Porn shouldn't be a representation it actually damages men. These gay gets so angry over a guy they most likely never gonna date or marry. And most won't even do gay porn but bitch about it not having gays.
The whole debate over sexual fluidity in gay porn is a race to the bottom. Why doesn't anyone ever go after the straight porn stars?
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Which is sad in and of itself.
I think the core of the issue is that they are worried about the optics of gay identity. This goes back to the notion that gays only deserve rights if they were "Born this way". You seem to think that they care about the sex that the creators are having. I am arguing that they trying to police what is proper behavior for gay-identified individuals. Hence, they're calling some performers "Fake Gays" and stuff of that nature.
These debates mostly and perhaps only happen on LPSG TWITTER AND REDDIT, where a lot of bitter gay men exist. And unsurprisingly on Reddit and Twitter these gay men are often republicans/conservatives.
While they do have some point in certain arguments to a certain extent, most of the time they’re just madly trans phobic and asking for rage bait for whatever reason when making those posts, and make completely black and white points that just aren’t true.
While they do have some point in certain arguments to a certain extent, most of the time they’re just madly trans phobic and asking for rage bait for whatever reason when making those posts, and make completely black and white points that just aren’t true.
On the other hand I do feel like if you’re a man who likes to have sex with women (unless doing it for money or performance like gay4pay or straight4pay), you should not probably call yourself 100% gay. It feeds into the “being gay is a choice” and the “maybe you just haven’t found the right women” tropes used by homophobes.
I mean hey Malik delgaty is straight and only has sex with men for money and performance. Gay men can do the same tho I don’t see why they will put themselves in that situation.
I mean hey Malik delgaty is straight and only has sex with men for money and performance. Gay men can do the same tho I don’t see why they will put themselves in that situation.
I agree with you that there are problems with the "born this way" argument. I can see where it comes from, though. In UK legislation there are what are called "protected characteristics", i.e. things on which it is illegal to discriminate, i.e. illegal to select candidates for a job according to those characteristics or to decide whether to serve a customer based on those characteristics etc. Things on the list include skin colour, and being male or female, i.e. things that are usually thought of as unchangeable, and not a choice of the person concerned. So the reasoning is, if sexual orientation can be established to be an innate trait rather than a choice, that can join the list of characteristics on which it is illegal to discriminate.
But, what if I could prove that being a serial killer is a result of the way the brain developers as a foetus and is thus already fixed at birth; that the serial killer cannot help himself and is only fulfilling his destiny? I can't see many people arguing that the loss of life is a reasonable accommodation to his nature. We would lock him up or, in some places, execute him just the same.
To me, its more a case that we don't have to have a narrow society in which everyone is expected to fit into a straitjacket. Does Tim Cook being gay have any bearing on the quality of the iPhone as a product? Of course not, only a bigot would think that. Does it matter if the headteacher of my daughters school is a lesbian? Of course not, if she leads the school we and, as a consequence, by daughter gets a great education then that's all I am worried about. Does it matter that a very bright electronics engineer who retired from my workplace a few years back came to work each day in a dress? Not if you have an open mind, it doesn't.
I get the impression that there are some in the USA who are keen to narrow people's minds again and wind the clock back to a certain extent and I can see why that would cause some anxiety, but I don't see how that bears on who does and does not appear in porn.
I think this is a case of where you draw the line between the various labels in common use. My take is that someone who is at 0 on the Kinsey scale will probably not have gay sex for money. Even with Viagra, you need at least a spark of arousal to be able to get it up.
But, someone who is a 1 on the Kinsey scale may well be able to perform in gay porn yet, because his attraction to women is much stronger than to men, would live an otherwise straight life by dating women and maybe marrying a woman. I don't think that man is doing anything wrong or bad.
It is also worth noting that some gay men get turned on by the idea of straight men being turned gay. It is, perhaps, a resolution of the frustration that most of the men they see around them are not available for sex.
I don't think "protected characteristics" are based on how you are born though. They are alternatively referred to as "immutable" characteristics. Aka things that you cannot change.
Gays not being literally "born gay" doesn't actually contradict this principle. It's been well established that one's sexuality cannot "change". Conversion therapy and such practices make that veye clear as well.
I agree to some extent. However you can be completely not attracted to men but still be able to achieve orgasm. How would you know if you’re fucking a man or a woman in a gloryhole for instance? And men do give better blowjob. Some stafught men do like anal sex.
There are gay porn performers who don’t find their scene partners attractive but manage to make it through via viagra or porn or fluffers.
Labels are not defining and should not be limiting, but it also has its boundaries
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I dont have a problem, for me its straight forward - refer to the biological birth!
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Vaginas in gay porn reminds me of women who have their bachelorette parties in gay bars. We need our safe spaces.
This is part of a large conversation about human sexuality and the right to live as a homosexual.
It's a matter of what it says about homosexuality and sexuality in general. If sexuality is fluid then would it make sense for society to promote and ensure heterosexuality?
That's not what sexologists and psychologists are saying. They argue that sexuality is somewhat plastic. This means that the nature of sexuality and human sexual behavior is going to become part of the cultural war again. Yes, it's porn actors, only fan creators, and their fans. However, I find the rise of sexual fluidity another for people to criticize same-sex attracted men.
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- adj. denoting individuals who have physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction to people of the same gender.
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n. physical, romantic, and/or emotional attraction or behavior between women. The name is derived from Lesbos, an Aegean island where the poet Sappho (c. 600 bce) wrote glowing accounts of erotic activities between women. Formerly called Sapphism. See also homosexuality. —lesbian adj., n.
It's not the porn in and of itself. It's the discussions around sexual behavior. Have you read this post?
The whole debate over sexual fluidity in gay porn is a race to the bottom. Why doesn't anyone ever go after the straight porn stars?
You're missing the point. Sexuality being fluid isn't and doesn't refer to ALL people. It's mostly referring to a subset of people. The subset of people who experience their sexuality not being as fixed as they thought. The average person isn't fluid. The average person won't experience this.
It's a total misunderstanding of the concept. One which states that sexuality sometimes shifts naturally in some individuals vs the idea that anyone's sexuality is therefore malleable and can be changed (by pressures or coercion).
These are not the same position. People like Andrew Rodriguez and other conversion therapy proponents don't understand this distinction.
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Very true but what you hear or read are statements that simply say, “sexuality is fluid” period.
That sounds very different from the nuanced truth, which you state above.
This wasn't the song you were singing on the Thiago thread
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