The whole debate over sexual fluidity in gay porn is a race to the bottom. Why doesn't anyone ever go after the straight porn stars?

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I am not one for policing sexuality. However, the debate over gay porn creator's sexuality, the inclusion of trans men and cis women in gay porn is disheartening. Is gay porn so sacred to the gay experience that we're having discourses over it? The whole debate has made me dislike male sexuality as a whole. No, this whole forum.

My dissatisfaction with this thing is that it seems petty. From my unrealistic perspective, straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages. But the more I get involved in this debate the more that male sexuality is perverse and demonic. I thought that straight (and bisexual) women were living the dream. Turns out I was wrong because their men are porn addicts or sucking dick on the side.

Back to the porn and sexuality debate, why is it that straight people are allowed to have such images and gay men get shit? It doesn't help that gay men are defending porn as the high mark of gay expression.
 
I am not one for policing sexuality. However, the debate over gay porn creator's sexuality, the inclusion of trans men and cis women in gay porn is disheartening. Is gay porn so sacred to the gay experience that we're having discourses over it? The whole debate has made me dislike male sexuality as a whole. No, this whole forum.
This "debate" exists insofar as people on here or reddit or twitter are needlessly obsessed with this topic and they are the ones really driving this conversation, having it over and over running it into the ground. These people DO want to police the sexuality of others, hence this "debate".
My dissatisfaction with this thing is that it seems petty. From my unrealistic perspective, straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages. But the more I get involved in this debate the more that male sexuality is perverse and demonic. I thought that straight (and bisexual) women were living the dream. Turns out I was wrong because their men are porn addicts or sucking dick on the side.

Back to the porn and sexuality debate, why is it that straight people are allowed to have such images and gay men get shit? It doesn't help that gay men are defending porn as the high mark of gay expression.
Well I fundamentally don't agree with this hyper pessimistic take. Not sure where to begin, I think most of these suggestions are way too over the top, exaggerated or played up. Gay people don't just "get shit" That's such a myopic view.
 
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This "debate" exists insofar as people on here or reddit or twitter are needlessly obsessed with this topic and they are the ones really driving this conversation, having it over and over running it into the ground. These people DO want to police the sexuality of others, hence this "debate".

Well I fundamentally don't agree with this hyper pessimistic take. Not sure where to begin, I think most of these suggestions are way too over the top, exaggerated or played up. Gay people don't just "get shit" That's such a myopic view.
Can someone plz link a reddit post talking about this
 
It seems to me, this is prime candidate for "ignore what you don't like". If porn with vaginas in turns you off then don't watch that porn. If people talking about the content of porn annoys you then stay out of those discussions. There is enough of both porn and on-line discussions to find things you do like.
 

askgaybros have produce one of many of these threads. This is so sad.

It seems to me, this is prime candidate for "ignore what you don't like". If porn with vaginas in turns you off then don't watch that porn. If people talking about the content of porn annoys you then stay out of those discussions. There is enough of both porn and on-line discussions to find things you do like.

I think that it’s not the porn thing. It’s that some people are pissed that the definition of homosexuality now includes trans men. I find the whole debate around trans to be sad and hypocritical.

We still haven’t figured out how to integrate homosexuality into society. Now trans people want to join the debate.


I find it hypocritical because heterosexual men wouldn’t date a trans women. Due to the fact women tend to prefer men who are exclusively in biological women. The majority of women don’t want to date bisexual men so it’s not a stretch to say that trans women’s dating market would be limited.

That goes for the women who claim to allies to the LGBT community.
 
I think that it’s not the porn thing. It’s that some people are pissed that the definition of homosexuality now includes trans men. I find the whole debate around trans to be sad and hypocritical.
I think I probably misunderstood you because the description "gay porn" suggests porn in which men perform in order to turn on other men. Women would not normally take part.

I agree with you that it would be odd for someone with female external genitals to say "I now identify as a man, therefore I can expect gay men to fancy me and thus can start being a model in porn for gay men to watch" If any do, I still think the answer is to move on to watch what you prefer to watch. But, fundamentally, I think people are turned on by a body, not a gender identity.

But I also don't think trans men expecting to be fancied by gay men, or trans women expecting to be fancied by lesbian women, are the driver for trans people thinking they should be part of a single LGBT community. The argument there is that there are still too many people who have very narrow views and it helps to make allies with those who faced the consequences of this.

LGB people have already faced those who say "We can't understand why you would be like that and think it's unnatural; you must be being deliberately evil and we want to punish you, either directly or through discrimination". Trans people face the same but with some obvious differences:

  1. They are a much smaller minority.
  2. Trans awareness is much newer
  3. Most people can understand that sexual orientation is a function of the brain, not something that can be seen in the externally visible body. People struggle to understand that someone's gender identity, i.e. whether the feel inherently male or female is also a function of the brain and can be different from observed sexual characteristics.
 
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I have issue with the premise of this thread given the OP's opening paragraph.

First sentence states:
I am not one for policing sexuality.

Very next sentence then seems to be OP doing exactly what he claims he is not one for:
However, the debate over gay porn creator's sexuality, the inclusion of trans men and cis women in gay porn is disheartening. Is gay porn so sacred to the gay experience that we're having discourses over it?

What am I missing that these two sentences are not in conflict?
My dissatisfaction with this thing is that it seems petty. From my unrealistic perspective, straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages.
I think this sentence would read better with the qualifier "some" straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages.

Because last I knew, isn't the divorce rate for straight couples about 50%? That's no fairy-tale romance IMO if it's not forever, as I'm not aware of many fairy-tale marriages ending in divorce. ;)

I remember "and they lived happily ever after" in those fairy tales I read.

But the more I get involved in this debate the more that male sexuality is perverse and demonic. I thought that straight (and bisexual) women were living the dream. Turns out I was wrong because their men are porn addicts or sucking dick on the side.
Sweeping with a pretty broad brush here...

Because in the real world (disclaimer: Porn is NOT real), most straight men are not sucking dick on the side. Now their porn habits? No clue.

Back to the porn and sexuality debate, why is it that straight people are allowed to have such images and gay men get shit?
What exactly is the "shit" gay men get?

It doesn't help that gay men are defending porn as the high mark of gay expression.
I think you need the qualifier "a few" when you make such another sweeping statement. Because I don't know any gay men, other than a small minority here, who think that porn is real.

All porn is for MOST people is simply the catalyst, a mechanism that fuels their sexual release.

Well I fundamentally don't agree with this hyper pessimistic take. Not sure where to begin, I think most of these suggestions are way too over the top, exaggerated or played up. Gay people don't just "get shit" That's such a myopic view.
This ^^^.

And then this:
It seems to me, this is prime candidate for "ignore what you don't like". If porn with vaginas in turns you off then don't watch that porn. If people talking about the content of porn annoys you then stay out of those discussions. There is enough of both porn and on-line discussions to find things you do like.
I think that it’s not the porn thing. It’s that some people are pissed that the definition of homosexuality now includes trans men. I find the whole debate around trans to be sad and hypocritical.
Source? Link to source?

I ask because last I heard it's still LGBTQ+ no?

I find the whole debate around trans to be sad and hypocritical.
Why? How are those who are transgender any different from any "non-straight" who wants to be seen? Recognized. Accepted.

We still haven’t figured out how to integrate homosexuality into society. Now trans people want to join the debate.
Why would anyone want to deny our transgender brethren a seat at our big LGBTQ* table? Just because you or I or others may not be transgender doesn't mean we shouldn't welcome them with open arms.

I (or anyone for that matter) don't have to be transgender to understand they have enough prejudices and difficulties to overcome, so why should any gay person feel threatened by their wanting said table seat?

I find it hypocritical because heterosexual men wouldn’t date a trans women.
This is just not true.

Due to the fact women tend to prefer men who are exclusively in biological women.
Source? I ask because this is NOT my personal experience. I know several straight men who met and coupled with transgender women. Doesn't make them less of a man. Or less straight.

it’s not a stretch to say that trans women’s dating market would be limited.
What's funny is that many cis-gendered women have limited dating markets! That's not just something that a transgender woman may experience. I do know that there are a lot of men who have a "fetish" or seek out transgender women to date.

And the one factor that relates whether a cis- or transgender woman's dating market is limited is predominately looks. Not always, but more often than not.

LGB people have already faced those who say "We can't understand why you would be like that and think it's unnatural; you must be being deliberately evil and we want to punish you, either directly or through discrimination". Trans people face the same but with some obvious differences:

  1. They are a much smaller minority.
  2. Trans awareness is much newer
  3. Most people can understand that sexual orientation is a function of the brain, not something that can be seen in the externally visible body. People struggle to understand that someone's gender identity, i.e. whether the feel inherently male or female is also a function of the brain and can be different from observed sexual characteristics.
This ^^^
 
Not all of us who have grown up 'LGBT' who fought for equality, acceptance and the desire to integrate into society are on board with what this has turned into. It's now an aggressive push with an ideology that's not grounded in anything the LGBT movement was fighting for. Equality & acceptance

Why am I now supposed to accept terms like calling me 'queer', it's a revolting word and it was used hate speech for many gay men and kids particularly. I personally suffered physical violence in the 90s with that word used by the perpetrators. People who faced no repercussions since apparently being assaulted at school or on your way home weren't criminal enough since f@gs like me deserved it, or I should try to be less 'homo'.

I, and many others I know personally along with a growing voice online do not accept anything past the T being attached to our sexuality. Gender identity and fluidity are their own thing and also have no basis in reality. T being part of the LGB I understand even though this isn't a sexuality, since they were always part of our movement and many died and experienced violence fighting for rights with us. Traditional transexuals are not the same as people now self-IDing as non-binary who all claim to be 'transgender'. So many older trans-people worked their butts of with an acute desire to transition to the opposite sex, of which there are 2 sexes. Not scales of gender. Also there's a medical basis for transsexual people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Kids now walk into a gender affirming clinic, say they feel like a boy/girl and get handed puberty blockers, hormone treatments and have been able to get breasts cut off.

This doesn't mean we have to accept random girls claiming they identify as NB or men with lipstick and a wig with full facial hair jerking off in a women's bathroom as part of LGBT. There's plenty of science and medical basis behind LGBT people and the fact that we are genetically different (mentally for T).

Why are 1/4 youth in US now identifying as 'LGBTQ'? (queer/trans grew here)

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This is a huge topic that warrants plenty of discussion and debate on really important issues that aren't just ideas and beliefs, but have real-world consequences particularly with kids. 'Gender affirming care' allowing children under 18 to permanently remove organs and become infertile along with becoming medicalised for the rest of their lives is a not acceptable. There's also plenty of new research coming out to support that any medical intervention shouldn't be tolerated until someone's an adult. Lots of new research has come out to show people on a new perspective on old narratives and non-scientific surveys that were pushed by places like GLAAD. Cass Review everyone should know about already from last month, and this one done in Netherlands https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104510378303

Also this is the point where having literally any difference of opinion from 'LGBTQAI+' causes you to be deemed transphobic, homophobic, bigoted etc. If you don't fall in line with every talking point and idea that the activists and LGBTQ media promote than you're branded with any of these labels. Individual thought and expression isn't promoted - instead you're forced to accept that gay porn now includes FTM content even when the performer hasn't had bottom surgery. I should be okay that there's examples of teachers teaching about gender identity and pronouns, and that there's also books created for this age with cartoon depictions of gay fetish kinks. LGBT was never about pushing this stuff onto them which this new monstrosity formed from the old LGBT movement has demanded. This just brands your average gay man as a creep since we're 'part of the same group' even though I have nothing to do with what's currently being pushed.

I'm not transphobic for not getting hard looking a vagina. I'm a gay man, when I want to watch gay porn I only want to seen men and their wonderous cocks and loads. When I date, I only want a biological male. I have 3 friends who are traditional transexuals who also share similar views, they don't expect a straight or gay person to be attracted to them. And they get plenty of dick since their have their own community and people are are specifically into what they have going on (trans porn is pretty huge).

I'm sure the Marxists here who don't believe gays like me have a right to being ideologically different are allowed to have these views, apparently because I'm a man who's attracted to other men means I have to share all the same beliefs and world-views.

Also stop using cis, who likes to be called cis? At a minimum, 99% of the world's population is 'cis' and we don't need an ugly label to differentiate ourselves from trans-people. Add this the laundry list of concepts being pushed onto the larger non-LGBT population which is now being pushed back against, understandably, causing LGBT acceptance in the US to go backwards for the first time in over a decade.
 
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I am not one for policing sexuality. However, the debate over gay porn creator's sexuality, the inclusion of trans men and cis women in gay porn is disheartening. Is gay porn so sacred to the gay experience that we're having discourses over it? The whole debate has made me dislike male sexuality as a whole. No, this whole forum.

My dissatisfaction with this thing is that it seems petty. From my unrealistic perspective, straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages. But the more I get involved in this debate the more that male sexuality is perverse and demonic. I thought that straight (and bisexual) women were living the dream. Turns out I was wrong because their men are porn addicts or sucking dick on the side.

Back to the porn and sexuality debate, why is it that straight people are allowed to have such images and gay men get shit? It doesn't help that gay men are defending porn as the high mark of gay expression.
Porn is a fantasy. It's made primarily for men to masturbate and enjoy themselves. So who cares, just go and watch those hunky guys in action.
 
Porn is a product you pay for (or at least should be paying for), so I'm not against feedback and discussion to improve the product and do not see this as a social issue.

But also, whoever claims there's porn for everyone obviously does not have many kinks. Amateur 20sec clips? Sure. Professional porn? No. In fact there is less and less original porn that include the most basic kinks at all. OF also banned most of them.
 
Also stop using cis, who likes to be called cis? At a minimum, 99% of the world's population is 'cis' and we don't need an ugly label to differentiate ourselves from trans-people.

I agree that trans people are a very small minority, something that easy to forget given how much fuss is being made, but there is utility in having a word (prefix) which means the opposite of trans and, linguistically, cis is exactly that. People may say "What's wrong with normal?". How would gay people react if straight people were referred to as normal? It would imply that being gay was abnormal. So we need a different word.

Why are 1/4 youth in US now identifying as 'LGBTQ'? (queer/trans grew here)

The impression I got was that the big increase is in people identifying as bi but even that seems to be controversial. There was another post on here recently commenting that there are plenty of people who have some limited sexual experience with their own sex or who talk about having at least some attraction to their own sex who nevertheless identify as straight, and making a case that these people should identify as bi. There was a YouGov poll in the UK a while back (https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/12999-half-young-not-heterosexual) and the "not completely straight" category had grown significantly, i.e. people whose attraction was mainly oriented towards the opposite sex and who were looking for a partner of the opposite sex, but who could function well enough with their own sex to get some fun out of it and reached 49% among 18-24 year olds.

Then, back to gender identity and gender dysphoria, it seems to be this is a complex area. At one level there are people who seem to have a very strong internal sense that they are male or female that completely doesn't match their genitals. One current theory as to why that should be is that there are differences in the brain that develop in the womb. The default is for an embryo to develop as female. Apart from differentiating the gonads into testicles rather than ovaries, which is driven by the SRY gene (usually found on the Y chromosome), all the other virilisation happens as a result of testosterone but different things happen at different times. A failure to virilise the relevant part of the brain in an otherwise male fetus results in someone who feels female but with male genitals and virilisation of that part of the brain in an otherwise female fetus results in someone who feels male but with female genitals. Clearly in those cases this is more than social conditioning and we really can't expect to talk someone back to identifying as the gender of their physical body.

At the other extreme we have people whose likes and dislikes and how they see themselves in society don't match the norms for their sex. To what extent these people should live as the opposite sex from the one apparent at birth is up for debate but, for me, it seems the solution may be being more flexible about our expectations of people. We can all observe, and we can read books like "Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus" but these only describe general trends. Just as, while men are, on average, taller than women yet some women are taller than some men, so there are plenty of people who don't fit the generalization and that is all part of natural variation.
 
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Not all of us who have grown up 'LGBT' who fought for equality, acceptance and the desire to integrate into society are on board with what this has turned into. It's now an aggressive push with an ideology that's not grounded in anything the LGBT movement was fighting for. Equality & acceptance

Why am I now supposed to accept terms like calling me 'queer', it's a revolting word and it was used hate speech for many gay men and kids particularly. I personally suffered physical violence in the 90s with that word used by the perpetrators. People who faced no repercussions since apparently being assaulted at school or on your way home weren't criminal enough since f@gs like me deserved it, or I should try to be less 'homo'.

I, and many others I know personally along with a growing voice online do not accept anything past the T being attached to our sexuality. Gender identity and fluidity are their own thing and also have no basis in reality. T being part of the LGB I understand even though this isn't a sexuality, since they were always part of our movement and many died and experienced violence fighting for rights with us. Traditional transexuals are not the same as people now self-IDing as non-binary who all claim to be 'transgender'. So many older trans-people worked their butts of with an acute desire to transition to the opposite sex, of which there are 2 sexes. Not scales of gender. Also there's a medical basis for transsexual people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Kids now walk into a gender affirming clinic, say they feel like a boy/girl and get handed puberty blockers, hormone treatments and have been able to get breasts cut off.

This doesn't mean we have to accept random girls claiming they identify as NB or men with lipstick and a wig with full facial hair jerking off in a women's bathroom as part of LGBT. There's plenty of science and medical basis behind LGBT people and the fact that we are genetically different (mentally for T).

Why are 1/4 youth in US now identifying as 'LGBTQ'? (queer/trans grew here)

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This is a huge topic that warrants plenty of discussion and debate on really important issues that aren't just ideas and beliefs, but have real-world consequences particularly with kids. 'Gender affirming care' allowing children under 18 to permanently remove organs and become infertile along with becoming medicalised for the rest of their lives is a not acceptable. There's also plenty of new research coming out to support that any medical intervention shouldn't be tolerated until someone's an adult. Lots of new research has come out to show people on a new perspective on old narratives and non-scientific surveys that were pushed by places like GLAAD. Cass Review everyone should know about already from last month, and this one done in Netherlands https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104510378303

Also this is the point where having literally any difference of opinion from 'LGBTQAI+' causes you to be deemed transphobic, homophobic, bigoted etc. If you don't fall in line with every talking point and idea that the activists and LGBTQ media promote than you're branded with any of these labels. Individual thought and expression isn't promoted - instead you're forced to accept that gay porn now includes FTM content even when the performer hasn't had bottom surgery. I should be okay that there's examples of teachers teaching about gender identity and pronouns, and that there's also books created for this age with cartoon depictions of gay fetish kinks. LGBT was never about pushing this stuff onto them which this new monstrosity formed from the old LGBT movement has demanded. This just brands your average gay man as a creep since we're 'part of the same group' even though I have nothing to do with what's currently being pushed.

I'm not transphobic for not getting hard looking a vagina. I'm a gay man, when I want to watch gay porn I only want to seen men and their wonderous cocks and loads. When I date, I only want a biological male. I have 3 friends who are traditional transexuals who also share similar views, they don't expect a straight or gay person to be attracted to them. And they get plenty of dick since their have their own community and people are are specifically into what they have going on (trans porn is pretty huge).

I'm sure the Marxists here who don't believe gays like me have a right to being ideologically different are allowed to have these views, apparently because I'm a man who's attracted to other men means I have to share all the same beliefs and world-views.

Also stop using cis, who likes to be called cis? At a minimum, 99% of the world's population is 'cis' and we don't need an ugly label to differentiate ourselves from trans-people. Add this the laundry list of concepts being pushed onto the larger non-LGBT population which is now being pushed back against, understandably, causing LGBT acceptance in the US to go backwards for the first time in over a decade.
cis doesn't mean anything other than the opposite of trans. it's not "ugly".
 
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Not all of us who have grown up 'LGBT' who fought for equality, acceptance and the desire to integrate into society are on board with what this has turned into. It's now an aggressive push with an ideology that's not grounded in anything the LGBT movement was fighting for. Equality & acceptance

Why am I now supposed to accept terms like calling me 'queer', it's a revolting word and it was used hate speech for many gay men and kids particularly. I personally suffered physical violence in the 90s with that word used by the perpetrators. People who faced no repercussions since apparently being assaulted at school or on your way home weren't criminal enough since f@gs like me deserved it, or I should try to be less 'homo'.

I, and many others I know personally along with a growing voice online do not accept anything past the T being attached to our sexuality. Gender identity and fluidity are their own thing and also have no basis in reality. T being part of the LGB I understand even though this isn't a sexuality, since they were always part of our movement and many died and experienced violence fighting for rights with us. Traditional transexuals are not the same as people now self-IDing as non-binary who all claim to be 'transgender'. So many older trans-people worked their butts of with an acute desire to transition to the opposite sex, of which there are 2 sexes. Not scales of gender. Also there's a medical basis for transsexual people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Kids now walk into a gender affirming clinic, say they feel like a boy/girl and get handed puberty blockers, hormone treatments and have been able to get breasts cut off.

This doesn't mean we have to accept random girls claiming they identify as NB or men with lipstick and a wig with full facial hair jerking off in a women's bathroom as part of LGBT. There's plenty of science and medical basis behind LGBT people and the fact that we are genetically different (mentally for T).

Why are 1/4 youth in US now identifying as 'LGBTQ'? (queer/trans grew here)

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This is a huge topic that warrants plenty of discussion and debate on really important issues that aren't just ideas and beliefs, but have real-world consequences particularly with kids. 'Gender affirming care' allowing children under 18 to permanently remove organs and become infertile along with becoming medicalised for the rest of their lives is a not acceptable. There's also plenty of new research coming out to support that any medical intervention shouldn't be tolerated until someone's an adult. Lots of new research has come out to show people on a new perspective on old narratives and non-scientific surveys that were pushed by places like GLAAD. Cass Review everyone should know about already from last month, and this one done in Netherlands https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104510378303

Also this is the point where having literally any difference of opinion from 'LGBTQAI+' causes you to be deemed transphobic, homophobic, bigoted etc. If you don't fall in line with every talking point and idea that the activists and LGBTQ media promote than you're branded with any of these labels. Individual thought and expression isn't promoted - instead you're forced to accept that gay porn now includes FTM content even when the performer hasn't had bottom surgery. I should be okay that there's examples of teachers teaching about gender identity and pronouns, and that there's also books created for this age with cartoon depictions of gay fetish kinks. LGBT was never about pushing this stuff onto them which this new monstrosity formed from the old LGBT movement has demanded. This just brands your average gay man as a creep since we're 'part of the same group' even though I have nothing to do with what's currently being pushed.

I'm not transphobic for not getting hard looking a vagina. I'm a gay man, when I want to watch gay porn I only want to seen men and their wonderous cocks and loads. When I date, I only want a biological male. I have 3 friends who are traditional transexuals who also share similar views, they don't expect a straight or gay person to be attracted to them. And they get plenty of dick since their have their own community and people are are specifically into what they have going on (trans porn is pretty huge).

I'm sure the Marxists here who don't believe gays like me have a right to being ideologically different are allowed to have these views, apparently because I'm a man who's attracted to other men means I have to share all the same beliefs and world-views.

Also stop using cis, who likes to be called cis? At a minimum, 99% of the world's population is 'cis' and we don't need an ugly label to differentiate ourselves from trans-people. Add this the laundry list of concepts being pushed onto the larger non-LGBT population which is now being pushed back against, understandably, causing LGBT acceptance in the US to go backwards for the first time in over a decade.
We got along pretty well but I am a bit surprised that you have such strong opinions on such things. Politics always divide. And overall these issues are nowhere as big as it is blown out of proportion online.

I do hope you can take the time to soften a bit on these matters and remember you got along very well with a "Marxist" in private!
 
I have issue with the premise of this thread given the OP's opening paragraph.

First sentence states:


Very next sentence then seems to be OP doing exactly what he claims he is not one for:


What am I missing that these two sentences are not in conflict?
There are people on Twitter that are having fights with porn stars who identify as gay for having sex with cis women and ftm. I find this whole debacle to sad.

I think this sentence would read better with the qualifier "some" straight people get to have fairy-tale romances and Disney-style marriages.

Because last I knew, isn't the divorce rate for straight couples about 50%? That's no fairy-tale romance IMO if it's not forever, as I'm not aware of many fairy-tale marriages ending in divorce. ;)

I remember "and they lived happily ever after" in those fairy tales I read.



Straight people get the right to pretend that they're normal or superior to the LGBTQ community. They get the power to define the ideal or normality.
 
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What exactly is the "shit" gay men get?

We will always be looked down upon as less masculine. People will think that we're all degenerates or child molesters. Or that homosexual relationships are inferior to heterosexual ones. Heck, our relationships have only been recognized by the state until recently. Our rights are still up for debate.

Can you think outside of your liberal bubble? Some of us have to deal with the reality of living in red states.
What's funny is that many cis-gendered women have limited dating markets! That's not just something that a transgender woman may experience. I do know that there are a lot of men who have a "fetish" or seek out transgender women to date.

And the one factor that relates whether a cis- or transgender woman's dating market is limited is predominately looks. Not always, but more often than not.

Biological women have an edge over trans women. They can bear offspring and carry a family legacy. They also have power over the dating market. Trans women lack those characteristics. A biological woman can be a matriarch of a family, that is biologically hers. That is one potentiality that a transwoman can never have.
 
Not all of us who have grown up 'LGBT' who fought for equality, acceptance and the desire to integrate into society are on board with what this has turned into. It's now an aggressive push with an ideology that's not grounded in anything the LGBT movement was fighting for. Equality & acceptance

Why am I now supposed to accept terms like calling me 'queer', it's a revolting word and it was used hate speech for many gay men and kids particularly. I personally suffered physical violence in the 90s with that word used by the perpetrators. People who faced no repercussions since apparently being assaulted at school or on your way home weren't criminal enough since f@gs like me deserved it, or I should try to be less 'homo'.

I, and many others I know personally along with a growing voice online do not accept anything past the T being attached to our sexuality. Gender identity and fluidity are their own thing and also have no basis in reality. T being part of the LGB I understand even though this isn't a sexuality, since they were always part of our movement and many died and experienced violence fighting for rights with us. Traditional transexuals are not the same as people now self-IDing as non-binary who all claim to be 'transgender'. So many older trans-people worked their butts of with an acute desire to transition to the opposite sex, of which there are 2 sexes. Not scales of gender. Also there's a medical basis for transsexual people who are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Kids now walk into a gender affirming clinic, say they feel like a boy/girl and get handed puberty blockers, hormone treatments and have been able to get breasts cut off.

This doesn't mean we have to accept random girls claiming they identify as NB or men with lipstick and a wig with full facial hair jerking off in a women's bathroom as part of LGBT. There's plenty of science and medical basis behind LGBT people and the fact that we are genetically different (mentally for T).

Why are 1/4 youth in US now identifying as 'LGBTQ'? (queer/trans grew here)

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This is a huge topic that warrants plenty of discussion and debate on really important issues that aren't just ideas and beliefs, but have real-world consequences particularly with kids. 'Gender affirming care' allowing children under 18 to permanently remove organs and become infertile along with becoming medicalised for the rest of their lives is a not acceptable. There's also plenty of new research coming out to support that any medical intervention shouldn't be tolerated until someone's an adult. Lots of new research has come out to show people on a new perspective on old narratives and non-scientific surveys that were pushed by places like GLAAD. Cass Review everyone should know about already from last month, and this one done in Netherlands https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/1359104510378303

Also this is the point where having literally any difference of opinion from 'LGBTQAI+' causes you to be deemed transphobic, homophobic, bigoted etc. If you don't fall in line with every talking point and idea that the activists and LGBTQ media promote than you're branded with any of these labels. Individual thought and expression isn't promoted - instead you're forced to accept that gay porn now includes FTM content even when the performer hasn't had bottom surgery. I should be okay that there's examples of teachers teaching about gender identity and pronouns, and that there's also books created for this age with cartoon depictions of gay fetish kinks. LGBT was never about pushing this stuff onto them which this new monstrosity formed from the old LGBT movement has demanded. This just brands your average gay man as a creep since we're 'part of the same group' even though I have nothing to do with what's currently being pushed.

I'm not transphobic for not getting hard looking a vagina. I'm a gay man, when I want to watch gay porn I only want to seen men and their wonderous cocks and loads. When I date, I only want a biological male. I have 3 friends who are traditional transexuals who also share similar views, they don't expect a straight or gay person to be attracted to them. And they get plenty of dick since their have their own community and people are are specifically into what they have going on (trans porn is pretty huge).

I'm sure the Marxists here who don't believe gays like me have a right to being ideologically different are allowed to have these views, apparently because I'm a man who's attracted to other men means I have to share all the same beliefs and world-views.

Also stop using cis, who likes to be called cis? At a minimum, 99% of the world's population is 'cis' and we don't need an ugly label to differentiate ourselves from trans-people. Add this the laundry list of concepts being pushed onto the larger non-LGBT population which is now being pushed back against, understandably, causing LGBT acceptance in the US to go backwards for the first time in over a decade.
The term “cis” is totally neurolinguistic programming. The first several times I heard it, was in reference to men. “Cis-male”. Sounds like the word “sissy” which I would argue is an even uglier and meaner word than “queer”.
 
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Porn is a fantasy. It's made primarily for men to masturbate and enjoy themselves. So who cares, just go and watch those hunky guys in action.

It's not about the porn, it's the issues and ideals surrounding the porn. Don't you think that the whole policing of gay porn stars shows something in the environment? The thing that bugs me is that a lot of same-sex attracted men seem to think that being gay is only valid if you do x or were born that way. They care about porn because they feel like porn is representation.
 
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