Anybody doing the ketogentic diet?

[nailz]

I wasn't aware people still follow this idiotic fad diet.

I rarely do keto but it remains the most effective way (in combination with HIIT) to cut fat while maintaining muscle, or to lose that last bit of troublesome fat.

Keto has worked for millions of people and it's obviously working for the OP as well. It's anything but a "fad diet": it's been around for a century, it works very predictably, it's a very strict and difficult diet follow so most intelligent people going into it have no delusions about it being "easy" or "magic".

 

[Flexxx]

When I competed I cycled my carbs and would increase the amount of time I went to zero carbs as the diet progressed. It wasn't easy but you do what you have to do.

 

[Sailingbear]

I have read that below 50 mgs is ok, I also saw below 30 gms of carbs. I am doing ok with around 20, but could go to zero with no problem. I am also doing mini fast to keep the weight coming off. After breakfast I don't eat again till after 5:00. That is 12 hours from last meal.

 

[nailz]

It's virtually impossible to go down to 0 unless you eat nothing but meat all day.
Even multivitamins and psyllium husk typically have trace carbs so there isn't really a true "zero carb" way to get your required fiber and vitamins/minerals

 

[Sailingbear]

It's virtually impossible to go down to 0 unless you eat nothing but meat all day.
Even multivitamins and psyllium husk typically have trace carbs so there isn't really a true "zero carb" way to get your required fiber and vitamins/minerals

I should have said much lower. I don't count the vitamins or meds I take. No carb data on bottle. My carbs come from the half cup of strawberries and green Vega I eat. I usually run in the 18 gms range.

 

[Jacob24]

I lost 230 lbs doing this diet - it works, and I maintain a great health profile to this day

 

[Max_Polo]

this idiotic fad diet

Limiting carbohydrates (even to the extreme) is no more a "fad" than is driving a car to go to work.

No dietary strategy has more long-term success data than does carbohydrate limitation; this is pretty settled science.

If you have a different strategy that works for you, great! But to discourage someone else from following low carbohydrate lifestyle is inappropriate.

 

[sangheili90]

you need to go read about Ketogentic diets. Lot on YouTube covering foods you can eat and what it will do for your health. The weight I lost was due to this diet thus is the cause of my better blood work numbers. .As to why I won't eat like you, been there, did not work for me. As with most people on the ketogentic diet I have seen my cholesterol, triglycerides, blood sugars, and now my blood pressure drop. All positives. As for fruits and starches they are and have been out of my diet for a long time. I have a long list of vegetables I can eat with out starch. The addition of starch in your diet spikes insulin which triggers fat storage and leads to insulin resistance and excess weight. As a culture we eat way too many starches and sugars, the keto diet cuts them out. We eat non processed foods, meat is organic or wild caught, and the green vegetables (spinach, cabbage, and members of their family) are organic. Lastly you may not like my diet, but it works for me and I am healthier for being on it. When you gain that extra 20 to 40 pounds and have all the negatives that come with the extra weight you will at least know where to look for help.

I'm sorry, but the science is very clear on this and nothing the low carb gurus say is actually based on fact. There is no reason to severely limit your consumption of fruit, whole grains, legumes and other whole carb sources (sweet potatoes, etc.). It's pretty clear how bad high fat diets are for your health, I'm not sure what your diet is based around but people that do a keto diet often follow a very animal based food diet (whole fat dairy, eggs, meat, etc.). It's great that you lost weight but it doesn't take all that much work, I just don't follow the logic that you think limiting carbs from the foods I mentioned is good thing but eating exorbitant amounts of fat isn't a problem at all.

Also, as a culture we eat too many refined sugars, high fructose corn syrup, refined grains, processed foods and meat.

 

[sangheili90]

Limiting carbohydrates (even to the extreme) is no more a "fad" than is driving a car to go to work.

No dietary strategy has more long-term success data than does carbohydrate limitation; this is pretty settled science.

If you have a different strategy that works for you, great! But to discourage someone else from following low carbohydrate lifestyle is inappropriate.

Sorry, but limiting carbohydrates is no more beneficial in regards to weight loss in comparison to just eating a balanced diet that creates a caloric deficit. The only reason people feel this way is because by going on a low carb diet they are eliminating they are eliminating the processed foods from their diet and replacing it with wholesome foods. People don't get fat eating apples, shredded wheat and bake potatoes.

You need to learn about real nutrition science, eating a high fat diet is not exactly good for you.

 

[sangheili90]

I rarely do keto but it remains the most effective way (in combination with HIIT) to cut fat while maintaining muscle, or to lose that last bit of troublesome fat.

Keto has worked for millions of people and it's obviously working for the OP as well. It's anything but a "fad diet": it's been around for a century, it works very predictably, it's a very strict and difficult diet follow so most intelligent people going into it have no delusions about it being "easy" or "magic".

I'm sorry, but just because people can lose weight eating like this does not mean it is somehow ideal, my main argument is that it isn't good for your health and that it is no more beneficial for fat loss compared to a more balanced diet. People shouldn't feel the need to follow a diet like this, one because it's bad for your health and two because it doesn't take much effort to get down to a healthy body weight. Most westerners eat terribly, it generally consists of lots of processed foods, sugars, meat and dairy but little in the way of whole fruits, veggies, etc. Eating leaner protein sources (greek yogurt, egg whites, lean meats, seafood, soy, etc.), lots of vegetables, whole fruits, whole grains, nuts, tubers, legumes is a very easy diet to adhere to. The goal should be to embrace dietary habits that can last for a life time, ones that can lead to more optimal health and allow one to easily get to and maintain a health body fat level.

 

[socalfreak]

I'm sorry, but the science is very clear on this and nothing the low carb gurus say is actually based on fact. There is no reason to severely limit your consumption of fruit, whole grains, legumes and other whole carb sources (sweet potatoes, etc.). It's pretty clear how bad high fat diets are for your health, I'm not sure what your diet is based around but people that do a keto diet often follow a very animal based food diet (whole fat dairy, eggs, meat, etc.). It's great that you lost weight but it doesn't take all that much work, I just don't follow the logic that you think limiting carbs from the foods I mentioned is good thing but eating exorbitant amounts of fat isn't a problem at all.

Also, as a culture we eat too many refined sugars, high fructose corn syrup, refined grains, processed foods and meat.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2716748/

You're right... The science *is* very clear.
Now, STFU and turn off your sister's laptop, ya fucking blowhard.

 

[twoton]

I thought I saw somewhere, recently, that being in ketosis can be unsafe.

 

[Galloper]

I thought I saw somewhere, recently, that being in ketosis can be unsafe.

It is, is quite common in uncontrolled people with diabetes.

 

[southeastone]

I thought I saw somewhere, recently, that being in ketosis can be unsafe.

So can being fat I guess, don't think this is a long term life style choice but if it gets overweight people to the place they want to be then it can't be all bad. One of the reasons "traditional" diets don't in many cases work is that after eating reduced portions of food on calorie controlled diets people are hungry and when they get on the scales and see they have lost 1 or 2 pound in a week they get demotivated, with low carb the weight drops quick without the hunger, the motivation goes up and the journey starts to a better body.

 

[Jacob24]

For those claiming its unsafe nature, please discern the differences between ketosis and ketoacidosis. That's a major point of confusion for many people.

 

[sangheili90]

So can being fat I guess, don't think this is a long term life style choice but if it gets overweight people to the place they want to be then it can't be all bad. One of the reasons "traditional" diets don't in many cases work is that after eating reduced portions of food on calorie controlled diets people are hungry and when they get on the scales and see they have lost 1 or 2 pound in a week they get demotivated, with low carb the weight drops quick without the hunger, the motivation goes up and the journey starts to a better body.

Losing one to two pounds on a weekly basis is excellent progress. Low carb diets result in rapid weight loss initially due to the fact you are depleting the body of it's glycogen stores, which is in the muscle and liver. When glycogen is stored in the muscle it will also draw in water, ask any bodybuilder or serious lifter who is cutting on a low carb diet and you'll see that they flatten out. Eating a diet that is high in fiber will fill you up easily, combine this with lean protein sources and a diet based around whole foods and you are good to go.

 

[sangheili90]

For those claiming its unsafe nature, please discern the differences between ketosis and ketoacidosis. That's a major point of confusion for many people.

It's unsafe because you are eating a diet that is ridiculously high in fat, this is terrible for your cardiovascular health and it is also well understood that this leads to insulin resistance. Elevated cortisol levels, sub optimal for physical performance, the list goes on.

 

[Sailingbear]

It is, is quite common in uncontrolled people with diabetes.

That is ketoacidous

It is, is quite common in uncontrolled people with diabetes.

That is ketoacidosis not the same as me to diets. It is why type one diabetics should not do high portend diets. When a person has Martinsville the body can not get energy from carbs or fats. Their ketones would be off the scale.

 

[Sailingbear]

That is ketoacidous

That is ketoacidosis not the same as me to diets. It is why type one diabetics should not do high portend diets. When a person has Martinsville the body can not get energy from carbs or fats. Their ketones would be off the scale.

spell check got me again. The portent was protein, the Martinsville is ketoacidosis, and the first line is ketoacidosis is not the same as a me to diet.

 

[Max_Polo]

It is, is quite common in uncontrolled people with diabetes.

Only in Type 1 diabetes and that's a different metabolic issue entirely. Most people who "fast" from dinner thru the night will have some ketones in their urine the following morning, it is the body's perfectly reasonable and usual response to fasting. The ketones are merely a marker for the absence of carbohydrate intake and are otherwise meaningless.