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Not a psychologist. Not an expert. Not anything anyone could consider as someone in the know on this at all. Though from my personal experiences this rings true for an insane amount of people i've met over the years and myself. So i figured why not try to bring it to other people's attention. Maybe it could help them to better understand themselves like it did me.

Keep in mind. This isn't just a heterosexual thing. This is a lgbtq community thing as well.

With that said, object constancy.

[form constancy the ability to recognize forms and objects as the same in spite of variation in environment, position, and size.
object constancy the capacity to understand that an absent person or object exists and will return.]

Now here's a more expansive explanation of what it is.

Object Constancy: Understanding the Fear of Abandonment and Borderline Personality Disorder

[Most people can withstand some degree of relational ambiguity, and not be entirely consumed by worrying about potential rejection. When we argue with our loved ones, we can later bounce back from the negative event. When they are not physically by our side, we have an underlying trust that we are on their mind. All these involve something called Object Constancy, the ability to maintain an emotional bond with others even where there are distance and conflicts. ]

[In adulthood, Object Constancy allows us to trust that our bond with those who are close to us remains whole even when they are not physically around, picking up the phone, replying to our texts, or even frustrated at us. With Object Constancy, absence does not mean disappearance or abandonment, only temporary distance. ]

And now, how it could relate to relationships we may have had, may currently be in and may soon get into.

Narcissists aren't capable of something called 'object constancy' — and it helps explain why they are so cruel to the people they date

[We're all guilty of saying hurtful things in the heat of the moment. Every relationship has its ups and downs, usually resulting in arguments, but these don't necessarily mean you're going to break up. When we quarrel with our loved ones, most of us have the ability not to do too much damage. This is because of something called object constancy. It basically means having the ability to still have a positive emotional bond with someone when you are also feeling angry, hurt, or disappointed with them. It also means being able to feel emotionally connected to that person when they are not physically around you.]

[To most of us, this is a given, and we can move past the little things. However, to those with narcissistic personality disorder, or people who are psychopathic or sociopathic with narcissistic traits, the negative feelings they have towards someone in the moment are all they can focus on.

If you date a narcissist, chances are they saw you as a worthy target, then they love bombed you into thinking they were your perfect match. They target strong, successful people to prey on partly because they like a challenge, and partly because it makes them look good. However, then they start breaking down your spirit with their abusive, gaslighting behaviour, then discard you suddenly and brutally.]

So yeah, hope it helps someone.
 
That's an interesting article. My first wife had rather serious abandonment issues. It's part, but not at all the entirety of what broke our marriage.

We couldn't argue...because the arguments never ended in resolution, only an intermission that would last minutes or years, to be continued when the next disagreement brought every prior argument back. Resolution only came if I gave in, regardless of being the one who should have done so.

I was not permitted to simply break off to cool off, to take a walk, a drive, or any form of temporary separation. Absolutely every time I tried to do that, she would issue the ultimatum: "If you leave, don't ever come back, because we're through. She worked to end all of my friendships, and any time I spent with friends was later punished. She was even angry if I took a nap. She seemed to constantly dread our children growing up, as they would eventually go out on their own. Even today, I learned that my 20-year old daughter has been taking less than a full course load at college. Mom encouraged it. My guess is that delaying graduation will delay her moving out and having a life.

I'm guessing my wife has poor or non-existent object constancy...
 
That's an interesting article. My first wife had rather serious abandonment issues. It's part, but not at all the entirety of what broke our marriage.

We couldn't argue...because the arguments never ended in resolution, only an intermission that would last minutes or years, to be continued when the next disagreement brought every prior argument back. Resolution only came if I gave in, regardless of being the one who should have done so.

I was not permitted to simply break off to cool off, to take a walk, a drive, or any form of temporary separation. Absolutely every time I tried to do that, she would issue the ultimatum: "If you leave, don't ever come back, because we're through. She worked to end all of my friendships, and any time I spent with friends was later punished. She was even angry if I took a nap. She seemed to constantly dread our children growing up, as they would eventually go out on their own. Even today, I learned that my 20-year old daughter has been taking less than a full course load at college. Mom encouraged it. My guess is that delaying graduation will delay her moving out and having a life.

I'm guessing my wife has poor or non-existent object constancy...

Seems like it to me. Though i'm no expert.
 
Seems like it to me. Though i'm no expert.
She claimed that in order to enforce discipline...or anything she wanted, her mother would threaten her. Her mother supposedly kept a suitcase in a visible place in the house, saying it was packed, and that if she didn't do what her mother wanted, she would leave. Just like that. It wasn't until many years later that she discovered the suitcase was packed....with her mother's sewing yarn. Little solace, as obviously the damage was done.
 
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She claimed that in order to enforce discipline...or anything she wanted, her mother would threaten her. Her mother supposedly kept a suitcase in a visible place in the house, saying it was packed, and that if she didn't do what her mother wanted, she would leave. Just like that. It wasn't until many years later that she discovered the suitcase was packed....with her mother's sewing yarn. Little solace, as obviously the damage was done.

Sounds to me like she needs some serious therapy. And you might want to look up a bit of info on narcissists. The way i see it not everyone even has to be one to look like one. That many of society's influences mimic narcissism so much that it would be very difficult to tell a real one from someone who was just raised by one.
 
She claimed that in order to enforce discipline...or anything she wanted, her mother would threaten her. Her mother supposedly kept a suitcase in a visible place in the house, saying it was packed, and that if she didn't do what her mother wanted, she would leave. Just like that. It wasn't until many years later that she discovered the suitcase was packed....with her mother's sewing yarn. Little solace, as obviously the damage was done.

This is a pattern of behavior that's discussed a lot in meetings of Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACA) a 12-step program that grew out of Alateen. They also say in ACA that alcohol is not a necessary component of dysfunctional parenting, it can also be other addictions (gambling, sex, etc.) as well as hyper-rigid parenting like my fundamentalist parents.

The pattern of trying to control everything including feelings and thoughts can cause serious harm far beyond childhood.
 
Sounds to me like she needs some serious therapy. And you might want to look up a bit of info on narcissists. The way i see it not everyone even has to be one to look like one. That many of society's influences mimic narcissism so much that it would be very difficult to tell a real one from someone who was just raised by one.
I always suggested she get help. She only tried counseling once our marriage was way down the shitter. And then used it as a control method on me.
 
This is a pattern of behavior that's discussed a lot in meetings of Adult Children of Alcoholics (ACA) a 12-step program that grew out of Alateen. They also say in ACA that alcohol is not a necessary component of dysfunctional parenting, it can also be other addictions (gambling, sex, etc.) as well as hyper-rigid parenting like my fundamentalist parents.

The pattern of trying to control everything including feelings and thoughts can cause serious harm far beyond childhood.

Watching her attempts to control me years after we've been divorced has been a sad comedy.
 
I always suggested she get help. She only tried counseling once our marriage was way down the shitter. And then used it as a control method on me.

To be fair, in a way in which i might not be being fair at all (again not an expert in any way), it's very difficult to go from 60 to 30 when 60 has been your speed for your entire life. Which is why self awareness is so important. Could snatch the rug out from under people constantly when they have no idea rugs even exist.

So if everything you've said about her is true. And everything did happen in the ways it has. It would be like a addict trying to get clean in their middle age after having been born one. Her hill would then of course be much steeper than even the average addict to climb.
 
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To be fair, in a way in which i might not be being fair at all (again not an expert in any way), it's very difficult to go from 60 to 30 when 60 has been your speed for your entire life. Which is why self awareness is so important. Could snatch the rug out from under people constantly when they have no idea rugs even exist.

So if everything you've said about her is true. And everything did happen in the ways it has. It would be like a addict trying to get clean in their middle age after having been born one. Her hill would then of course be much steeper than even the average addict to climb.

To be fair, our problems started in 1990. We separated in 2006. We were divorced in 2015.
 
To be fair, our problems started in 1990. We separated in 2006. We were divorced in 2015.

I can fully understand that. Sorry to hear you went through all that. Hope the kids can get a better understanding of it as well as get help for it. Same goes for your ex-wife.
 
I can fully understand that. Sorry to hear you went through all that. Hope the kids can get a better understanding of it as well as get help for it. Same goes for your ex-wife.
My kids deal with it. They understand. I don't have enough access to my younger daughter to talk extensively with her about it. But she'll be on her own soon and will likely move closer to me and her sister. Regarding my ex: I honestly just don't care what she does any more. She's remarried and they deserve each other, if my daughters' opinion of him is even remotely accurate.
 
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My kids deal with it. They understand. I don't have enough access to my younger daughter to talk extensively with her about it. But she'll be on her own soon and will likely move closer to me and her sister. Regarding my ex: I honestly just don't care what she does any more. She's remarried and they deserve each other, if my daughters' opinion of him is even remotely accurate.

Understandable.
 
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