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Have you ever had a straight friend exhibit an element of homosexual curiosity? I once had a friend who, when evaluating all the evidence, certainly seemed to accurately fit the bill. He persistently brought up sex to "get [me] excited", despite my constant and ashamed protests. He would get drunk and take his shirt off to show me his muscular body. But I saw that I had to play a weird little game; it couldn't be explicitly gay, I suppose. When I confronted him on this he flat out denied it. But the games continued, and the sexual tension between us became so ripe that it heavily contributed to what ultimately ended our friendship. Tragic. He was my friend, my brother by choice, as it were. I loved him, very much, as my friend and brother. Why would he do that? Is so much of a coward that he couldn't come to me with forthright direction and admit his latent physical feelings? I might have otherwise reciprocated, but I was never going to proceed based on a premise of dishonesty and pretense. Thoughts, anyone?
 
Have you ever had a straight friend exhibit an element of homosexual curiosity? I once had a friend who, when evaluating all the evidence, certainly seemed to accurately fit the bill. He persistently brought up sex to "get [me] excited", despite my constant and ashamed protests. He would get drunk and take his shirt off to show me his muscular body. But I saw that I had to play a weird little game; it couldn't be explicitly gay, I suppose. When I confronted him on this he flat out denied it. But the games continued, and the sexual tension between us became so ripe that it heavily contributed to what ultimately ended our friendship. Tragic. He was my friend, my brother by choice, as it were. I loved him, very much, as my friend and brother. Why would he do that? Is so much of a coward that he couldn't come to me with forthright direction and admit his latent physical feelings? I might have otherwise reciprocated, but I was never going to proceed based on a premise of dishonesty and pretense. Thoughts, anyone?
May be you were just reading to much into it; perhaps he was just expressing a love in a brotherly was and not in a sexual way
 
May be you were just reading to much into it; perhaps he was just expressing a love in a brotherly was and not in a sexual way
When one flaunts his body on purpose and sends suggestive images via text, it's hard to interpret an innocent gesture behind it all.
 
When one flaunts his body on purpose and sends suggestive images via text, it's hard to interpret an innocent gesture behind it all.
What exactly did he say to you when he ended the friendship? Have you had no contact at all since?
 
What exactly did he say to you when he ended the friendship? Have you had no contact at all since?
I ended things. He was no longer kind to me, and he injected sexual tension between us. He did reach out to me a couple years ago, and asked to see me. I allowed him to come over and meet my Partner, for a quiet dinner. He hadn'r changed; wanted to talk about his sexual exploits, and he was dressed in a revealing manner that showed off his body. It creeped me out and made my Partner uncomfortable. I haven't seen him since. He was a real jerk, I just don't understand why. And if he really was struggling with his sexuality, why not admit it? I came out to him when I started dating men.
 
I ended things. He was no longer kind to me, and he injected sexual tension between us. He did reach out to me a couple years ago, and asked to see me. I allowed him to come over and meet my Partner, for a quiet dinner. He hadn'r changed; wanted to talk about his sexual exploits, and he was dressed in a revealing manner that showed off his body. It creeped me out and made my Partner uncomfortable. I haven't seen him since. He was a real jerk, I just don't understand why. And if he really was struggling with his sexuality, why not admit it? I came out to him when I started dating men
 
Personal opinion from a closeted bisexual guy here who would never date men (No feelings or desires for romance in any form with men) but would definitely fool around and engage sexually with them.... I can perhaps see this situation from that guys point of view. Obviously not a psychic or know this person, but he sounds similar to thoughts and experiences I've had. So it's a thought...

This very much sounds like you were... or he wanted you to be / become... his "outlet" for his bi-curious side / hidden bisexual side.

That "one and only" close friend "who was already out and a part of the sexual world" that he was / is perhaps trying to experience. The only person he could trust to "vent" those sexual desires with even if only in a very hidden and subtle manner at that point... so yes... being a bit of a slut, trying to be "seductive" if that's what he was (thought he was) doing, if he doesn't really know how to seduce a dude. Guessing he never sent dick pics or you would've said that... never watched porn together or put yourselves in a TRUE obvious and blatantly sexually charged environment together.

But if you had... I'm guessing that you two could've possibly ended up in a sexual situation together. (If you initiated it or made it obviously a possibility)

Now... you being capable of loving other men in a romantic way are indeed going to "see / feel" this situation very differently from a person like myself (and perhaps him) who doesn't, doesn't yet, etc. feel romantic feelings towards men, only lustful ones. Where you see crossing lines (barring there's more to this tale than already written about here) he may see...

"How far can I get with my trustworthy gay best friend / how far can I myself end up going if he's willing to let me experiment with him..."

Like I said before. You "were" possibly "that friend" to him. The one he trusted enough to be able to potentially share that secret and the one he saw as him being able to possibly vent THAT secret side of himself with with no fear of you outing him to the world if he wished for that side of himself to not be in any way shape or form a part of his public and open self.

Now... this is all speculation. This is all an opinion. But... if true... and you wanted nothing to do with "helping a closeted friend discover whether or not" he likes banging / getting banged by guys then sure... totally right call to ditch him and cut him off.

Or maybe should've just had the talk of... "hey, listen i cant help you with that..." for whatever reason, be it that you'd end up falling in love with him or desiring a relationship beyond just friends, where maybe he only would just want a secret bisexual sex buddy best friend blah blah. Where you're still just best friends... just best friends who also suck each other off when they hang out. Who knows... only him.

If that wasn't the case... and he WAS just being a meathead jock and wanting to show off his "gym progress" to a buddy... who knows. You've cut him off and moved on. It's all speculation at this point unless you talk to him again.

I myself had a "vent buddy" for a while until they got into a long term relationship with another guy. Then I cut that "venting" off because I'm not gonna be "that guy" to convince him to cheat on his relationship with me when it's nothing more to me than being best friends who also engage in sexual fun and secret venting.

But yes... this situation sounds like one of two things.

1. You were possibly turning into or he wanted you to become his super secret trusted "vent / trusted friend" with his secret bisexual / bi-curious side.

2. He's a meathead Jock who likes showing off his gym gaiiiinz to his buddy.

Only he knows... and only you can find out by talking to him If that's even an option.

All speculation... all a guess... who knows.
 
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Personal opinion from a closeted bisexual guy here who would never date men (No feelings or desires for romance in any form with men) but would definitely fool around and engage sexually with them.... I can perhaps see this situation from that guys point of view. Obviously not a psychic or know this person, but he sounds similar to thoughts and experiences I've had. So it's a thought...

This very much sounds like you were... or he wanted you to be / become... his "outlet" for his bi-curious side / hidden bisexual side.

That "one and only" close friend "who was already out and a part of the sexual world" that he was / is perhaps trying to experience. The only person he could trust to "vent" those sexual desires with even if only in a very hidden and subtle manner at that point... so yes... being a bit of a slut, trying to be "seductive" if that's what he was (thought he was) doing, if he doesn't really know how to seduce a dude. Guessing he never sent dick pics or you would've said that... never watched porn together or put yourselves in a TRUE obvious and blatantly sexually charged environment together.

But if you had... I'm guessing that you two could've possibly ended up in a sexual situation together. (If you initiated it or made it obviously a possibility)

Now... you being capable of loving other men in a romantic way are indeed going to "see / feel" this situation very differently from a person like myself (and perhaps him) who doesn't, doesn't yet, etc. feel romantic feelings towards men, only lustful ones. Where you see crossing lines (barring there's more to this tale than already written about here) he may see...

"How far can I get with my trustworthy gay best friend / how far can I myself end up going if he's willing to let me experiment with him..."

Like I said before. You "were" possibly "that friend" to him. The one he trusted enough to be able to potentially share that secret and the one he saw as him being able to possibly vent THAT secret side of himself with with no fear of you outing him to the world if he wished for that side of himself to not be in any way shape or form a part of his public and open self.

Now... this is all speculation. This is all an opinion. But... if true... and you wanted nothing to do with "helping a closeted friend discover whether or not" he likes banging / getting banged by guys then sure... totally right call to ditch him and cut him off.

Or maybe should've just had the talk of... "hey, listen i cant help you with that..." for whatever reason, be it that you'd end up falling in love with him or desiring a relationship beyond just friends, where maybe he only would just want a secret bisexual sex buddy best friend blah blah. Where you're still just best friends... just best friends who also suck each other off when they hang out. Who knows... only him.

If that wasn't the case... and he WAS just being a meathead jock and wanting to show off his "gym progress" to a buddy... who knows. You've cut him off and moved on. It's all speculation at this point unless you talk to him again.

I myself had a "vent buddy" for a while until they got into a long term relationship with another guy. Then I cut that "venting" off because I'm not gonna be "that guy" to convince him to cheat on his relationship with me when it's nothing more to me than being best friends who also engage in sexual fun and secret venting.

But yes... this situation sounds like one of two things.

1. You were possibly turning into or he wanted you to become his super secret trusted "vent / trusted friend" with his secret bisexual / bi-curious side.

2. He's a meathead Jock who likes showing off his gym gaiiiinz to his buddy.

Only he knows... and only you can find out by talking to him If that's even an option.

All speculation... all a guess... who knows.
No, this all sounds quite accurate. The dishonesty of approaching me opaquely without any regard for my personal feelings felt quite repugnant and immoral. I would have been willing to help him discover his hidden sexuality, and would have respected all requests for secrecy, but he had not the courage. Really quite disappointing, but alas for him I am not the type of man who is inclined to play frivolous games.
 
No, this all sounds quite accurate. The dishonesty of approaching me opaquely without any regard for my personal feelings felt quite repugnant and immoral. I would have been willing to help him discover his hidden sexuality, and would have respected all requests for secrecy, but he had not the courage. Really quite disappointing, but alas for him I am not the type of man who is inclined to play frivolous games.
It's a hard thing to even risk, let alone admit, very hard. Especially if he is anything like myself and his "sexual public image" is very set in the foundation of being straight.

Would take juuuust the right "talk"... just the right "way of approaching it" all together to admit someone like myself to admit that to a friend. All the factors would have to be there.

1. Can I trust him... has he proven himself trustworthy with things / secrets that could LITERALLY change my entire life.

2. Is doing this going to change anything between us / ruin our friendship... "Is it worth it?"

2a. Once / if anything does happen after I admit it is he gonna still just be friends or is he gonna take this all romantic and not just as friends

Blah blah blah... ON and on whatever is going on in his head.

Maybe you approached it too openly, as if he should "come out" and stop playing games. (If my theory is right that would never be admitted to because he doesn't want to do that he just wants his experiments and his best friend to)

But.... dead horse really haha. He's gone... you took offense to however method / whatever actions he was doing.... we will never know here in the peanut gallery haha.
 
It's a hard thing to even risk, let alone admit, very hard. Especially if he is anything like myself and his "sexual public image" is very set in the foundation of being straight.

Would take juuuust the right "talk"... just the right "way of approaching it" all together to admit someone like myself to admit that to a friend. All the factors would have to be there.

1. Can I trust him... has he proven himself trustworthy with things / secrets that could LITERALLY change my entire life.

2. Is doing this going to change anything between us / ruin our friendship... "Is it worth it?"

2a. Once / if anything does happen after I admit it is he gonna still just be friends or is he gonna take this all romantic and not just as friends

Blah blah blah... ON and on whatever is going on in his head.

Maybe you approached it too openly, as if he should "come out" and stop playing games. (If my theory is right that would never be admitted to because he doesn't want to do that he just wants his experiments and his best friend to)

But.... dead horse really haha. He's gone... you took offense to however method / whatever actions he was doing.... we will never know here in the peanut gallery haha.
Well one night he slammed me against the wall to imitate what he does to women and he asked me "Did that feel good?" He wanted to put me into a position where I essentially took advantage of him. Well I loved and respected my friend too much to do anything that compromised his moral integrity. I was man enough to admit that I liked men, and that I had begun to date others. I had to come to the conclusion that he was a coward and a liar.
 
Hard to say...

Coward... subjective at best. Each of us associates different "levels of fear" that are, or are not, "acceptable" for people to experience (and bend to) before they "meet" the level of being or becoming a Coward in our eyes.

Being afraid to admit you legitimately WANT a guy to shove his cock in your mouth vs. being afraid to admit you, like most humans, have "had thoughts about what it would be like" to suck another guy off are two VERY different things to admit to. And the act of admitting to those two levels of things take VERY different levels of whatever word you'd like to pair it with be it...

Courage... trust... openness... etc. Or any combination of all of the above words.

I don't know that he's able to be called a Coward in this instance. Not when it's just because he didn't admit to it "that one time" you confronted him about it. The "feeling" could've been off, the setting, the timing, how you said it, how he "took it" that one time. Etc.

Coward... I don't know that that works for this situation.

Liar... hard to say but potentially...

The old and often hated saying of "Withholding information isn't technically lying..." could apply here.

Not admitting something through words, when all his actions are screaming something else... ya it's hard to say here. Maybe he was lying about this... but I'd say ALL "in the closet" men who hide this secret about themselves would then be called a "Liar" if THAT is the measure of it.

Call me bias since I'm potentially (since I don't know that guy's mind) in the same boat as him. But not telling allllllll my friends that I'm bi and laugh it off and deny it if they were to ever confront me about it someday... I wouldn't see it as lying as much as withholding. It doesn't "harm them" to continue the facade that I'm 100% straight. And in fact it may by extension only save some people in our lives from harm by keeping such a secret hidden due to the (whether we like it or not... it's reality) social stigma that can then come from sexual admissions.

Is he liar... we all "measure" it differently. Me... we don't know "the truth" here. Even if it appears to be obvious. But we don't KNOW.

So like i said above... could he be seen as one... there's potential. But I don't know that there's "enough here" to call him one "just yet".

Now say he sucks you off several times and still TO YOU wouldn't admit he's bi... ya... we're not only a liar but we're delusional to haha.

But with no overt bisexual / gay actions going on with any kind of regularity... there's not "enough here" for me to join you in calling him a liar yet.
 
Hard to say...

Coward... subjective at best. Each of us associates different "levels of fear" that are, or are not, "acceptable" for people to experience (and bend to) before they "meet" the level of being or becoming a Coward in our eyes.

Being afraid to admit you legitimately WANT a guy to shove his cock in your mouth vs. being afraid to admit you, like most humans, have "had thoughts about what it would be like" to suck another guy off are two VERY different things to admit to. And the act of admitting to those two levels of things take VERY different levels of whatever word you'd like to pair it with be it...

Courage... trust... openness... etc. Or any combination of all of the above words.

I don't know that he's able to be called a Coward in this instance. Not when it's just because he didn't admit to it "that one time" you confronted him about it. The "feeling" could've been off, the setting, the timing, how you said it, how he "took it" that one time. Etc.

Coward... I don't know that that works for this situation.

Liar... hard to say but potentially...

The old and often hated saying of "Withholding information isn't technically lying..." could apply here.

Not admitting something through words, when all his actions are screaming something else... ya it's hard to say here. Maybe he was lying about this... but I'd say ALL "in the closet" men who hide this secret about themselves would then be called a "Liar" if THAT is the measure of it.

Call me bias since I'm potentially (since I don't know that guy's mind) in the same boat as him. But not telling allllllll my friends that I'm bi and laugh it off and deny it if they were to ever confront me about it someday... I wouldn't see it as lying as much as withholding. It doesn't "harm them" to continue the facade that I'm 100% straight. And in fact it may by extension only save some people in our lives from harm by keeping such a secret hidden due to the (whether we like it or not... it's reality) social stigma that can then come from sexual admissions.

Is he liar... we all "measure" it differently. Me... we don't know "the truth" here. Even if it appears to be obvious. But we don't KNOW.

So like i said above... could he be seen as one... there's potential. But I don't know that there's "enough here" to call him one "just yet".

Now say he sucks you off several times and still TO YOU wouldn't admit he's bi... ya... we're not only a liar but we're delusional to haha.

But with no overt bisexual / gay actions going on with any kind of regularity... there's not "enough here" for me to join you in calling him a liar yet.
Thank you for chiming in.
 
We closeted bi men are a strange bunch. Myself... I just want sex for the sex. I think a lot of other bi men are similar. Take a gander at a cruising app... Tons of closed "straight curious" (and married) guys. Many have a hard time even using the term bisexual. I don't think I could ever hookup with an existing friend of mine... Hence my use of Sniffies for finding playmates.
 
We closeted bi men are a strange bunch. Myself... I just want sex for the sex. I think a lot of other bi men are similar. Take a gander at a cruising app... Tons of closed "straight curious" (and married) guys. Many have a hard time even using the term bisexual. I don't think I could ever hookup with an existing friend of mine... Hence my use of Sniffies for finding playmates.
How bizarre. Surely one can see how harmful that type of behavior is. Sounds very deceitful.
 
How bizarre. Surely one can see how harmful that type of behavior is. Sounds very deceitful.
It's only deceitful if one misrepresents themselves. Using the app for hooking up... It serves that purpose. Most folks will explain their situation up front. If I was a gay man looking for a committed relationship, I would not be considering most bi men. But that's just me being bi. And the gay men I've hookup up with are just looking for right now. My profile and most others on hookup apps clearly state the terms.
 
It's only deceitful if one misrepresents themselves. Using the app for hooking up... It serves that purpose. Most folks will explain their situation up front. If I was a gay man looking for a committed relationship, I would not be considering most bi men. But that's just me being bi. And the gay men I've hookup up with are just looking for right now. My profile and most others on hookup apps clearly state the terms.
Well, didn't he do just that? He misrepresented his intentions despite taking the matter and form of an intention that cannot be disassociated from how it appears; trying to seduce me into a covert relationship.