the cut vs uncut argument, I just want to hear your view.
[/quote]
ok finally getting around to replying on this.
mainly because i feel he was violated, ie- him not having a choice about doing it.
i am very against it altogether. the majority of men i do not think even realize what they lose.
but you see i do not think it is just him that loses.
that would have been mine as well.
his body also belongs to me, as we are married.
so then makes you wonder how things would be different if it were all there instead of just scars.
that could very well be why my SweetBoy says he cannot feel when i go down on him? or such?
i dont know. i just know i hate it. it was mine too. :'(
Tender
ORCABOMBER: Tender, I know I've said this before, but I do have to commend your devotion and loyalty to your husband.
Excuse the ignorance, because I have no experience in such matters, but are scars normal when circumsied? It sounds like they took him to the cleaners!
Excuse the ignorance, because I have no experience in such matters, but are scars normal when circumsied? It sounds like they took him to the cleaners!
Tender: well yes i would say that scars are "normal"
at least he has one.
and so do others from what i hear.
mainly he just has such a loss of feeling. or should i say not loss, as he doesnt know what IS lost.
does that make sense?
dunno. just seems he cannot feel much ???....
Tender
at least he has one.
and so do others from what i hear.
mainly he just has such a loss of feeling. or should i say not loss, as he doesnt know what IS lost.
does that make sense?
dunno. just seems he cannot feel much ???....
Tender
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