Size Studies Underestimate Penis Size

[cockboiii]

If you look at pretty much ANY of the "studies" about penis size a few things stand out. 1. They're usually made on guys with ED (duh the penis is going to be smaller if it isn't actually hard) and 2. the STRETCHED length is BIGGER than the ERECT length - suggesting that the participants didn't actually get hard for any of the studies. See below.

Also from personal experience I can tell you that after being with over 100 guys I've probably seen about 10-15% in the 5-6 range. 1-2% in the 4-5 range. On the large side maybe 5% bigger than 8.5. Easily 25% bigger than 7 and the rest between 6-7. The studies are flawed and from personal experience the self reported studies are more accurate (average is between 6-7 is average). See the quote below:


From the press release on the paper (metric conversions mine), which is titled "Am I normal? A systematic review and construction of nomograms for flaccid and erect penis length and circumference in up to 15,521 men":

"The nomograms revealed that the average length of a flaccid penis was 9.16 cm [3.6 inches], the average length of a flaccid stretched penis was 13.24 cm [5.21 inches], and the average length of an erect penis was 13.12 cm [5.165 inches]. The average flaccid circumference was 9.31 cm [3.66 inches], and the average erect circumference was 11.66 cm [4.59 inches]. There was a small correlation between erect length and height."

 

[UncutViking]

Which study/source do you refer to?

 

[AVx22]

Penis size studies are indeed flawed. I’d love to chat about this.

 

[Snps21]

I have 3 thoughts on the size studies and our perception of average:

1) People assume it’s a normal distribution, when, given the lower limit of 0”, it’s more likely some degree of log-normal distribution, where the range of sizes above the average is larger than the range below the average, i.e. big dicks are somewhat more common than a plain normal distribution have us believe. That being said...

2) Guys with bigger dicks are more likely to put themselves out there (share pics online, engage in casual sex) than smaller guys are. As such, you’re much more likely to see mostly hung guys in general, which skews your perception of average (which then discourages smaller guys even more from showing off).

3) Lastly, we tend to have a skewed perception of how big other guys’ dicks are when directly in front of us. We tend to see other dicks as bigger than they are because we aren’t familiar with them like our own. Our own dick looks less special to us because we’re so used to seeing it relative to our own body and from our unique viewpoint.

I feel pretty confident that the true average is in fact somewhere between 5-6” bone-pressed. I ALSO think that while 7” dicks would be at the 98th percentile on a normal distribution, I think on an appropriate log-normal distribution, they would be closer to the 90-95th percentile, which would help explain lot of the skepticism people have toward the studies.

 

[deleted39601]

I have 3 thoughts on the size studies and our perception of average:

1) People assume it’s a normal distribution, when, given the lower limit of 0”, it’s more likely some degree of log-normal distribution, where the range of sizes above the average is larger than the range below the average, i.e. big dicks are somewhat more common than a plain normal distribution have us believe. That being said...

2) Guys with bigger dicks are more likely to put themselves out there (share pics online, engage in casual sex) than smaller guys are. As such, you’re much more likely to see mostly hung guys in general, which skews your perception of average (which then discourages smaller guys even more from showing off).

3) Lastly, we tend to have a skewed perception of how big other guys’ dicks are when directly in front of us. We tend to see other dicks as bigger than they are because we aren’t familiar with them like our own. Our own dick looks less special to us because we’re so used to seeing it relative to our own body and from our unique viewpoint.

I feel pretty confident that the true average is in fact somewhere between 5-6” bone-pressed. I ALSO think that while 7” dicks would be at the 98th percentile on a normal distribution, I think on an appropriate log-normal distribution, they would be closer to the 90-95th percentile, which would help explain lot of the skepticism people have toward the studies.

Yes exactly!!

 

[deleted716371]

If you look at pretty much ANY of the "studies" about penis size a few things stand out. 1. They're usually made on guys with ED (duh the penis is going to be smaller if it isn't actually hard) and 2. the STRETCHED length is BIGGER than the ERECT length - suggesting that the participants didn't actually get hard for any of the studies. See below.

Also from personal experience I can tell you that after being with over 100 guys I've probably seen about 10-15% in the 5-6 range. 1-2% in the 4-5 range. On the large side maybe 5% bigger than 8.5. Easily 25% bigger than 7 and the rest between 6-7. The studies are flawed and from personal experience the self reported studies are more accurate (average is between 6-7 is average). See the quote below:


From the press release on the paper (metric conversions mine), which is titled "Am I normal? A systematic review and construction of nomograms for flaccid and erect penis length and circumference in up to 15,521 men":

"The nomograms revealed that the average length of a flaccid penis was 9.16 cm [3.6 inches], the average length of a flaccid stretched penis was 13.24 cm [5.21 inches], and the average length of an erect penis was 13.12 cm [5.165 inches]. The average flaccid circumference was 9.31 cm [3.66 inches], and the average erect circumference was 11.66 cm [4.59 inches]. There was a small correlation between erect length and height."

How can the average of a flaccid stretched penis of 5.2'' turn into an actual average of 6-7 inches, just because it's 0.05'' longer than the erect length?

 

[MancmanMatt]

I can tell you that after being with over 100 guys I've probably seen about...

I've been with well over 500 guys, and no it isn't a contest, but sample size matters. I do not discriminate, at all, when it comes to penis size when meeting up with someone. In my experience most guys are definitely in the 5-6" camp. Quite a large number are smaller than this and very few are bigger.

 

[MancmanMatt]

How can the average of a flaccid stretched penis of 5.2'' turn into an actual average of 6-7 inches, just because it's 0.05'' longer than the erect length?

This is easy. Take a balloon that's deflated. Try stretching it in one direction. It goes really long in that one direction but very thin in the other. Now try blowing it up. It gets fat but nowhere near as long as the deflated, stretched, balloon. A similar thing happens with the penis.

 

[Cum_is_Great]

This is easy. Take a balloon that's deflated. Try stretching it in one direction. It goes really long in that one direction but very thin in the other. Now try blowing it up. It gets fat but nowhere near as long as the deflated, stretched, balloon. A similar thing happens with the penis.

Didnt you just prove the opposite? In your example if you said after blowing up the balloon it got longer than the stretched it would match what he said. (How is a fully erect 1 to 2 inches larger than a stretched flaccid)

Basically you agree with @gmannen
Disagree with @cockboiii

 

[MancmanMatt]

Didnt you just prove the opposite? In your example if you said after blowing up the balloon it got longer than the stretched it would match what he said. (How is a fully erect 1 to 2 inches larger than a stretched flaccid)

Basically you agree with @gmannen
Disagree with @cockboiii

I was answering a different question to which was asked. I thought the question was how can the stretched length be longer than the erect length. This wasn't the case.

There was nothing wrong with the study, and it's reported lengths, due to the balloon type thing happening. Studies almost always report that the average erect length is 5-5.5". Cockboiii is contesting the studies data because he thinks they all use guys with ED, which, if the studies are to be scientifically valid, makes no sense, they would not pass peer review. You don't perform a study on penis size, that requires the subjects to get hard, if they can't get hard. Consequently he feels that studies always underreport on how big the average actually is because none of the subjects are capable of getting hard to start with.

His only evidence to the average being bigger than 5-5.5" is his own personal experience of eyeballing the dicks on the guys he's had sex with. This is not an accurate representation of the average guys size in any way.

 

[BigBen]

There has not been a medical study...peer review or not....absolutely none...since Kinsey and Masters & Johnson way back in the 1950s. And those were very flawed studies by the limits on participation. No where...no country...none. The subject is almost "off limits"...it is perceived that there is no medical value on knowing...and the "notoriety" in the medical profession of urology is considered a career killer and pointless. As the nearly 4 billion males in the world make any sort of "methodology" fruitless....and keep this in mind. All "academic studies" require funding...a LOT of funding...and there is perceived to be NO monetary benefit for such a study.

And...this is essential to understand....outside of a persons own dating social group...there is NO benefit at all in anyone who has an otherwise "normal" life and is hugely or extremely endowed...or any other adjective you would care to use...or any minimum "cut off" to size to use....for anyone participating in such a study even if it were funded and was widely publicized and sought many participants to be academically "valid". You would need millions of participants from around the world to have any value....BUT...the individuals...in the moral and ethical and legal and societal "norms" around the world....there is NO personal value to a person get involved. The business and societal repercussions are overwhelming....no gain at all. Just "misery" and "notoriety"...for a lifetim to e for themselves, their families and loved ones. Only those, of any sex, who are sex and size obsessed....would care....and they do not do the day to day stuff to care for ourselves, our careers and lives, and loved ones...for all of our lives. Those who are extremely endowed...just like most very busty women....just try to go about our daily lives and live out our lives without being a tabloid article or losing our careers because of morality clauses in our contracts....the world of "porn" is littered with tragic and cautionary tales of those who thought it would be a good idea to be "famous"....but "famous" is just another term for notorious and social outcaste.

Now..are there from time to time...rare...but it has happened...some articles on urology in urology publications where this or that "abnormality" or "deviation" is mentioned as part of the article...not the focus of the article....yes. Both those are once a decade or so.

So all the online studies and articles in social magazines like foolish and certainly not scientific.

And no, online and reader write in and comments to "surveys" to Men's Health and Vogue magazine, et al, do not count

BUT...does that mean that mean that all that can be found on the internet is fake or wrong. Not at all.

Once upon a time....self reported...there was a website for "dating and meeting" called: Big-Date.com. There were thousand of verified pictures of busty women seeking men/women/couples....and hung men seeking women/men/couples....and couples where their preferences were for men/women/couples who were busty/hung or both...and many of them were also "well endowed". The website and the best of it are now gone.

There was a self reported website....no value or upside for lying....of people posting about the very endowed men they have encountered...and some about themselves...over 75K posts when it "ended".

And there is still AdultFriendFinder.com...a swinger adult website....and you can search by your preferences for endowments....and sex, and anything else.

And of course...LPSG. And some on LPSG are very, very rare and special indeed.

 

[MancmanMatt]

And of course...LPSG. And some on LPSG are very, very rare and special indeed.

Yes but the $10,000 reward for a 10" penis thread shows that no one has a 10" dick. This is a place where people do like to show off and you know full well that some porn star would have claimed the prize money just for the notoriety/publicity gained if they could. Of course the existence of the thread, and the unclaimed reward, isn't conclusive proof but it does show you one thing - a 10" penis is a very rare thing. This also matches the penis size studies.

The point of all this is that men all over the place, on hook-up apps, on porn web sites, to their spouses, lie about their size. Lots claim 10-12" which is simply incorrect. Trouble is other men/women believe this and then think that they've had an 11" dick when really it was just 8". Or they believe the porn studios when they say a model is 12" and it's really just 9". This creates a massive skew in most individuals perception of what a 6" dick actually looks like. In porn that 6" would be listed as ~8".

I suppose this is human nature. Lots like to exaggerate in every aspect of their life to sound more impressive. I find it annoying when people do this and then don't live up to expectation. And I'm not talking about penis size here!

 

[hzs3fg]

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Also from personal experience I can tell you that after being with over 100 guys I've probably seen about 10-15% in the 5-6 range. 1-2% in the 4-5 range. On the large side maybe 5% bigger than 8.5. Easily 25% bigger than 7 and the rest between 6-7. The studies are flawed and from personal experience the self reported studies are more accurate (average is between 6-7 is average).

Are we to assume that you have taken a ruler to everyone of those penises you have been intimately involved with?

If not, then your numbers are completely worthless and, so, your entire premise is worthless as well.

 

[deleted1547822]

There has not been a medical study...peer review or not....absolutely none...since Kinsey and Masters & Johnson way back in the 1950s. And those were very flawed studies by the limits on participation. No where...no country...none. The subject is almost "off limits"...it is perceived that there is no medical value on knowing...and the "notoriety" in the medical profession of urology is considered a career killer and pointless. As the nearly 4 billion males in the world make any sort of "methodology" fruitless....and keep this in mind. All "academic studies" require funding...a LOT of funding...and there is perceived to be NO monetary benefit for such a study.

Fair point, although I’m not entirely sure how you’re defining “medical study”. Psychologists (as opposed to urologists) have been studying penis size and human perceptions, and “small penis syndrome” (dysmorphia) in light of the internet is of increasing interest. Is it just porn and camera trickery fucking with people’s heads? Abundance of self-reported (and often exaggerated) size on sites like this, PE forums, Reddit, etc…? Relaxing of societal sexual norms and more awareness? I don’t know…

Although it has been a while, condom manufacturing has looked at the issue, and has a significant financial interest in the truth. You’re not going to profit from rubbers that don’t fit anybody, not to mention the “average”. I suspect they’re happy to fund a study that allows them greater market share or higher sales.

 

[Gaydane]

I tend to agree. I am a gayman and have been with around 2000 men.

The official penissize studies always claim that almost nobody has a dick bigger than 7 inches. But in real life I have seen many of them. They also claim that 12-13 (5 inches) is average worldwide. Well, maybe in some asian countries. But the average size for the around 2000 men I have been with is more like 5,5-6 inches (14-15 cm).

 

[sex_pirate]

There has not been a medical study...peer review or not....absolutely none...since Kinsey and Masters & Johnson way back in the 1950s. And those were very flawed studies by the limits on participation. No where...no country...none.

huh? there have been lots of studies. Here are a few:

Penile length and circumference dimensions: A large study in young Italian men

Establishing a reference range for penile length in Caucasian British men: a prospective study of 609 men

Penile length and circumference: an Indian study

Erect penile dimensions in a cohort of 778 Middle Eastern men: establishment of a nomogram

 

[AllDixNeedLuv69]

I've been with well over 500 guys, and no it isn't a contest, but sample size matters. I do not discriminate, at all, when it comes to penis size when meeting up with someone. In my experience most guys are definitely in the 5-6" camp. Quite a large number are smaller than this and very few are bigger.

i been with quite a few guys as well and i dont discriminate either--all penis's big or small white black asian latino or whatever--all need love and attention--i had had few guys fuck me with small dicks that did enjoy it more than i did--i wont lie--but they fucked and cum like any other pecker out there- i am around 71/2 to 8 inches myself--but i will say its not been used as much as my ass has been --being a bottom all i worry about is sucking it before getting screwed by it---


and i am not bragging either--but i am glad to see i am not the only one here thats been with over 500 guys--been hooked on dick since the first time i sucked on one and got fucked by it

 

[cockboiii]

i mean every gay guy here says average is bigger than the stats. I'm inclined to believe it based on my expreience. I've rarely seen a cock as small as 5.5 inches and i've seen hundreds of cocks.

 

[Marco86]

i mean every gay guy here says average is bigger than the stats. I'm inclined to believe it based on my expreience. I've rarely seen a cock as small as 5.5 inches and i've seen hundreds of cocks.

i recall reading something years ago that said that due to hormonal differences when a fetus is developing, the average gay man’s cock is bigger than the average straight man’s cock.

 

[MancmanMatt]

i mean every gay guy here says average is bigger than the stats. I'm inclined to believe it based on my expreience. I've rarely seen a cock as small as 5.5 inches and i've seen hundreds of cocks.

I've seen many smaller than 5.5" and almost all are between 5 and 5.5"