Bi-phobia in porn.

After that movie scene, James Deen did admit that he had experimented some, out of curiosity and for fun. He is not the only porn star who has gotten so jaded with with sex, from the porn they are doing, that they need to try new and more boundary pushing sex acts, to get that same thrill they used to get; he said that some cross over privately, to get it.

Makes sense. I think you'd have to be borderline hypersexual just to be in porn, in general.

There definitely is a stigma. I think most of them are "bi" in the sense that a lot of women are "bi" aka they will fuck with the same sex when horny for it,but not date em. Of course visually society isnt as into 2 men doing it onscreen as opposed to 2 women.

However There definitely is a majority of male viewers that are at least somewhat bi-curious, based on popularity of big dick, cuck and bbc porn
 
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After that movie scene, James Deen did admit that he had experimented some, out of curiosity and for fun.

James Deen Has No Problem With Gay Sex, “Feels Bad” About Being Straight
I’ve kissed other dudes in my life, so it’s not really a big deal. I have this conversation a lot because there is still a lot of homophobia in the world and in adult films, when you’re sharing a scene with another dude and a lady, sometimes certain things come up: gay this, gay that. The way I define gay or homosexuals is a sexual attraction to a member of the same sex. I fully believe that people can engage in any sort of activity. Like I hate basketball, but I’ve played basketball before and it doesn’t make me a professional basketball player. That [gay-sex] scene was a very important part of the movie, because it kind of represents the power switch. I think Bret was really worried I wouldn’t want to do it. It’s part of the script. It’s not like it’s real life. I’m not shooting a porno where I have to get physically erect and have sex with a dude. [...]

When I was younger, I think I was like 15 or something, I would have a moment where I was like, I don’t know, maybe I like guys, maybe I like girls, what is life? I experimented and I never really… I’m not attracted to dudes. I kinda sometimes feel bad about that, I feel like I’m supposed to be because I hang out in San Francisco so much and people make me feel really bad for being a straight, white dude and I feel like I’m doing something wrong for being a straight white dude.”


– Porn actor and Lindsay Lohan’s The Canyons co-star James Deen discussing gay sex at length with Gawker.

http://gawker.com/straight-porn-superstar-james-deen-talks-gay-sex-onscr-979658995



Attitudes toward bisexuality have always pissed me off. There's the erasure aspect where some people think bisexuality doesn't exist, and then there's the view that bisexual people are sex addicts and deviants. From my experience this is equally a problem among straight people and the LGBT sphere.

There definitely is a stigma. I think most of them are "bi" in the sense that a lot of women are "bi" aka they will fuck with the same sex when horny for it,but not date em. Of course visually society isnt as into 2 men doing it onscreen as opposed to 2 women.



Could not agree more with both of you. I think it makes it harder with the stigma.

And as @Satyros says, gay people aren't removed from the vitriol they cast on bi performers and people at times.

I can confess to being closed minded to gay4pay performers at one time. But hey, it's a living.

And I never had twitter and or started attacking these performers personally.

If I didn't like them I didn't even give them the time of day. Unlike the cesspool you see on some gay porn websites.


However There definitely is a majority of male viewers that are at least somewhat bi-curious, based on popularity of big dick, cuck and bbc porn

Just Like Ron Jeremy recently, I can bag on how the internet ruined some parts of porn.

But @MilfBanger78, this is a good point.
Social Media has exposed , and dare I say, REDEFINED some of our fetishes..

Look at THIS site. A bunch of cool big dick guys who don't mind showing off to a bunch of dudes.

That's what it balls down to at the end of the day. The audience for guys with big dicks, and guy on guy action will be predominantly male, with sexual proclivities all over the spectrum.

Any good looking guy with a huge wang could make a mint if they played their cards right.
 
Only 15% of the straight porn stars are straight then, according the porn starlett above. She doesn't have many dudes to choice from, since she doesn't like "cross-overs" at all (alternating between making gay and straight porn).


Well, here's another one..


If you're counting the ratio, one chick says 75%, the next one says 85%, now this one says 95% of straight guys in porn are Bisexual.


They are the ones fucking the guys. SOooooo,, what do you guys think??
 
along the sexual orientation considerations... I think that the look toward masculinty contained in porn scenes... and its direct physical representation... the male body... can bring the reflection over a gender aspect...
indeed... lol... I think that there are guys who are really interested in the male body and/or male personality regardless of their effective sexual orientation...
thus... while straight, bi and gay men can be interested in spending much time to observe and attempting to characterize the masculinity features and attributes... at the contrary... other men issued from these 3 categories could be totally hermetic to this gender... and therefore rather being interested in the feminity and its direct physical representation... the woman body...
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I'm myself litterally obssessed... hypnoticised with masculinity... and the very important visual pleasure I feel while watching straight porn strongly suggests me that many of these straight scenes display an important to very important look to this masculine gender...
because if these movies were giving a more important role to feminity... I can't see how I could be so interested in them...
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so... with this point... it may not be so surprising if now I write that a gay movie can be not so interesting for me... precisely because... in spite of its gayness... lol... its masculinity visualization is not pertinent enough for me...
...............
indeed... the fact of being gay doesn't necessarily imply that a man is fond of masculinty... lol... a little bizarre to write this... but I really think it could be true...
and of course... at the reverse side... the fact of being straight doesn't necessarily imply that a man is fond of feminity...:D... even more bizarre for that one... lol... but once again... I think it could be true...
in the same way an important portion among the gay men would prefer having large and stimulating reflections about feminity... a not so neglectible portion among straight men would look for passionate reflections about masculinty... as myself...
:)
ok...
 
Man, I forgot he did gay porn before.. Now this is a perfect example of a cross over.

But a stalk reminder of once they go straight, they seal their fate (returning to gay porn).


With guys like Wilde/Hughes, like Chris Strokes who have done gay porn before, it would be cool to see then dip their toe on both sides of the isle without fear of deprecation.

The female straight porn stars say they want nothing to do with "crossovers" sexually.


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Is this going to be the 'must have' for 2
This topic I had brewing in my mind for a few days started as I was researching my latest fascination with Brick Danger/

I tapped unto an interesting link from the Bisexual blog.
http://www.shybi-guys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23743&st=0&p=248015&hl=brick&fromsearch=1&#entry248015

I read on as a few posters commented, he, Brick, had either endorsed he was Bisexual, or they were sure he was bisexual.

Matter the fact, there was a YouTube link from this porn actress Kelly Devine. Kelly Divine: 75% of Male Adult Stars Are Bisexual

She elaborated/ suggested/

Kelly Divine: 75% of Male Adult Stars Are Bisexual

In proper YouTube fashion, I looked on the right hand Colum and saw a few more related topics, and there’s another chick Nikki Benz, who approximates;
Nikki Benz: I Would Guess 85% of Males in The Industry Are Bisexual


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UV40e-78dNw&t=7s.



I saw a few more like these. Including a few where Male porn actors were denying being bi, even after being arrested and caught in compromising positions with transsexuals.


First off, I’m still stoked on the possibility of that long delicious pasty white, high sticking, fast stroking dick of Brick Danger possibly doing a dude. And if he is, sign me up.


But the biggest intrigue came from what seems to be sincere interviews by porn actresses who put a very high number value on the gay for pay guys being Bi. As well as guys in porn, who are assumed to be straight that are actually Bi.


I posted a while back on this interview that is allegedly Julian Rios owning up to being Bi.


What are you guys’ thoughts on the possibility of this being an actual thing, let alone such a high number?
Is this going to be the 'must have' for 2018...??
 
https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/bisexual-porn-star-differences-gay-straight-porn/#gs.LGDDRtg


Bisexual porn star reveals the differences between gay and straight porn
Porn actor Chris Zeischegg reveals pay differences, the pressure to get and stay hard, and the stigma of being bi in the industry
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Bisexual performer Danny Wylde reveals the differences between gay and straight porn
3 February 2018
Joe Morgan
When porn actor Chris Zeischegg answered a Craigslist ad looking for guys to get penetrated by women wearing dildos on camera, little did he know that decision would change his life.

He became Danny Wylde, one of Kink.com’s first male models in femdom porn.

Beginning a career in porn
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‘I didn’t know a lot about BDSM at the time,’ he told Gay Star News.

‘In my head, I was like, if I was going to do any kind of porn my family probably wouldn’t look at this.’

Chris had a little experience as a naked model for gay photographers who wanted him to masturbate in front of them.

‘They would say your cock looks better,’ he said.

Working for Kink.com, he met his ex-girlfriend. She introduced him to producers, agents and filmmakers in the adult industry, and his career started to flourish.

‘You can’t do both. You gotta pick a side if you want a career.’
As he felt open about his bisexuality, he did both gay and straight scenes in San Francisco.

‘When I moved to Los Angeles I discovered, as a guy, you can’t do both. You gotta pick a side if you want a career,’ Chris said, noting there’s a lot of ‘old man money’ tied up in porn.

‘There is a stigma against men in straight porn doing any kind of gay porn,’ he explained.

‘Straight porn producers would say to me, “We don’t want you to do gay porn because there’s a HIV risk.”

‘We don’t want you to do gay porn because there’s a HIV risk.’
‘Because I was dating a woman in straight porn, she also had baggage around it as her dad is gay. We got into some fights.’

So he stayed in straight porn for a long time.

He was being paid around $500 – $700 a scene, and landed a year-long contract with a older woman-younger man porn production company who paid him $48,000 to work only six days a month.

Chris wanted to do more gay porn as it paid better per scene, and would have fights with his ex-girlfriend about it.

‘The turnover for straight porn is really high,’ he explained. ‘If you’re a brand new girl and work for all the sites, they need you to wait for a few months before they can hire you again.

‘As the straight guy, you’re not the star so they can hire you again and again.

‘In gay porn, it’s a similar situation but with that you are the star.’

Getting black-listed from the industry
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When marriage equality started to come to the US, Chris figured no one would think it was a big deal anymore to do both.

But then he got black-listed.

An email was sent out to the industry detailing which male performers were ‘deemed HIV risks’.

Attached was a picture of Chris giving a blowjob to a man.

‘It was my only source of income, and I was not happy,’ Chris said. ‘I called one agent who I was on good terms with, and he said, “when was the last time you did anything gay?’

Chris told him six months ago, even though he was lying, because that was the timeframe that would enable him to keep working.

Straight male porn stars are sleeping with men for money
The issue was he knew a lot of guys working in straight porn were happy to sleep with men for money.

‘Every fucking guy, especially if he’s well known, has been offered to do something sexual with a man,’ he said.

‘I know a lot of them have done it. They’d never admit it publicly.’

When Chris has dated guys, none of them long-term, many questioned why he was doing straight porn and also dating them.

All the women he has dated have been in the industry.

‘Some people just want to fuck one type of person, and that’s not me.’
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People would treat me like I was “dabbling” in different worlds,’ Chris said.

‘Especially in the US, because of this deep-seated religious past, people’s brains are ingrained in identities. If you’re sleeping with guys and also sleeping with women, you’re a fucking poser or a tourist and this is not your identity.

‘Some people just want to fuck one type of person, and that’s not me.’

Unlike some bisexual performers, there was no effort to brand him as ‘gay-for-pay’ in same-sex films. He was also not interested in changing his porn name for different scenes.

‘I just didn’t vocalize that I liked girls. Guys would fuck me in the ass or I’d fuck them. I was very young and twinky-looking so it wouldn’t have worked from a marketing perspective.’

Leaving porn
Ultimately, Chris decided to leave the industry for health reasons.

‘99% of guys take erectile dysfunction drugs as a performance enhancer. It’s not like you can’t perform without them but it’s about consistency,’ Chris said.

‘If you fuck up a scene meaning you can’t get it up or you can’t keep it up, the director isn’t going to hire you again.’

So he started taking Cialis consistently, and even dabbled in injections. He ended up in hospital for priapism, an erection that won’t go down, several times.

‘The last time it happened, the doctors had to bleed the side of my dick,’ Chris said, remembering back to 2013.

‘The doctor at that point in the emergency room said I would build scar tissue in my penis and I might not be able to get an erection.

‘I thought it wasn’t worth it. The next day I quit.

‘It wasn’t a good time as my whole career and identity was tied up in porn. It was devastating.’

Moving on
The porn actor is now on the other side of the camera, working in production and post-production.

He became a hustler (he says his clients are mostly male with the occasional woman wanting to pay), and also works as a freelance video editor. He also does cam shows on his Only Fans account.

‘It’s remarkable to me how many young straight women are casual fans of porn. They don’t pay for it. I don’t think a lot of young gay men pay either.

‘People who pay for it, like private Skype sessions, tend to be middle-aged men.’

Chris is also a writer. His next book is called Body to Job. It’s the closest thing he has written to a memoir, although it includes some magical realism and fictional violence. It’s available now.
 
I always liked Danny/Chris and hoped he would do an MMF scene with Wolf Hudson, where they take turns being in the middle of the MMF.
 
where they take turns being in the middle of the MMF.


I wonder if this is an indicator. according to those female porn models, they insinuate the guys who do the Double Penetration deal where their dongs touch, are or more open to hooking up off camera.

Can you imagine some of our favorites we don't even suspect hooking up?
 
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Here's the thing. On-screen chemistry can be faked.

My in-laws still do not believe that Anne Heche is lesbian/bisexual/flexible/whatever because her character in Six Days Seven Nights had believable chemistry with Harrison Ford's character.

They are actors playing a role for pay. The more convincing their act, the more chances they get to act and the more pay they earn.

All that said...people willing to fuck on camera for pay are definitely not "like everyone else" and are likely hypersexual as mentioned above. I think perhaps "hypersexual" is an orientation all its own that transcends straight/gay/bi/flexible.
 
uMy input is, I’ve worked with, interviewed guys who have done porn on both sides of the house.

Most of them consider themselves straight, and jokingly opportunist, you get the drift.

Then I remember whenever there was a rare moment when the spouse/ girlfriend had a private moment with me or a colleague, whenever it came up, they would say some variation of, "You know he’s not straight right? I don’t want any arguments. But when you sleep with a guy, you can tell."



Watching the porn actresses, they have that same aura as the women from back in the day. It’s right to say now-a-days, sexuality is so fluid…

I have not read the whole thead yet but I'm not surprised that the little-known terms HETEROFLEXIBILITY and HOMOFLEXIBILITY (I am the latter) have not been mentioned yet on the first page. And wouldn't be surprised if they have not been brought up yet at all. I believe a lot of the biphobia is unfortunately coming from the gay community and the resistance/reluctance to even acknowledging its existence is mainly due to this ignorance/misunderstanding. Bisexuality is real but I think genuine bisexuals are rare. And most people who consider themselves or deny that they are bisexual (due partly to the bi/homophobia and partly to the ignorance) may actually be in the "flexible" category.

If we go by the definition of a sexual orientation as simply by "who you're sexually and romantically attracted to," it would make things clearer with no ambiguity. True bisexuals are physically and romantically attracted to both sexes/genders, maybe not equally all the time but they could date men and women. The fact that that's rare probably doesn't help against the biphobic claim that it's a myth. And when guys in straight porn may have done stripping prior to porn (as a lot of them started with), it's unlikely that they served only women and likely that they escorted for men also. So here's the rub: Are they really bi (biphobes would even call them closeted gay) if all they did with other men was get sucked off for money? If yes, that would make maybe 25% or more of men bi. No, they're heteroflexibles. In the same vein, I'm gay who enjoys playing with girls occasionally and I've had MFM threesomes with my straight buddy and other straight couples. I love eating girls' pussies and making them cum, but should I then call myself bi (or "self-hating fag" because I cannot possibly be straight according to biphobes)? [BTW, the latter is truly a rhetorical question as it's more likely that straight guys will be called "gay" for even the slightest metrosexual or feminine trait than for a gay guy to be called "straight" (hilarious just thinking about it lol) like that's even a disparaging term. But that's another but very related topic that deserves its own thread. Also related to why why women can wear pants but men can't wear dresses.]

"Flexibles" are not attracted to the same sex but can be attracted to a SEXUAL ACT with them for some specific reason. These are the ones who go to glory holes because men do give the best BJs and they're excited by the taboo and anonymity factors. They don't even care if it's a 70 y/o man with no teeth (may even be better because some say those are the best mouths lol) after taking off their dentures. Or money. But would they leave their GFs or wives for them? Hell no. Would I give up men for the prettiest girl? Hell no. This is how and why some MSM insist for good reason that they still identify as "straight" even when they love getting pegged by women or bottoming for other men or trans women. [Another related topic: Anal pleasure has nothing to do with sexual orientation.]

For this reason, I would classify these activities under "fetishes" and not under genuine sexual orientations. The old straight/bi/gay rubrics just aren't enough for all the complexities and the full spectrum of human sexuality.

There are even some people who are hard to put under any of those categories. There is a heteroflexible guy who comes to me at least once or twice a month (sometimes per week) only for BJs because it's probably his favorite sexual act of all and girls just don't do it well, if they even like doing it at all. But he can only fuck and date girls. He's not attracted to guys physically and romantically at all. But he enjoys watching gay porn while getting sucked off. (I joke that he watches more gay porn than I do, but it's true. We're actual opposites. I mostly watch straight porn, maybe 98%.) He clearly illustrates somebody who has a clear and specific fetish. But the terms "heteroflexible" and its opposite for me make us more understandable. And he's not bi, which he thinks he is, if he's not attracted to other guys, especially to the masculine and muscular types. Although his love for gay porn puts him in some unnamed niche between or above "heteroflexible" and "bisexual" because most if not all the other heteroflexible guys I've encountered only get turned on by straight, trans female with male and/or lesbian porn.

So it's not that "sexuality is more fluid these days" necessarily but that it's been that way forever bur we understand it more now and there are more ways to explore all sexual possibilities due to more open-mindedness and bridges created by technology. Hey, the Greeks were probably ahead of their time or, more likely, just practicing what we're doing now just as much as they did but, ironically, more openly.
 
I have not read the whole thead yet but I'm not surprised that the little-known terms HETEROFLEXIBILITY and HOMOFLEXIBILITY (I am the latter) have not been mentioned yet on the first page. And wouldn't be surprised if they have not been brought up yet at all. I believe a lot of the biphobia is unfortunately coming from the gay community and the resistance/reluctance to even acknowledging its existence is mainly due to this ignorance/misunderstanding. Bisexuality is real but I think genuine bisexuals are rare. And most people who consider themselves or deny that they are bisexual (due partly to the bi/homophobia and partly to the ignorance) may actually be in the "flexible" category.

If we go by the definition of a sexual orientation as simply by "who you're sexually and romantically attracted to," it would make things clearer with no ambiguity. True bisexuals are physically and romantically attracted to both sexes/genders, maybe not equally all the time but they could date men and women. The fact that that's rare probably doesn't help against the biphobic claim that it's a myth. And when guys in straight porn may have done stripping prior to porn (as a lot of them started with), it's unlikely that they served only women and likely that they escorted for men also. So here's the rub: Are they really bi (biphobes would even call them closeted gay) if all they did with other men was get sucked off for money? If yes, that would make maybe 25% or more of men bi. No, they're heteroflexibles. In the same vein, I'm gay who enjoys playing with girls occasionally and I've had MFM threesomes with my straight buddy and other straight couples. I love eating girls' pussies and making them cum, but should I then call myself bi (or "self-hating fag" because I cannot possibly be straight according to biphobes)? [BTW, the latter is truly a rhetorical question as it's more likely that straight guys will be called "gay" for even the slightest metrosexual or feminine trait than for a gay guy to be called "straight" (hilarious just thinking about it lol) like that's even a disparaging term. But that's another but very related topic that deserves its own thread. Also related to why why women can wear pants but men can't wear dresses.]

"Flexibles" are not attracted to the same sex but can be attracted to a SEXUAL ACT with them for some specific reason. These are the ones who go to glory holes because men do give the best BJs and they're excited by the taboo and anonymity factors. They don't even care if it's a 70 y/o man with no teeth (may even be better because some say those are the best mouths lol) after taking off their dentures. Or money. But would they leave their GFs or wives for them? Hell no. Would I give up men for the prettiest girl? Hell no. This is how and why some MSM insist for good reason that they still identify as "straight" even when they love getting pegged by women or bottoming for other men or trans women. [Another related topic: Anal pleasure has nothing to do with sexual orientation.]

For this reason, I would classify these activities under "fetishes" and not under genuine sexual orientations. The old straight/bi/gay rubrics just aren't enough for all the complexities and the full spectrum of human sexuality.

There are even some people who are hard to put under any of those categories. There is a heteroflexible guy who comes to me at least once or twice a month (sometimes per week) only for BJs because it's probably his favorite sexual act of all and girls just don't do it well, if they even like doing it at all. But he can only fuck and date girls. He's not attracted to guys physically and romantically at all. But he enjoys watching gay porn while getting sucked off. (I joke that he watches more gay porn than I do, but it's true. We're actual opposites. I mostly watch straight porn, maybe 98%.) He clearly illustrates somebody who has a clear and specific fetish. But the terms "heteroflexible" and its opposite for me make us more understandable. And he's not bi, which he thinks he is, if he's not attracted to other guys, especially to the masculine and muscular types. Although his love for gay porn puts him in some unnamed niche between or above "heteroflexible" and "bisexual" because most if not all the other heteroflexible guys I've encountered only get turned on by straight, trans female with male and/or lesbian porn.

So it's not that "sexuality is more fluid these days" necessarily but that it's been that way forever bur we understand it more now and there are more ways to explore all sexual possibilities due to more open-mindedness and bridges created by technology. Hey, the Greeks were probably ahead of their time or, more likely, just practicing what we're doing now just as much as they did but, ironically, more openly.

Too late to edit now but I didn't imply that 25% or more of all men have been sucked off for money alone. =p Some do genuinely do love getting head from men without remuneration as I illustrated later in my essay.
 
Funny that this popped up in my LPSG-alerts today, since today I ran across a straight porn scenes, with a trans (trans—breasts and dick) performer

DeepLush MFT with Owen Grey and Kylie Le Beau kissing and rimming each other, M->T fucking

Brazzers MT all M->T sex between Xander Corvus and Daisy Taylor
Daisy Taylor, Xander Corvus Star in 1st Trans Scene for Brazzers

I remember hearing something about a fully post op trans performer, in a Brazzers scene, early last year.

I'm sure this means little for ending bi-phobia in American straight porn anytime soon.
 
Funny that this popped up in my LPSG-alerts today, since today I ran across a straight porn scenes, with a trans (trans—breasts and dick) performer

DeepLush MFT with Owen Grey and Kylie Le Beau kissing and rimming each other, M->T fucking

Brazzers MT all M->T sex between Xander Corvus and Daisy Taylor
Daisy Taylor, Xander Corvus Star in 1st Trans Scene for Brazzers

I remember hearing something about a fully post op trans performer, in a Brazzers scene, early last year.

I'm sure this means little for ending bi-phobia in American straight porn anytime soon.

BIG OOPS!
The trans performer in the Deep Lush threesome, with Owen Grey, is Casey Kisses, NOT Kylie Le Beau.
 
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