My opinion about a cliche problem: size of asian tools

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This thread is one of the reasons why I hate being an Asian dude, sometimes...

Why though? Do you not realize how superficial that is? I don't get why people hate being what they are because of stereotypes about there demographics. Even if they consider the stereotype negative, that shouldn't be a reason hate what you are. Even the OP doesn't seem to advocate for that, as he spent most of his time responding in a way that suggests that he hates "the stereotype" and what he views as "prejudice", rather than hating himself. I disagree with his reasoning and argumentation, but at least he isn't "self-hating".

If you don't fit the stereotype, then the existence of that stereotype shouldn't impact you. And if you do fit the stereotype, but nothing is wrong with having a small penis, then that also shouldn't impact you either. If people are judging you or putting you down for having a small penis, then that is a problem within their own psyche because there is no rational basis for such a criticism. And if they are judging you or putting you down because you are Asian, then they are just a racist, which is not your problem - but theirs! There is nothing wrong with being Asian. There's nothing wrong with being black, or white, or tall, or short, or gay, or straight, or cisgender, or transgender, or man, or woman. There are stereotypes about all demographics, but that doesn't indicate a problem with the demographic. What you should hate are "prejudiced people" or people who judge others based on superficial things like penis size.

Finally, who decided that having a large penis was preferable to having a smaller one? Modern society? Western society? America? The porn industry? What about the ancient Greeks who largely pioneered philosophy? To them, having a smaller penis was preferably visually, sociologically, and even morally. That's why all of their greatest figures from the Greco-Roman gods to the Christian inspired figures which came later all had small penises, while their grotesque and demonic figures all had large penises. It is cultural perspective that has created this belief that large penis size is "better", not any practical or scientific arguments. And this is something that most people do not consider. This isn't meant to fetishize small penises, but rather to suggest that maybe we should focus our efforts to changing the "culture" so as to promote body positivity and diversity, rather than irrationally prioritizing the value of size? Just a thought...
 

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A fair percentage of those guys and those attachments you left.
Could take advantage of landscaping and get rid of that bush

Again going off of purely anecdotal evidence, it seems that most Asian guys don't landscape. I suspect that this is probably a cultural thing.
 

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Sorry to say, but the moment you quoted Worlddata and Worldpopulationreview you kinda disqualified yourself. We don't talk about made up numbers around here. Feel free to provide real studies that show such big sizes. Just a little hint though: they don't exist.
It's cool that you quote Choi when he says that Koreans are smaller. Thing is. In recent studies (not Kinsey and nonsense like that, rather Wessels or Schneider) western men were not bigger at all. And why would you compare Veale's meta analysis, which has immense flaws (like using bpel as nbpel or even using studies with flawed methodology), to the korean study?
And you really wanna talk about stereotypes? And that they are not based on reality in 99.9% of the cases?

"Sorry to say, but the moment you quoted Worlddata and Worldpopulationreview you kinda disqualified yourself."

It seems that you read my post with selective blinders on because the whole point was to discredit the notion of relying on such data in the first place. Try reading it again, perhaps slower this time...

"Feel free to provide real studies that show such big sizes. Just a little hint though: they don't exist."

Yeah, that was kind of my whole point. But again, you didn't read it!

"It's cool that you quote Choi when he says that Koreans are smaller."

You mean from the very study that YOU cited in order to try to prove the opposite, right?

"Thing is. In recent studies (not Kinsey and nonsense like that, rather Wessels or Schneider) western men were not bigger at all."

Cool. Next time, cite THAT study (feel free to post a link for our consideration). But that's not what you cited. I was just responding to what you posted.

"And why would you compare Veale's meta analysis, which has immense flaws (like using bpel as nbpel or even using studies with flawed methodology), to the korean study?"

I already explained that. Again, go back and read what I wrote instead of just assuming and reacting.
 

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There’s no way a forum like this can address the complexities as demonstrated by the OP opening aND VERY lengthy post. I didn’t even finish it and this stuff is interesting to me. “Academically” I found the presentation very slanted and aggressive. His frustration comes through.

To deny that genetics place developmental stopping points is crazy to me. I can’t have darker skin, have green eyes change the way my pecs innervate (for development - yes it matters) or my height. YES nutrition will aid in expressing some of those genes but genes form development boundaries that cannot be denied. Simply put genetic maximal expression is not the same as socio-political mobility.

With that said and as discussed by others I had a Chinese girl friend IN China and she said I was a little larger than her last boyfriend (also about 6’ tall) who was Chinese. I’ve also had several Chinese women only want to see and hold my junk and said they would never service it. Every Chinese girl that I have had is smaller and tighter by a lot.

Also while living there, there were far many taller Chinese in the Shanghai delta area than anywhere else I traveled or lived. I think nutrition was better but there were what seemed genetics at play as features were different than those in southern China. Perhaps more “pure Han” genetics near Shanghai and Chongqing than Guangdong.

Now my post is too long. Lol Like I said too complicated. so I’ll end here
 

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Sorry to say, but the moment you quoted Worlddata and Worldpopulationreview you kinda disqualified yourself. We don't talk about made up numbers around here. Feel free to provide real studies that show such big sizes. Just a little hint though: they don't exist.
It's cool that you quote Choi when he says that Koreans are smaller. Thing is. In recent studies (not Kinsey and nonsense like that, rather Wessels or Schneider) western men were not bigger at all. And why would you compare Veale's meta analysis, which has immense flaws (like using bpel as nbpel or even using studies with flawed methodology), to the korean study?
And you really wanna talk about stereotypes? And that they are not based on reality in 99.9% of the cases?
When there are more than 200 countries in the world, the countries where we can find reliable large-scale research are probably no more than 30, whereas This type of website/data claims to have enough data to be divided into different groups by continent, even including Sub-Saharan Africa, which people don't know much about, but some persons still stick to it since these data, that even take the experience comes from Medieval(when people still thought that the huge genitals were a symbol of uncivilized and barbaric, and vilify blacks by this impression) erotic novels into account, cater to their preferences and benefits, there is no need to imply them something wrong that they should know then correct by themselves, not everyone is decent enough, especially some people know how to behave but sabotage the whole conversation on purpose just out of their own prejudice in an Indecent way, that they were aware of, given that polite dialog with a sober brain just can not do it.
 

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Wow...really?

1) First of all, I didn't "repeatedly" do anything because that was my first response on this thread. Note: I had no intention of engaging on this point beyond my initial response. But your replies are so absurd that they (collectively) deserve a follow-up – and I hope other people who’ve been on this thread read this as well.

2) I never “stressed” that I have no prejudice. I may indeed have prejudices, despite my goal to recognize and eliminate them whenever I can. But I didn’t express anything prejudiced here. You've crafted an elaborate straw man argument - possibly copied and pasted from arguments you’ve had with others on this topic (as you’ve spent a lot of unnecessary time on this response). But you're not even using the word "prejudice" correctly. There's nothing about my opinion that indicates that I'm prejudging anyone. At best you might say that I'm reinforcing a stereotype (which is different), and that's fair because I never denied that. But that doesn't mean I'm prejudging anyone. Prejudice would be if I said that any random Asian guy will have a small dick because he is Asian. Clearly I didn't say or suggest anything like that. In fact, the reason I stated that flaccid size does not indicate erect size wasn't to appear to be without prejudice. It was to point out the futility of that type of assumption, but you completely ignored that because you'd rather do the straw man argument instead. The purpose was to explain the stereotype from a personal perspective, not advocate for prejudice.

3) How many penises have I seen? I honestly don't know. Probably about 400-500. How many of them were Asian? Maybe 50 or so. How many of that 50 would I personally classify as "small" (flaccid)? The majority. How many would I classify as “large” (flaccid)? None that I can recall. I wasn’t keep score or anything, it’s just something that is easily noticed because anything that is visually significantly above or below average tends to stand out. Is this completely anecdotal evidence? Yes. Is any of this empirical data? No. Should it inform anyone else’s perspective on Asian dick size? No. Did I ever claim that it should? No! What you’ve done was attempt to invalidate my experience because it is unaccompanied by scientific research which is frankly ludicrous! Do I need to collect biographical data on the background of everyone in the military I seen naked? No, I don’t! Because their background isn’t remotely relevant to my observation, which is the only thing that I’m reporting. I know about Danny’s background (he’s from a middle class family and grew up in Waco, Texas). What relevance does that have? None.

4) You can talk about “sample size” all you want but it’s completely irrelevant to anything I said because I never claimed to be providing data from a scientific research paper! I’m providing a personal opinion based on what I’ve seen. I have a bachelor’s degree in psychology and a master's degree in business! I’m very well educated on critical thinking, statistics, research methods, and quantitative data. I understand how sample size works. You don't need to passively aggressively try to “educate” anyone here because I already have that. Your problem is that you're barking up the wrong tree! The fact that I’m making my personal opinion public by sharing it is irrelevant. I don’t need to produce empirical evidence of anything because my goal wasn’t to publish a research paper in a scientific journal, hence I do not require scientific credibility. I gave a perspective based on my subjective experiences which is what informs my beliefs (and apparently the beliefs of many others) in the absence of empirical data, which do you not have!

5) You don’t need to talk to me about how malnutrition affects puberty because I’m already aware of that, yet it’s entirely irrelevant to my point. You are the one attempting to reduce dick size to nutrition, which means you are the one who needs to produce empirical data supporting your hypothesis. But you can’t do that because neither of us knows the nutritional background of any of the people I’ve seen naked. So, it’s is an insanely stupid and pointless argument that you’re trying to make. Is it possible that penis size is related to nutrition? Sure! Is it proven that this is why people perceive Asians to have smaller penises? No. That’s something that YOU would have to demonstrate since that is apparent YOUR argument. The simpler explanation is that there is a genetic component to body shapes and sizes. If you want people to believe that penises are unique and more likely to be driven by nutrition relative to other physical attributes affected by ethnicity, then you need to provide data which supports that. (Maybe you did that in some of your responses; I didn't read all of them to find out). But frankly, I don’t care because I don’t have a dog in that fight. It doesn’t matter to me WHY some penises are small - that's not relevant to my point.

6) To address your question: “Shouldn't you take diversity into account when posting your those public nudity "flaccid" pictures? By posting more pictures about non-Asians”. The answer is NO. The reason is because you’re missing the point (I suspect intentionally at this point). The point here wasn’t to suggest that white people or black people can’t also have small penises. That is another straw man argument! The point was to address the Asian stereotype, which means that to dispel it we should be able to show an equally common diversity of penises sizes within the Asian community. The fact of the matter is most of the ones I see at nude events are small in their flaccid state. Some are average, and very few are large. If you can find images from the WNBR, or the Folsom Street Festival, or nude beaches, or locker rooms of Asians with large flaccid penises – then by all means do so. Things like that are what affect perceptions in reality; not statistical data published in scientific journals. But I can’t ever find that in anything other than porn - can you? I don’t need to search for "large" flaccid black or white dicks at these events in order to see them regularly. The fact that I also happen to see small ones of every race is completely besides the point. The point is I generally do not see large ones among Asian men, and neither does anyone else apparently! Yes, I can type in “small white dick” and find images like the ones you have. You can do that for any race. But I don’t have to type “small Asian dick” to find them. Just do a neutral search for naked men in locker rooms. Avoid porn stars and selfies; focus on the candids. What do you tend to see when they happen to be Asian? Is that a coincidence? Maybe. Is it by design? Possibly (although you have to prove that). But coincidences like that inform perspectives. I was able to find one that I'd call above average flaccid (which I attached for your convenience).

7) To address your comment: “You are also wrong about height. The average height in America is actually similar to the average height in northern China.” – No, I’m actually NOT wrong about height. According to your own link, the average height of an American man is two inches taller than a Chinese man. But the United States is much more ethnically diverse than China, and that stat doesn’t take into consideration race/ethnicity. The average height for a Swedish or German man is 5’11”. People of European descent are taller than people of Asian descent. When it breaks out the US population by race, white people are taller, then black people are next, followed by Asian people. That’s according to your own link, so pay attention before telling other people that they’re “wrong”!

8) All of this is in regards to something that doesn't even really matter that much. In all honesty, I only skimmed though your original post (as it was a bit TL;DR). As a result, I didn't have the full context of what you were trying to do, and I didn't see the original thread you were referencing either (so I still lack that context). But I just went back scrolled through some of the previous comments to get some background and the fact that you're this triggered because anyone else here has an opinion that's different from yours says much more about you than anyone else here. Clearly, you are personally affected by this stereotype but that is a personal insecurity that you are lashing out at us for. If you don't fit the stereotype, then you shouldn't feel emasculated. If you do fit the stereotype, then you also shouldn't feel emasculated because dick size has nothing to do with masculinity. If you had any self confidence at all, this topic (and the existence of the stereotype) shouldn't bother you at all, much less differing opinions about it. It wasn’t my intention to hurt your feelings by expressing my observations about penis size. But because of your arrogance and condescending attitude in your responses, I’m not sorry. If you want to engage honestly (in a good faith discussion) maybe try to remove your emotions from the equation first and respect that other people have different experiences than you do. We can talk about the origins, causes, and effects of stereotypes in a broader discussion, but we can’t do that when you just decide to take a shit on anyone else who offers a perspective which you don’t like.

I really like the penis on the last dude in your post - looks really promising!
Asian guys have beautiful mushroom heads
I have really observed this as well
 
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With that said and as discussed by others I had a Chinese girl friend IN China and she said I was a little larger than her last boyfriend (also about 6’ tall) who was Chinese. I’ve also had several Chinese women only want to see and hold my junk and said they would never service it. Every Chinese girl that I have had is smaller and tighter by a lot.
:joy: Dude you are almost 7 inches girth and probably 8 inches long, :joy:, you talk like if you are average, :sob:You are bigger than the next 1000 dudes, OF COURSE you are going to find EVERY Chinese girl tighter, We are going to find tighter EVERY single ethnicity in this blue planet, I even had a Latina girl that said outright "No, that is not going inside me", where the average is 6inches+.
 

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:joy: Dude you are almost 7 inches girth and probably 8 inches long, :joy:, you talk like if you are average, :sob:You are bigger than the next 1000 dudes, OF COURSE you are going to find EVERY Chinese girl tighter, We are going to find tighter EVERY single ethnicity in this blue planet, I even had a Latina girl that said outright "No, that is not going inside me", where the average is 6inches+.
Yes it was a bad attempt to harmonize with the OP and using my one off boyfriend-of-a-girlfriend is definitely a very small sample size - especially for anecdotal data - and citing my experience with other women in China is, at worst, contradictory to what I was trying to convey since if Asian guys are larger as per the girlfriend then he was right - except - that I said the Chinese women were tighter (implying tighter than “others”) negated my attempt to support. Ramblings of a deranged mind! Mea culpa!
 
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I think one of the fallacies about famine/poverty being the basis behind below average penis size in Asian demographics, is that you have similar famine/poverty situations in African and Caribbean (i.e. black) demographics, and yet there's evidence that they have an above average penis size.
As opposed to questionarie type survey's (where guys will likely lie and pad the figures around their size), look at condom developement where they took actual measurements to try and gauge 'average' sizes.
In Japan and China, the 'medium' condom length is on average 10.9cm (4.3") and 5.2cm (2") in width.
Whereas in America, a condom length is around 7.25" in length and 2" in width.
Meanwhile, a 'magnum' (marketed towards black males) is around 7.75" in length and 2.25" in width.
 

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It's a stereotype but to my personal experience It's mostly true
Oh, personal experience, according to the personal experience I have seen here, I think a lot of "personal experience" people believe only what they believe, learning a lot from themselves, regardless of the reality, even if I have put the relevant materials ahead, and they called "lengthy" out of their own "behavior manners". with prejudice..
 

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It's a stereotype but to my personal experience It's mostly true
As I said earlier, sharing experience does not solve any problem, on the contrary, it will make the argument more, and makes it also more boring, though in fact I also discussed when I was talking about sample size, if a person wants to have enough credibility in his experience for public discussion instead of personal talks, what are the approximate sample size numbers, and how much the errors are and how we can utilize the experience roughly.
Honestly, if I used my experience in China to start this thread by "sharing experience", instead of discussing it as it is now by scientific materials though many people may indeed feel it less interesting, what's the point of this thread?
If the personal experience way is the way used to solve the problem in the end, it may be more boring than talking about the cultural differences among countries with political correctness.
 

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I think one of the fallacies about famine/poverty being the basis behind below average penis size in Asian demographics, is that you have similar famine/poverty situations in African and Caribbean (i.e. black) demographics, and yet there's evidence that they have an above average penis size.
As opposed to questionarie type survey's (where guys will likely lie and pad the figures around their size), look at condom developement where they took actual measurements to try and gauge 'average' sizes.
In Japan and China, the 'medium' condom length is on average 10.9cm (4.3") and 5.2cm (2") in width.
Whereas in America, a condom length is around 7.25" in length and 2" in width.
Meanwhile, a 'magnum' (marketed towards black males) is around 7.75" in length and 2.25" in width.

I actually responded to this question before. , We don't see Africans doing better if we consider scientific report data, not prejudice or media impressions.
Unfortunately, Africa, which you think is equally poor, does not have the same good data as you saying at all, I have already sent African data before, and actually, they are very difficult to find, or do you want to take African-Americans into account, whose genes group has a great amount of Caucasian gene, maybe less than 10% of African ones. , If you really want to do that, for being fair instead of the double standard, then we should think of Latino as Asian, given that there is at least 10% Asian blood in most countries there, and some countries even reach 50%..
It is certainly good not to consider self-reporting, although we have discussed the possible errors of self-reporting in a sense before so that we can roughly utilize those self-reported data. But if you don't want to trust data from self-reports, why do you want to trust data from commercial companies? ,I mentioned earlier that there is some racist data still spreading today, but in fact, many condom data are just them covering a new face.
Aren't the two sets of data similar
International penis sizes compared
https://www.condomsales.com.au/blog/which-countries-have-the-b?ggest-penis-size/
The chief scientist of Ajinomoto Company issued a special report to prove that MSG in food doesn't affect the human brain, but Chinese restaurant syndrome (just out of the purpose that to attract more customers, a large amount of MSG was poured into food by restaurant owners) still often appears, doesn't it?
The more critical question is that the report from the researchers has been sent before, Why talk about condom data when there are reports from researchers, Especially maybe they're just some racist data, not to mention they can't get rid of that it is commercial company research, Even if he follows the formal scientific procedure, he may change his conclusion because of his interest.
,We really don't need to think about business reports if we have large-scale (so it is reliable since data manipulation out of Interest-related purpose in this case becomes extremely difficult, and there are fewer systematic errors) studies to look at them.
 

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I actually responded to this question before. , We don't see Africans doing better if we consider scientific report data, not prejudice or media impressions.
Unfortunately, Africa, which you think is equally poor, does not have the same good data as you saying at all, I have already sent African data before, and actually, they are very difficult to find, or do you want to take African-Americans into account, whose genes group has a great amount of Caucasian gene, maybe less than 10% of African ones. , If you really want to do that, for being fair instead of the double standard, then we should think of Latino as Asian, given that there is at least 10% Asian blood in most countries there, and some countries even reach 50%..
It is certainly good not to consider self-reporting, although we have discussed the possible errors of self-reporting in a sense before so that we can roughly utilize those self-reported data. But if you don't want to trust data from self-reports, why do you want to trust data from commercial companies? ,I mentioned earlier that there is some racist data still spreading today, but in fact, many condom data are just them covering a new face.
Aren't the two sets of data similar
International penis sizes compared
https://www.condomsales.com.au/blog/which-countries-have-the-b?ggest-penis-size/
The chief scientist of Ajinomoto Company issued a special report to prove that MSG in food doesn't affect the human brain, but Chinese restaurant syndrome (just out of the purpose that to attract more customers, a large amount of MSG was poured into food by restaurant owners) still often appears, doesn't it?
The more critical question is that the report from the researchers has been sent before, Why talk about condom data when there are reports from researchers, Especially maybe they're just some racist data, not to mention they can't get rid of that it is commercial company research, Even if he follows the formal scientific procedure, he may change his conclusion because of his interest.
,We really don't need to think about business reports if we have large-scale (so it is reliable since data manipulation out of Interest-related purpose in this case becomes extremely difficult, and there are fewer systematic errors) studies to look at them.
I kind of follow your line of thought although the way it’s written is somewhat contradictory - at least how I read it.

However, I don’t think that condom companies are in the business of being racist. Heuristically, the data would have to be fairly reliable because they are in business to make a profit and if the condoms don’t fit - ie too large or too small - then the product doesn’t sell and no sales = no profit (UNLESS there is no competition to do it better). I would suggest that in all markets - even China - that there is competition and just like the larger part of us who have to buy the more boutique condoms for fit and comfort, so would guys with average sized dicks if the companies made them for racially fictitious small dicks.

Lastly the discussion of famine was provided by the original poster and it’s not unexpected that someone could also respond with comparison of different countries with the same economic conditions but perhaps different results. I read somewhere that the most interesting number is all the dick size studies would be the mode instead of average.

Conclusion - the data from some studies seems to support the concept that Asians have smaller cocks. But as you point out the data sets may not be reliable for many reasons. I think the folks at CalcSD did by far the best job of sifting through the various studies and data using only those which had trustworthy data collection methodologies all collected by professionals, no ED problems and not self reported. Using their data the 50th percentile “average” is 5.28 x 4.53” for “eastern” dicks and 5.79 x 4.74 for “western” dicks. You can read their data methodologies and links to the exact studies used for each regional group on their website calcsd.info.

So the question begs - IF CalcSD is to be trusted, is .5” in length and .2” in girth statistically significant to make a claim that “eastern” is smaller than “western”? Put another way, if a 50th percentile eastern dick is considered a 27th and 38th percentile in length and girth respectively compared to western data is that enough to say they are smaller or is it just people being biased?
 

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I kind of follow your line of thought although the way it’s written is somewhat contradictory - at least how I read it.

However, I don’t think that condom companies are in the business of being racist. Heuristically, the data would have to be fairly reliable because they are in business to make a profit and if the condoms don’t fit - ie too large or too small - then the product doesn’t sell and no sales = no profit (UNLESS there is no competition to do it better). I would suggest that in all markets - even China - that there is competition and just like the larger part of us who have to buy the more boutique condoms for fit and comfort, so would guys with average sized dicks if the companies made them for racially fictitious small dicks.

Lastly the discussion of famine was provided by the original poster and it’s not unexpected that someone could also respond with comparison of different countries with the same economic conditions but perhaps different results. I read somewhere that the most interesting number is all the dick size studies would be the mode instead of average.

Conclusion - the data from some studies seems to support the concept that Asians have smaller cocks. But as you point out the data sets may not be reliable for many reasons. I think the folks at CalcSD did by far the best job of sifting through the various studies and data using only those which had trustworthy data collection methodologies all collected by professionals, no ED problems and not self reported. Using their data the 50th percentile “average” is 5.28 x 4.53” for “eastern” dicks and 5.79 x 4.74 for “western” dicks. You can read their data methodologies and links to the exact studies used for each regional group on their website calcsd.info.

So the question begs - IF CalcSD is to be trusted, is .5” in length and .2” in girth statistically significant to make a claim that “eastern” is smaller than “western”? Put another way, if a 50th percentile eastern dick is considered a 27th and 38th percentile in length and girth respectively compared to western data is that enough to say they are smaller or is it just people being biased?
,The word is contradictory or not deponds on if it is logical, not based on your own assertion..
First, even if these condom companies do not have racist behavior, though honestly there is a high probability that they will do it as part of a cultural propaganda strategy.
(promoted by the US government since they put culture, politics, and economy in an equally important strategic position even in their public speech. Whether it is Snowden's secret file or some reports released by the CIA itself, it shows that they have done this kind of thing, And what we are talking about here is an extension of this kind of thing.)
And, as I said before, even if it doesn't have this kind of racist behavior, actually it's in his own interest as a business company. Just as the porn industry caters to people's stereotypes and goes further to find bigger blacks. I also mentioned the example of Ajinomoto, whose chief scientist released a report saying that it does not affect the human brain by taking sodium glutamate, also known as monosodium glutamate(MSG), and proved it by some biochemistry or biology techniques, but the final result is Chinese food syndrome exists, which is caused by taking a lot of MSG orally through food.
I think I should make it more clear that the purpose of the Ajinomoto example is to tell people that the report issued by a commercial company may still have problems with its conclusions even if it conforms to formal even strict scientific procedures.
The core question, which can actually be put more bluntly, is what kind of reports should we believe when we have large reports from researchers, scientific reports, that conform to formal even strict scientific procedures and methodology, issued by authors from commercial companies, and market research from commercial companies.
The answer to this question is, of course, that we would rather believe the report issued by scientific researchers, and the interests of this scientific author are irrelevant.

, so we don't need to discuss whether they have racist behavior at all, even if it is more likely to have. As long as it is a business report, the problem will always exist, and as long as there is a better large-scale scientific no-interest report, it is more credible. In fact, I can point out another aspect of thinking about commercial companies, Of course, the company has internal data about their company, but the data they disclose in public must be true? If the data they disclose are true, then their balance sheet is completely reliable, so what third-party review do we need? Then why do you need so many regulations? ,Isn't the balance sheet more relevant to the vital interests of enterprises than the so-called market research results? , Companies certainly need the results of market research to guide them on how to sell, but they don't have to disclose the real one. Even if they publish a wrong result for the public, it won't really affect their business.
In the end, if there are large-scale scientific researches, and there is no relevant interests, then it is believable, there is no need to consider commercial reports.
Secondly, most reports offer averages, where do you see the reports that they will offer mode? And considering that the length gap between penises may be between millimeters, If the difference between the modes is not big enough, I.e. the gap between the first mode, the second mode, the third mode, and so on are not big enough, they don't make much more sense than averages.
As for this part of economic development, I actually pointed out that it may be easier to do, just by comparing the developed countries and the relatively developed not-so-well countries in Europe. The example of Italy was given earlier, You can compare it with the report of the British study..
, And again, I have sent the black data. In fact, apart from pornography and media propaganda, we don't really have valid data to show that black people are bigger, , On the contrary, because the economic development in Africa is not particularly good today, their situation is actually worse than imagined. I have to say that I have responded to this type of rebuttal for the third time. The person who says this argument every time didn't really prove that there are different results in the same economic situation, but every time he thinks this is the truth. Wouldn't it be possible for each of us to assert that a unicorn exists without proving it? Since there is no different situation in a similar economic situation, Then this type of rebuttals are actually invalid.
Thirdly, Unfortunately, I thought calcsd's data was reliable at first, until I actually looked at the dataset, only after I found out that the report samples they chose were too small. ,Actually, that's why I talked about it in the first post, but I never talked about it again.
I don't know why the report is not displayed, but the home page of this journal is displayed..
A small sample was selected, although the number did not differ from that of white people
The sample size is only 88..
The sample is a little small, only 800 though are barely usable, and it Is composed of four parts, each of which is only 200, 200 is definitely not enough. In this way., people are deceived into thinking that the sample size is enough, but The error level is determined by the sample size of a single sample, not by the sample size finally pieced together, that is to say, even if it is a report of 800, Its error level still stays at the error corresponding to 200 sample sizes. The level of error did not change, although the average would make the average they worked out more credible.
It is also worth adding that their data were collected from patients rather than healthy volunteers, Although they did exclude patients with a range of conditions such as Peroni's disease or acquired injuries to limit the error.
There are only over 100 people in the diabetic and non-diabetic groups, ,This sample is also too small
The sample size is only 239 and 59 people, and this sample is too small.
The sample size is only 104 people, and its data is not far from the average provided by the British report
,Oh, sample of 80 people. This is even less than the above
The sample sizes are 111 and 32, too small
The sample size of 248 patients is a bit small, although it is not much different from the British report
The sample size of 309 is too small
, sample size 201 sample size is too small

,The credibility of all the above reports is doubtful because of the small sample.
.This is the Italian study I discussed above, with a result of 12.5cm for average

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It's a pity that this is all their report

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Their Westerners average, come from a data set where only a large report is credible, but they actually get a stereotype number, far exceeding the conclusion of the reliable report. , 1704605531468.png

And the data sets they use for what they call the Eastern and Middle Eastern averages are not even credible without a large report.


,The data of this website is not credible, and I have told you why it is not credible, so I don't need to answer the non-existent question you assumed later.
Since you especially want to pretend to be professional, say that all those reports are not self-measuring and are done by professionals, following the "right" methodology. I think I need to give you a little more professional advice as some hints to make you have an open insted of stubborn mind: , Have you considered that there is a correspondence between stretching lengths and erectile lengths, I have previously shared a report on this relationship between the two, and in the final the author has also pointed out the approximate force(450g) with which the measurement is accurate by measuring when patients are lying down. Can you guarantee that the your so-called "scientific" reports you are talking about can guarantee this? Although I have mentioned they are small-sampled, no matter what they do, they will not make their reports credible. Another problem that should be mentioned is that erection by injecting E1 can indeed promote firm erection to measure but It may lead to such a good state that many people can't achieve it every day every time. If you want to be an expert so much, Have you considered these things?
Don't expect others to be friendly with you when you are unfriendly.
look at what has been written before(,I've already provided large studies of whites and large studies of Asians). Your sarcasm doesn't give your argument any more persuasiveness,but it does show that you are arrogant. I hope you can communicate in a more friendly tone next time.
 
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Bro - you win. I don’t have the time to read and respond to each claim and question you have made. It feels
Like a lot of rambling. It’s like tying a case up in court with all sorts of motions. But I am still not convinced of your argument and think the paranoia of condoms and government conspiracy is a bit far fetched.

CalcSD has only selected data collected by professionals using reliable and repeatable methodology. You are discounting their findings and making claims without support (eg - no matter what they do, they will not make their report reliable.) The accumulated data of smaller studies then becomes a metadata and provides a better picture. I would rather rely on a smaller data set that has repeatable methodologies than a larger dataset that would prove difficult to control - whatever the repeatable methodologies are. Repeatable is key. Just my leaning.

As I said before, there is way more to this than this thread can address.
 

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Bro - you win. I don’t have the time to read and respond to each claim and question you have made. It feels
Like a lot of rambling. It’s like tying a case up in court with all sorts of motions. But I am still not convinced of your argument and think the paranoia of condoms and government conspiracy is a bit far fetched.

CalcSD has only selected data collected by professionals using reliable and repeatable methodology. You are discounting their findings and making claims without support (eg - no matter what they do, they will not make their report reliable.) The accumulated data of smaller studies then becomes a metadata and provides a better picture. I would rather rely on a smaller data set that has repeatable methodologies than a larger dataset that would prove difficult to control - whatever the repeatable methodologies are. Repeatable is key. Just my leaning.

As I said before, there is way more to this than this thread can address.
  • I think I have to stress once again that I don't have an attitude towards this business report by whether they are racially biased, but because they are business reports, Because the interests are related, they will bias the results if they want though they may not for every times.
  • As I said in the original paragraph, it doesn't really matter whether there is a conspiracy or not, I just casually said that.
  • My work is about biomedicine, , The literature in this field is often influenced by the source of funds, which affects the methodology and even the final conclusion. , And I actually said in the last reply that I don't doubt them because of whether they are racist, but that they are business reports so that I will doubt with neutrality attitude not judging with subjective attitude.
  • What I said was that no matter what they did, they couldn't make this report credible, in context because it was really too difficult to operate if it was limited to a small sample (which means There is a large enough inevitable system error, if the original sample size is not changed). Of course, it isn't easy to make people completely believe.
  • In fact, there is no report that does not adopt a repeatable methodology, and everyone adopts a similar methodology, so there is no need to emphasize whose method is better, especially when these reports are actually produced in 20 or 30 years, and there is not much methodological change in these days.
  • Repeatability actually has nothing direct(though indirect) to do with the sample size, Repeatability requires different researchers to use the same method in different situations, and finally get similar results.
  • .The best example of this thing may be the example of the Rhode Island story from Greek prophecy. (There was a Greek who claimed that he could jump to the sky, and then when asked if he would show how he jumped, he said he would need to go to Rhode Island to do so, The best answer to this question is that This is Rhode Island. If you can jump, jump here...) He had to be in a place called Rhode Island to achieve his result, which is of course non-repeatable, which violates repeatability.
  • If the Russians investigate a drug for a disease, they end up claiming that a drug will have a strong effect on the disease, but there are no similar reports in the United States and Europe with the same drug and the same methodology, are we going to take the averaging strategy and say that it actually just doesn't work very well but works, or that it doesn't work at all? Of course, we're going to take the latter.
  • The noticing thing is the difference in the results between these small reports, which is too big compared with the large reports ones' when they(both large studies and small studies) adopt the same completely consistent methodology and have the same research situations. When the results reported by the large reports are surprisingly consistent with each other, we certainly adopt the results of the big reports with higher repeatability.
  • Repeatability in scientific methods is not limited to the methodologies used but also includes results.
  • The focus of reading scientific reports is not to say whether the scientific report is unscientific, or just not scientific enough, but when all the contradictory reports exist, read them and extract what is useful and valuable, though they may look contradictory at first, then contemplate on them then give a comprehensive and consistent explanation/theory/results for them, instead of clinging to something that may support your argument, whereas the opposite materials also exist..
  • ,I have posted the discussion about repeatability above, small reports are easily manipulated, In contrast to large reports. Since they have a huge sample size, it is difficult for people to manipulate, even if its publisher, or the funder of this study, wants to change this result especially when the results of the reports are not particularly satisfactory to them. ., Not to mention that large reports have fewer systematic errors than small reports except for the accidental errors just discussed before. From the very beginning, the large reports can avoid discussing whether it is manipulated or not, which is a very complicated technical issue and is also difficult to answer, especially for people who are not in this professional area(even professionals sometimes are not particularly aware of some subdivisions or technical details.) Choosing a large report can avoid such a dilemma and directly lead us to the credible conclusions we want easily.
  • Small studies are only preliminary investigations made when conditions may not be particularly convenient in various aspects.
  • ,I think I need to add to the concept of randomness that I mentioned earlier. , Since Fisher created statistics at the beginning of the 20th century, the randomization method is still the core methodology of statistics. In Fisher's own case, he was studying how soil conditions affect annual yields, trying to get an estimate, but there are a lot of factors to consider, such as pH, rainfall, rainfall frequency, and so on, The situation of each piece of soil is also different, But as long as the land area is large enough, these factors will get a random average in the real world, so that we can ignore them directly to achieve our conclusion. The core of the method is to use a large enough sample size so that every factor we consider, whether we are aware of it or not, can be taken into account systematically as a whole without considering all kinds of complicated and even difficult technical details. Therefore, randomization is still one of the most important means for us to know the world
  • We usually don't doubt that our scientific colleagues will consider unscientific factors when making reports, and don't doubt that they will try their best to minimize those unscientific factors, But their research is limited to the methodology of his time., , Just as the report on how sugar caused people inflammation actually came from 70 or 80 years ago, it seemed great at that time, but now we know that there is a big flaw in this report that ignoring trace elements. However, people at that time, didn't even find all the b vitamins, and it was even more difficult for them to find and realize the importance of trace elements. The experimental animals are on a diet that lacks various vitamins and trace elements for a long time(At the same time, it is. not the real situation of human life at all), so sugar is fatal to them. The point of this example is to show that perhaps the scientific researcher at that time did make their endeavor., but his report will still look flawed in the future.
  • Not because I am very obsessed with large sample reports, but because a large number of these reports can solve errors that we are aware of or unaware of.
  • , The reason why I send a long reply is not to try to use long text to bully others so that others can't read it completely or even refute it. It is not my purpose, but to make my thinking clearer to others, especially when my views are not so natural or easily make sense to others. What I want to do is to discuss rather than share my point of view, so I will try my best to show the thinking process of my point of view more completely.
  • , At the same time, repeating my points can better increase the readability of a long passage for readers, , Increasing readability is my purpose, not to emphasize how right I am, no...I prefer to make my writing direct for sure, instead of emphasizing what I am thinking or what I want to get, but in that case, For most people who have a little difficulty reading long passages, that makes it more difficult for them to read this. , This is a temporary strategy I made with considering readability.
 

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  • I think I have to stress once again that I don't have an attitude towards this business report by whether they are racially biased, but because they are business reports, Because the interests are related, they will bias the results if they want though they may not for every times.
  • As I said in the original paragraph, it doesn't really matter whether there is a conspiracy or not, I just casually said that.
  • My work is about biomedicine, , The literature in this field is often influenced by the source of funds, which affects the methodology and even the final conclusion. , And I actually said in the last reply that I don't doubt them because of whether they are racist, but that they are business reports so that I will doubt with neutrality attitude not judging with subjective attitude.
  • What I said was that no matter what they did, they couldn't make this report credible, in context because it was really too difficult to operate if it was limited to a small sample (which means There is a large enough inevitable system error, if the original sample size is not changed). Of course, it isn't easy to make people completely believe.
  • In fact, there is no report that does not adopt a repeatable methodology, and everyone adopts a similar methodology, so there is no need to emphasize whose method is better, especially when these reports are actually produced in 20 or 30 years, and there is not much methodological change in these days.
  • Repeatability actually has nothing direct(though indirect) to do with the sample size, Repeatability requires different researchers to use the same method in different situations, and finally get similar results.
  • .The best example of this thing may be the example of the Rhode Island story from Greek prophecy. (There was a Greek who claimed that he could jump to the sky, and then when asked if he would show how he jumped, he said he would need to go to Rhode Island to do so, The best answer to this question is that This is Rhode Island. If you can jump, jump here...) He had to be in a place called Rhode Island to achieve his result, which is of course non-repeatable, which violates repeatability.
  • If the Russians investigate a drug for a disease, they end up claiming that a drug will have a strong effect on the disease, but there are no similar reports in the United States and Europe with the same drug and the same methodology, are we going to take the averaging strategy and say that it actually just doesn't work very well but works, or that it doesn't work at all? Of course, we're going to take the latter.
  • The noticing thing is the difference in the results between these small reports, which is too big compared with the large reports ones' when they(both large studies and small studies) adopt the same completely consistent methodology and have the same research situations. When the results reported by the large reports are surprisingly consistent with each other, we certainly adopt the results of the big reports with higher repeatability.
  • Repeatability in scientific methods is not limited to the methodologies used but also includes results.
  • The focus of reading scientific reports is not to say whether the scientific report is unscientific, or just not scientific enough, but when all the contradictory reports exist, read them and extract what is useful and valuable, though they may look contradictory at first, then contemplate on them then give a comprehensive and consistent explanation/theory/results for them, instead of clinging to something that may support your argument, whereas the opposite materials also exist..
  • ,I have posted the discussion about repeatability above, small reports are easily manipulated, In contrast to large reports. Since they have a huge sample size, it is difficult for people to manipulate, even if its publisher, or the funder of this study, wants to change this result especially when the results of the reports are not particularly satisfactory to them. ., Not to mention that large reports have fewer systematic errors than small reports except for the accidental errors just discussed before. From the very beginning, the large reports can avoid discussing whether it is manipulated or not, which is a very complicated technical issue and is also difficult to answer, especially for people who are not in this professional area(even professionals sometimes are not particularly aware of some subdivisions or technical details.) Choosing a large report can avoid such a dilemma and directly lead us to the credible conclusions we want easily.
  • Small studies are only preliminary investigations made when conditions may not be particularly convenient in various aspects.
  • ,I think I need to add to the concept of randomness that I mentioned earlier. , Since Fisher created statistics at the beginning of the 20th century, the randomization method is still the core methodology of statistics. In Fisher's own case, he was studying how soil conditions affect annual yields, trying to get an estimate, but there are a lot of factors to consider, such as pH, rainfall, rainfall frequency, and so on, The situation of each piece of soil is also different, But as long as the land area is large enough, these factors will get a random average in the real world, so that we can ignore them directly to achieve our conclusion. The core of the method is to use a large enough sample size so that every factor we consider, whether we are aware of it or not, can be taken into account systematically as a whole without considering all kinds of complicated and even difficult technical details. Therefore, randomization is still one of the most important means for us to know the world
  • We usually don't doubt that our scientific colleagues will consider unscientific factors when making reports, and don't doubt that they will try their best to minimize those unscientific factors, But their research is limited to the methodology of his time., , Just as the report on how sugar caused people inflammation actually came from 70 or 80 years ago, it seemed great at that time, but now we know that there is a big flaw in this report that ignoring trace elements. However, people at that time, didn't even find all the b vitamins, and it was even more difficult for them to find and realize the importance of trace elements. The experimental animals are on a diet that lacks various vitamins and trace elements for a long time(At the same time, it is. not the real situation of human life at all), so sugar is fatal to them. The point of this example is to show that perhaps the scientific researcher at that time did make their endeavor., but his report will still look flawed in the future.
  • Not because I am very obsessed with large sample reports, but because a large number of these reports can solve errors that we are aware of or unaware of.
  • , The reason why I send a long reply is not to try to use long text to bully others so that others can't read it completely or even refute it. It is not my purpose, but to make my thinking clearer to others, especially when my views are not so natural or easily make sense to others. What I want to do is to discuss rather than share my point of view, so I will try my best to show the thinking process of my point of view more completely.
  • , At the same time, repeating my points can better increase the readability of a long passage for readers, , Increasing readability is my purpose, not to emphasize how right I am, no...I prefer to make my writing direct for sure, instead of emphasizing what I am thinking or what I want to get, but in that case, For most people who have a little difficulty reading long passages, that makes it more difficult for them to read this. , This is a temporary strategy I made with considering readability.
1) either the companies are scheming against Asian dick perceptions or they aren’t. They want a profit. Not to dominate the world with their pants down. Why are you so hung up in accusing the companies of dickism?!? Is it because it destroys your argument? You claim to want to used data but clearly use emotion and hyperbole to attack companies whose information doesn’t fit your agenda. Just drop the ruse it does nothing to build credibility in the discussion - your fixation actually does the opposite and undermines your credibility.

2) large studies with poor controls = large errors. I am sorry that repeatable was not clear. I should have said repeatable controls not just repeatable as it is not clear. Studies with repeatable results are more reliable than a study with poorly designed controls repeated over and over. And that’s why a lot of the larger studies you refer are not used in calcSD. The population studied or the means used gather the data have large potential of error and/or inability to produce the same repeatable results. 1,000,000 guys whittling with a knife can’t reliably produce a part made with a CNC. I’ll take the 100 parts made with a CNC than the 1mm whittled by hand. So while quantity can smooth errors, it can only do so if the variables are removed.

3) It is not that data doesn’t exists but is it reliable? Your argument is that if the numbers are large enough the errors are removed. But as you state they CAN correct error but it’s not a guarantee.

That is ONLY TRUE IF AND ONLY IF the variable controls meet or exceed the smaller studies controls. 10MM self measured dicks are not going to be as reliable as 10k professionally, systematically measured dicks. So numbers in and of themselves are not the solution. I think we can agree Large numbers with quality data collection is the solution.

4) CalcSD just tried the best they could with the plethora of trash studies that exist and rightfully so weeded them out.

3) We disagree on readability. Your writing is very difficult to follow. Many of your writings you have numerous contradictions and too many analogies to clearly convey your concepts.

I tried to be polite and you attacked me saying I was sarcastic and arrogant. That has no place in a thread trying to ferret out ideas, concepts and truths.