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No hard feelings. I wasn't being snarky. Just sharing my experience. But I respect your stance as well.
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No hard feelings. I wasn't being snarky. Just sharing my experience. But I respect your stance as well.
I'm sorry you had to experience such losses and deception several times!
1. I'd never pay that much for a clip. Also, $12.50 is the maximal monthly amount I'd pay for any type of OF/JFF type of portal. (Keep in mind that a bank fee or a gas fee [on JFF] or sales tax [on OF] may be added to the monthly fee.)
For instance, Ben Fisher (X, OF) charges $19.95 per month (he's currently running a 30% off special for 31 days). Technically, models can set such a price, but I think it's too much for a "personal, homemade or amateur" portal.
Men.com (includes some Bromo and WhyNotBi content) costs me $8.94 (sales tax included) per month. It's a lifetime special I got. It's streaming only, but its DRM is not rigid.
SeanCody.com costs me $19.94 (sales tax included) per month. It's also a lifetime special I got. It's streaming only, but its DRM is not rigid.
Falcon Studios (includes Hot House + some Naked Sword and Raging Stallion content) costs me $17.19 (sales tax included) per month. It's also a lifetime special I got. Streaming + downloads.
Raw Alpha Male costs me $7.95 (no sales tax) per month. It's also a lifetime special I got. Streaming + downloads.
Lucas Entertainment (includes Lucas Raunch and Sex In Suits) costs me $10 (no sales tax) per month. It's also a lifetime special I got. Streaming + downloads.
BrokeStraightBoys (includes CollegeBoyPhysicals) costs me $9.95 (no sales tax) per month. It's also a lifetime special I got. Streaming + downloads.
As you can see, some of those models charge even more than some studios.
2. I'd pay a bigger fee for custom content, but for $300, I'd need to be able to select scene partners and co-direct the scene.
3. I once got that from a model just for responding to another fan of his on X. I simply told the fan that one of his portals was no longer updated, and the model lost it on me publicly!
4. Yeah. OnlyFans may suspend or delete models accounts. Purchased content should still be made available, but they might deem said content objectionable for whatever reason. Also, from their Terms of Service: "We may change, suspend, or deactivate OnlyFans: We may change OnlyFans from time to time for any reason. We do not guarantee that OnlyFans, or its Content, will always be available or accessible without interruption. We may suspend, withdraw, or restrict the availability of any part of OnlyFans."
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And this is exactly why DRM is unacceptable.
Well, the fact that OF gives a disclaimer makes it acceptable. Listen. No one has said we must like it, but it is legal. It is called copyright. A few people make the same analogy to paid streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime. Same thing. Just because it is porn does not mean it is not a product to be protected.
1. we decide what we are willing to pay for.
2. this wonderful thread helps us know what we are willing to pay for
3. let's continue to keep each other informed, so each of us can make that adult decision.
4. let's help each other with workarounds
Regardless, DRM is here to stay
A disclaimer about OF reserving the right to remove content from the site at any moment, not guaranteeing "that OnlyFans, or its Content, will always be available or accessible without interruption." That's nothing specific about DRM.Well, the fact that OF gives a disclaimer makes it acceptable. Listen. No one has said we must like it, but it is legal. It is called copyright. A few people make the same analogy to paid streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime. Same thing. Just because it is porn does not mean it is not a product to be protected.
1. we decide what we are willing to pay for.
2. this wonderful thread helps us know what we are willing to pay for
3. let's continue to keep each other informed, so each of us can make that adult decision.
4. let's help each other with workarounds
Regardless, DRM is here to stay
I'll reiterate that the main point we're making here is that the portals of most models on OF make no mention of DRM. We get it—models reserve the right to use DRM. That's not the issue. The issue is not informing potential paying subscribers/clients when DRM is enabled. What we're criticizing here is the lack of transparency, which makes DRM not so acceptable.
And there are other things besides undisclosed DRM that subscribers/clients do not appreciate (in certain models) such as misleading recycling of content, an overdose of very short clips as opposed to full scenes, bad filming quality, deceiving customers into renewing for specific content only to tell them that they'll have to shed hundreds of dollars to see it, etc.
If it all becomes too complicated, I suggest we mostly desert OF for JFF (no DRM on playlist page) and studio websites, most of which (like those I mentioned above and Helix Studios, ASG Max, Kristen Bjorn, Southern Strokes, and many, many more) allow downloads at no additional cost.
Note: Studio websites may sound passé, but there are still numerous studio websites for all needs, tastes, and kinks. By joining a studio, you can watch scenes starring a wide variety of models of your liking w/ professional lighting and camera work, nice sets, etc. Some OF portals offer something similar that is worth the price, but I suggest we go back to exploring studios again, esp. if many OF portals become sketchier.
But this is the total point of this thread, yes? Protest with your dollars. You should be saying.... "a fellow LPSGer stated it has DRM....okay... not subscribing unless I have a workaround." Deal with the monster that you have, and we are. We are informing you. Trust, the lack of transparency is not ethical, but it is legal. Two separate concepts.
Telling any content creator you are a regular on LPSG is not a good idea. LPSG is a place where they don't want their content leaked. The only thing they know about it is this is where leakers share content. So, LPSG is one reason DRM exists
I took advantage of some end of the year discounts and also decided to indulge my curiosity in some cases. As always, no, absolutely do not ask me to send you content.
camilocordoba09 OF | X | IG
18 vids / 33 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twink. Posts infrequently. No PPV. Vids have good lighting and angles but tend to be on the shorter side with a few longer ones. Mostly solo - the collabs are brief and don't really show much. So, I've been following this guy on Twitter and IG for ages and have always been tempted to see what his OF is like. Tbh, he tends to be more active on his other social media. I tried messaging him a couple of times with no response - I think he's only logged on twice since I subscribed, so no engagement. A disappointment, for sure - I would love to see if he's filmed anything else, even PPV. There's just not enough content to recommend checking out unless you're a hardcore fan like I am.
Khai Victor (xkhaivictor) OF | X | IG
148 vids / 37 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twink. Posts very infrequently - seems to be coasting on legacy content. No PPV. Vids are a mix of collabs and solo - vary in length as well as quality (inconsistent with lighting and angles). He's someone else I followed on Twitter and offered an end of year discount. Unfortunately, he seems to be way more active on his Twitter or his other Brazilian fan sites than his OF. Do not recommend.
Chris Stewart (stewartchris or Mecrological) OF | X
384 vids / 1,524 pics. DRM-ON. Cute twunk. Posts regularly, multiple times a week. Some PPV - seems dependent on who he films with. Vids are a mix of collabs and solo - vary in length as well as quality (inconsistent with lighting and angles - cell phone set-up). Someone else I followed on Twitter and someone who has collabed with other models I follow (Sean Ford and Hungskater). One thing I appreciate about this account is it goes all the way back to his beginning, so you get to see his progression as a model and improvements with his filming technique over time. He's got a sexy, boy-next-door quality to him. I wish he'd take some of his earnings and invest in a better set-up or at least some better lighting equipment. Otherwise, I recommend checking out his OF page, especially if you're a fan of his Twitter content.
Mike Swift (mike_f4f - benlatino) OF | X | IG
256 vids / 1,609 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit jock. Posts regularly, multiple times a week. Mostly PPV (~$25) though some full-length content is availabe on his page. Includes a helpful index of his content. Vids include both solo and (mostly) collabs with average vid quality (lighting and angles). He's someone I recently found on Twitter and decided to take advantage of an end of year discount. He's a hot guy but it's incredibly frustrating that most of his content is PPV. His content does go back a ways and includes instances where he's bottoming, but he mostly tops in his collabs now. Do not recommend - I would stick to his Twitter or just browsing the web for his full-length vids.
Milo Miles (milomilesxxx) OF | X
311 vds / 820 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit twunk. Posts vids once a week, pics a lil more often. A little bit of PPV; he also shows some previews or partial vids from studio vids he's filmed. Includes a helpful index of his content. Professional quality vids, mostly collabs. He's vers but tends to bottom more than he tops. He films kink content - some BDSM, tighty whities play, foot fetish, and chastity. I think the head's up I'd leave you with is he tends to lean toward filming with daddies, bears, and older types - though there's also a good mix of other body types thrown in there, too. He's a hot guy, very uninhibited with his body or his kinks. Worth checking out if you enjoy his Twitter content.
Nacho Newson (argentiniannbo1 - Argentinianboy - ArgentinianBoyX) OF | X | IG
215 vids / 213 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit twink. Posts vids multiple times a week - important caveat: approximately 2/3 of his vids are previews for the 1/3 full-length vids he posts, inflating his numbers a bit. PPV (~$10) tends to be early releases of full vids he'll post a month or two later. He's a sexy bottom and his collabs are usually pretty hot - well-lit and good angles. I think he's worth checking out and checking back in from time to time, especially if you like his Twitter content.
Chin Kou (chin_kou - chinkou_) OF | X | IG | MyFans.JP
51 vids / 199 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twunk. Posts 2-4 vids a month. Vids are mostly collabs of the highest quality - professionally filmed and lit. Alludes to other content being available on his Fantia site. These vids are erotic, almost a visual poetry. Definitely my favorite model of the bunch I checked out and one I highly recommend. Definitely one I'll keep an eye on and revisit.
camilocordoba09 OF | X | IG
18 vids / 33 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twink. Posts infrequently. No PPV. Vids have good lighting and angles but tend to be on the shorter side with a few longer ones. Mostly solo - the collabs are brief and don't really show much. So, I've been following this guy on Twitter and IG for ages and have always been tempted to see what his OF is like. Tbh, he tends to be more active on his other social media. I tried messaging him a couple of times with no response - I think he's only logged on twice since I subscribed, so no engagement. A disappointment, for sure - I would love to see if he's filmed anything else, even PPV. There's just not enough content to recommend checking out unless you're a hardcore fan like I am.
Khai Victor (xkhaivictor) OF | X | IG
148 vids / 37 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twink. Posts very infrequently - seems to be coasting on legacy content. No PPV. Vids are a mix of collabs and solo - vary in length as well as quality (inconsistent with lighting and angles). He's someone else I followed on Twitter and offered an end of year discount. Unfortunately, he seems to be way more active on his Twitter or his other Brazilian fan sites than his OF. Do not recommend.
Chris Stewart (stewartchris or Mecrological) OF | X
384 vids / 1,524 pics. DRM-ON. Cute twunk. Posts regularly, multiple times a week. Some PPV - seems dependent on who he films with. Vids are a mix of collabs and solo - vary in length as well as quality (inconsistent with lighting and angles - cell phone set-up). Someone else I followed on Twitter and someone who has collabed with other models I follow (Sean Ford and Hungskater). One thing I appreciate about this account is it goes all the way back to his beginning, so you get to see his progression as a model and improvements with his filming technique over time. He's got a sexy, boy-next-door quality to him. I wish he'd take some of his earnings and invest in a better set-up or at least some better lighting equipment. Otherwise, I recommend checking out his OF page, especially if you're a fan of his Twitter content.
Mike Swift (mike_f4f - benlatino) OF | X | IG
256 vids / 1,609 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit jock. Posts regularly, multiple times a week. Mostly PPV (~$25) though some full-length content is availabe on his page. Includes a helpful index of his content. Vids include both solo and (mostly) collabs with average vid quality (lighting and angles). He's someone I recently found on Twitter and decided to take advantage of an end of year discount. He's a hot guy but it's incredibly frustrating that most of his content is PPV. His content does go back a ways and includes instances where he's bottoming, but he mostly tops in his collabs now. Do not recommend - I would stick to his Twitter or just browsing the web for his full-length vids.
Milo Miles (milomilesxxx) OF | X
311 vds / 820 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit twunk. Posts vids once a week, pics a lil more often. A little bit of PPV; he also shows some previews or partial vids from studio vids he's filmed. Includes a helpful index of his content. Professional quality vids, mostly collabs. He's vers but tends to bottom more than he tops. He films kink content - some BDSM, tighty whities play, foot fetish, and chastity. I think the head's up I'd leave you with is he tends to lean toward filming with daddies, bears, and older types - though there's also a good mix of other body types thrown in there, too. He's a hot guy, very uninhibited with his body or his kinks. Worth checking out if you enjoy his Twitter content.
Nacho Newson (argentiniannbo1 - Argentinianboy - ArgentinianBoyX) OF | X | IG
215 vids / 213 pics. DRM-ON. Cute fit twink. Posts vids multiple times a week - important caveat: approximately 2/3 of his vids are previews for the 1/3 full-length vids he posts, inflating his numbers a bit. PPV (~$10) tends to be early releases of full vids he'll post a month or two later. He's a sexy bottom and his collabs are usually pretty hot - well-lit and good angles. I think he's worth checking out and checking back in from time to time, especially if you like his Twitter content.
Chin Kou (chin_kou - chinkou_) OF | X | IG | MyFans.JP
51 vids / 199 pics. DRM-ON. Cute, fit twunk. Posts 2-4 vids a month. Vids are mostly collabs of the highest quality - professionally filmed and lit. Alludes to other content being available on his Fantia site. These vids are erotic, almost a visual poetry. Definitely my favorite model of the bunch I checked out and one I highly recommend. Definitely one I'll keep an eye on and revisit.
noooo, my friend.... I am talking to the community, not the content creator.....lol
The creators are smart enough to scour the internet to see where the work is leaked
You do understand that LPSG is a big brand, right? They all know, Trust. If they are not on the list, it is either because the exposure benefits them financially, or they do not care. Incorrect. DRM exists because of Porhub, Xvideos, etc. Remember the shutdown of Xtube? LPSG is just an important new addition
Thank you very much, fearlessfool, for these detailed reviews.
Honestly, I would not subscribe to any of them. There are tools like YTSaver, Streamfork, OF-Scraper, etc., but I realize that that may be too much hassle just to download a vid for one's own personal use.
I recommend encouraging models with DRM off, those on JFF, or traditional studios.
Decherd has DRM off and he may live tonight in ten minutes. His portal is free to join, and his content is either free or low-priced.
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Yes! We are back to getting informative lists!
Great work, fearlessfool!
I second everything that ShaitanIblis replied. If I want the creator in my collection, then I will figure out a workaround. Swapping collections is also a thing, friends. But expecting a member to just provide anything beyond great samples here is "doing too much." If no workaround works for you, then just don't support it. I know I won't for these content creators....well, except for Nacho... his collabs are worth the workaround I think....lol
ShaitanIblis has given some really good options.
@LuvdickXOXO @Dokteki The more I think of it, the more I think that LPSG users should refrain from posting full scenes from OF, JFF and various studios (SeanCody, MEN, and so forth) on here unless express authorization is obtained. Many threads have such full scenes posted.
But apparently, it is not against the rules of this forum (unless the content appears on the "Do Not Post" list), and the content would only be removed if its copyright owner files a complaint.
I sometimes try to kindly (not condescendingly) encourage people to encourage the model's portal (OF, JFF or else) or the studio when they ask for the full scene to be posted, and yeah, there may be some resistance to that suggestion. People have become so accustomed to free porn that they feel entitled to accessing paid content for free, oblivious to the fact it costs the models and studios much money to produce said content.
But apparently, it is not against the rules of this forum (unless the content appears on the "Do Not Post" list), and the content would only be removed if its copyright owner files a complaint.
I sometimes try to kindly (not condescendingly) encourage people to encourage the model's portal (OF, JFF or else) or the studio when they ask for the full scene to be posted, and yeah, there may be some resistance to that suggestion. People have become so accustomed to free porn that they feel entitled to accessing paid content for free, oblivious to the fact it costs the models and studios much money to produce said content.
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well... I see your point... but the "do not post list" is a good test of whether the studio or content creator really wants to prohibit it. Although the do not post list is long, it is still very limited compared to the volume of performers there. So checking the list, and then posting full scene samplesis fair. Remember, this website is like a fan page for most performers. They get to see how fans view their pages and act accordingly. I logically figured out real quick that if a performer is on the Do Not Post list, they fall under two categories:
- Their content is a major component of their income, but they are legit and create decent content
- Their content is a major component of their income, but they are blocking because they are grifters/scammers
- Jakipz people low-key view this page and shut down posts if it is from his Onlyfans. Things that are posted on his thread can be found on his Twitter. It is great free adverts for him.
- Jake Orion chimed in last month to answer negative comments on his artistry. He definitely shuts down posts if they are from his Only fans. Things that are posted on his thread can be found on his Twitter. It is great free adverts for him.
So LPSG rule is a great corporate/legal approach and is a great balance. CHECK the list, POST samples, INFORM others, TRADE privately, ENJOY
Mmm... I'm not sure that non-inclusion in the "Do Not Post List" is a licence to posting full scenes on here. I'm not referring to posting a few photos, trailers, snippets, or even some screengrabs or stills of a scene in order to help promote it.well... I see your point... but the "do not post list" is a good test of whether the studio or content creator really wants to prohibit it. Although the do not post list is long, it is still very limited compared to the volume of performers there. So checking the list, and then posting full scene samplesis fair. Remember, this website is like a fan page for most performers. They get to see how fans view their pages and act accordingly. I logically figured out real quick that if a performer is on the Do Not Post list, they fall under two categories:
Two examples of the first category are legit and create decent content:
- Their content is a major component of their income, but they are legit and create decent content
- Their content is a major component of their income, but they are blocking because they are grifters/scammers
Please check out the long list of scammers in the thread," Not worth it."
- Jakipz people low-key view this page and shut down posts if it is from his Onlyfans. Things that are posted on his thread can be found on his Twitter. It is great free adverts for him.
- Jake Orion chimed in last month to answer negative comments on his artistry. He definitely shuts down posts if they are from his Only fans. Things that are posted on his thread can be found on his Twitter. It is great free adverts for him.
So LPSG rule is a great corporate/legal approach and is a great balance. CHECK the list, POST samples, INFORM others, TRADE privately, ENJOY
By full scenes, I'm referring to posting an entire scene, for instance, a full 47-minute SeanCody orgy, and then a full 42-minute SeanCody orgy (both of which were recently released and are therefore available on the SeanCody website), or a MEN scene in its entirety, or a 10-minute or 17-minute or a 25-minute scene from so or so or so OF performer, and so forth. And I'm not sure all models and studios are aware of this forum. For many years, I didn't know this forum existed.
Most people who watch such pirated scenes will never bother paying for a subscription! They'd rather keep the money for other things (main bills, delicious restaurant food, travelling, partying, clothing, etc.); not saying they should neglect those things, but they should stick to authorized free adult content. And once again, I do not want to be a hypocrite—as I said a few times, we've all already consumed at least a few pirated movies—I'm mainly referring to those who would never even shed a dollar on such content, let alone paying for one or more monthly or yearly subscriptions!
It is true that pirated scenes may end up attracting some paying customers. I remember viewing a few leaked MEN and SeanCody scenes years before paying for a permanent recurring subscription. It's not all a black-and-white issue. It's just that reportedly, most porn consumers worldwide pirate porn and just never ever pay for it—even if they can afford it. There is a difference between a consumer of pirated porn who also does their part and pay for some content and a consumer of pirated porn who'd never purchase a scene or a subscription!
Note: Piracy is reportedly the reason why studios started paying their stars less, just like shoplifting forces stores to increase the price of certain items.
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