Saeroi aka Kim Hwijun

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Is anyone subbed to him on OF? I'm thinking about getting it but I heard he deletes videos after a while. I dont want to have to worry about him removing videos lol
 
kinghyunwoo said:
Is anyone subbed to him on OF? I'm thinking about getting it but I heard he deletes videos after a while. I dont want to have to worry about him removing videos lol
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Keep in mind that the guy is still Korean. So I believe that he has to do so, in order to avoid any potential legal issues, because gay pornography is somewhat of a grey zone over there.
 
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thicklikeboba said:
Keep in mind that the guy is still Korean. So I believe that he has to do so, in order to avoid any potential legal issues, because gay pornography is somewhat of a grey zone over there.
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Actually most of them shoot outside in Korea so it's okay for them to show their face
 
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Bin22 said:
Actually most of them shoot outside in Korea so it's okay for them to show their face
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Sadly I am not an expert in the field, so anyone, please correct me, if I end up talking a bunch of BS!

From what I know, Korean laws extend across borders. A lot of people who would like to participate in activities that are deemed illegal in Korea, can still get charged, if there is evidence (such as video footage) of them engaging in said activities overseas.
For example: I follow a Korean/Canadian couple online. Whenever they go to Canada, they have to be a little mindful of what they film, because, if they filmed the Korean guy eating poppy seeds, he'd put himself in real legal trouble. Once they return to Korea, that video footage could be used as a base of a lawsuit, because poppy seeds are illegal and deemed a narcotic, I think.

Now how does this relate to him potentially deleting his videos? While the legal text in Korea tends to be very heteronormative, adult video production in Korea that shows proper penetration is highly illegal (There's a reason why Japanese videos are selling like hotcakes for a reason).
These two factors alone make it difficult for him to keep up the videos, because while queer people are allowed to exist, they are still not properly protected under law over there, thus making any unlawful activity a very finnicky situation.

Most times we see this happening is when gRape happens between two men... it's usually dismissed, because under Korean law, gRape can only happen by a man towards a woman.
I hope this explanation helps understanding how difficult this whole ordeal may be for him.
 
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thicklikeboba said:
Sadly I am not an expert in the field, so anyone, please correct me, if I end up talking a bunch of BS!

From what I know, Korean laws extend across borders. A lot of people who would like to participate in activities that are deemed illegal in Korea, can still get charged, if there is evidence (such as video footage) of them engaging in said activities overseas.
For example: I follow a Korean/Canadian couple online. Whenever they go to Canada, they have to be a little mindful of what they film, because, if they filmed the Korean guy eating poppy seeds, he'd put himself in real legal trouble. Once they return to Korea, that video footage could be used as a base of a lawsuit, because poppy seeds are illegal and deemed a narcotic, I think.

Now how does this relate to him potentially deleting his videos? While the legal text in Korea tends to be very heteronormative, adult video production in Korea that shows proper penetration is highly illegal (There's a reason why Japanese videos are selling like hotcakes for a reason).
These two factors alone make it difficult for him to keep up the videos, because while queer people are allowed to exist, they are still not properly protected under law over there, thus making any unlawful activity a very finnicky situation.

Most times we see this happening is when gRape happens between two men... it's usually dismissed, because under Korean law, gRape can only happen by a man towards a woman.
I hope this explanation helps understanding how difficult this whole ordeal may be for him.
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I totally agree. I remember Tantan Evan said he do Collab with Koreans gay and most of them hide their face in order for them to keep their privacy since being LGBT consider a taboo and not recognize by the community compare to Western gay pornstar who's okay to show their faces.

Some of them have job outside porn industry like juunnn, maccc19 & teddy who's a fitness model and trainer. The views of LGBT in western vs Korean are totally different which some of them aren't totally out in public
 
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Bin22 said:
I totally agree. I remember Tantan Evan said he do Collab with Koreans gay and most of them hide their face in order for them to keep their privacy since being LGBT consider a taboo and not recognize by the community compare to Western gay pornstar who's okay to show their faces.

Some of them have job outside porn industry like juunnn, maccc19 & teddy who's a fitness model and trainer. The views of LGBT in western vs Korean are totally different which some of them aren't totally out in public
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LOL its not ok for western porn stars or porn stars in general either, the porn producers and directors simply don't give them a choice on whether they show their face or not. Many of them preform porn under the notion that people they know don't watch porn and would therefore never find out about them. Its also why porn stars have a stage name, as its to be their code name. Some have a major hard time like Michael Hoffman when his nudes and jerk off videos were leaked to people in his community back in 2017, but he seemed to embraced it since then.

But your body is usually second on the porn check list, followed by your dick. Guys like Juunnn keeps himself pretty hot so most people don't care what his face looks like
 
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LOL its not ok for western porn stars or porn stars in general either, the porn producers and directors simply don't give them a choice on whether they show their face or not. Many of them preform porn under the notion that people they know don't watch porn and would therefore never find out about them. Its also why porn stars have a stage name, as its to be their code name. Some have a major hard time like Michael Hoffman when his nudes and jerk off videos were leaked to people in his community back in 2017, but he seemed to embraced it since then.

But your body is usually second on the porn check list, followed by your dick. Guys like Juunnn keeps himself pretty hot so most people don't care what his face looks like
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See, this is where it gets very difficult, because trying to explain why western porn isn't all that cool and chill compared to the Korean variant, fails to recognize the societal issues that come with being a adult model in both worlds respectfully. Now, in no shape or form am I trying to lessen the impact that Michael Hoffmann or any s€x worker had/has to deal with in terms of societal reception and general repercussions. S€x work is normal work and nobody should be shamed for it, forced into it or that worse things should happen to them in general.
However, the great denominator here is the fact that a s€x worker in the western world may face harsh criticism and judgement, but it's not incriminating evidence that can be used against them. Being openly gay/queer in Korea alone is a major issue that is equated to committing social suicide. Things are changing and are getting slightly better, but when you have an official TV show like Squid Games 2 feature a transgender character that needed to be played by a straight Korean man, because there are NO openly proud transgender actors in Korea, don't you think your thought process is a bit too skewed?

On top of that, we often forget that anyone, before the ages of OF, who willingly went to do a raunchy movie with a studio, had to sign contracts and therefore the person gave the studio the right to edit, alter and adjust the footage whichever way they pleased. Is it morally correct when the model requests to stay anonymous and the studio goes ahead and completely ignores it and features their face anyway? Absolutely NEVER. However, we are talking about capitalism and morals do not exist in our capitalist world anyway...

So in theory, it is safer to do adult videos in the western world, compared to Korea. Not only in terms of public reception, but also because porn production as a whole is simply illegal in Korea. Soft pornos have been a thing as of the last 5-10-ish years, but it's designed for straight men exclusively.
As I've mentioned previously, it is a bit of grey zone for gay videos, but it's definitely not supposed to be legal.
 
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Cdalo said:
LOL its not ok for western porn stars or porn stars in general either, the porn producers and directors simply don't give them a choice on whether they show their face or not. Many of them preform porn under the notion that people they know don't watch porn and would therefore never find out about them. Its also why porn stars have a stage name, as its to be their code name. Some have a major hard time like Michael Hoffman when his nudes and jerk off videos were leaked to people in his community back in 2017, but he seemed to embraced it since then.

But your body is usually second on the porn check list, followed by your dick. Guys like Juunnn keeps himself pretty hot so most people don't care what his face looks like
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Sure, but Korea is much more homophobic and (religiously) conservative on average than a lot of these western countries, and it's extremely collectivist which makes it that much more difficult to go off and do your own thing and easy to be totally ostracized with no options.

Just a few years ago, the Korean military actively made accounts on gay apps to bait gay/bi members of service, catch them, interrogate them, and dishonorably discharge them (a big deal when military service is mandatory for all males and a huge source of pride for the nation). And then there's the Korean anti porn laws -- you'll probably remember how the popular gay porn creator Seegasm was jailed for 4 years for his videos.

So yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me why a high percent of gay porn stars from Korea are extra protective with their faces.

(I meant to send this a few hours ago but apparently there was an error and it just sat their in my "post reply" box even though I left the page)
 
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thicklikeboba said:
See, this is where it gets very difficult, because trying to explain why western porn isn't all that cool and chill compared to the Korean variant, fails to recognize the societal issues that come with being a adult model in both worlds respectfully. Now, in no shape or form am I trying to lessen the impact that Michael Hoffmann or any s€x worker had/has to deal with in terms of societal reception and general repercussions. S€x work is normal work and nobody should be shamed for it, forced into it or that worse things should happen to them in general.
However, the great denominator here is the fact that a s€x worker in the western world may face harsh criticism and judgement, but it's not incriminating evidence that can be used against them. Being openly gay/queer in Korea alone is a major issue that is equated to committing social suicide. Things are changing and are getting slightly better, but when you have an official TV show like Squid Games 2 feature a transgender character that needed to be played by a straight Korean man, because there are NO openly proud transgender actors in Korea, don't you think your thought process is a bit too skewed?

On top of that, we often forget that anyone, before the ages of OF, who willingly went to do a raunchy movie with a studio, had to sign contracts and therefore the person gave the studio the right to edit, alter and adjust the footage whichever way they pleased. Is it morally correct when the model requests to stay anonymous and the studio goes ahead and completely ignores it and features their face anyway? Absolutely NEVER. However, we are talking about capitalism and morals do not exist in our capitalist world anyway...

So in theory, it is safer to do adult videos in the western world, compared to Korea. Not only in terms of public reception, but also because porn production as a whole is simply illegal in Korea. Soft pornos have been a thing as of the last 5-10-ish years, but it's designed for straight men exclusively.
As I've mentioned previously, it is a bit of grey zone for gay videos, but it's definitely not supposed to be legal.
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Sure, but Korea is much more homophobic and (religiously) conservative on average than a lot of these western countries, and it's extremely collectivist which makes it that much more difficult to go off and do your own thing and easy to be totally ostracized with no options.

Just a few years ago, the Korean military actively made accounts on gay apps to bait gay/bi members of service, catch them, interrogate them, and dishonorably discharge them (a big deal when military service is mandatory for all males and a huge source of pride for the nation). And then there's the Korean anti porn laws -- you'll probably remember how the popular gay porn creator Seegasm was jailed for 4 years for his videos.

So yeah, it makes a lot of sense to me why a high percent of gay porn stars from Korea are extra protective with their faces.

(I meant to send this a few hours ago but apparently there was an error and it just sat their in my "post reply" box even though I left the page)
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Thats crazy but I understand

I knew Asia as a whole had a lot of problems cornering the matter and being mostly conservative but I think Thailand and Japan are the exception. At least now anyway, even with the Japanese censorship laws you can post things pretty freely. Looks like Saeroi is traveling out of the country anyway, so his post should continue to be more open.

I mostly meant the severe violence that gays have faced since the 20th century, as recorded history anyway. America has obviously made a lot of progress since then ( through maturity and education ) , so I am sure Korea will eventually change too. Youtuber youngjay has been asking lots of young people in Korea about gays and their thoughts on them, with mostly giving positive reviews, which is important as young people are the future
 
Cdalo said:
Thats crazy but I understand

I knew Asia as a whole had a lot of problems cornering the matter and being mostly conservative but I think Thailand and Japan are the exception. At least now anyway, even with the Japanese censorship laws you can post things pretty freely. Looks like Saeroi is traveling out of the country anyway, so his post should continue to be more open.

I mostly meant the severe violence that gays have faced since the 20th century, as recorded history anyway. America has obviously made a lot of progress since then ( through maturity and education ) , so I am sure Korea will eventually change too. Youtuber youngjay has been asking lots of young people in Korea about gays and their thoughts on them, with mostly giving positive reviews, which is important as young people are the future
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I don't wanna fill this forum with too much text, this is supposed to be about Saeroi after all, but one last thing I'd like to add is: A society, like Korea, that is VERY aware of their self-image and self-portrayal, please don't trust interviews like these too blindly. This is just my opinion though and I'm not speaking for everyone here. Majority of Korean gays/lesbians/queers remain in the closet for very obvious reasons after all...
 
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