Brian Jordan Alvarez
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this trend of bisexuals speaking over gay men and projecting their heterosexual sex standards on us is deeply homophobic. yes, when you’re off fucking women, you need to err on the side of more explicit & enthusiastic consent because her biology means she can’t fight back and means procreation.
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You literally sound like a rapist.
Explicit consent is the only kind of consent. Consent is not now nor will it ever be implied. We can all agree that whether gay straight bisexual or otherwise, there are lots of ways in which the road to enthusiastic consent is paved, but there is never a time during which you can just say "Oh well gay cis men are different and so explicit enthusiastic consent isn't really always the hard line in the sand." Fuck that shit.
I don't even understand how this conversation is happening.
Let's say just in THEORY that if you had sex with someone in the past and it was consentual (nevermind the fact that the person was in a position of power over you professionally)...
Let's ay just in THEORY that such previous consent leaves the door open for ongoing consent in the future in your personal life...
Being on the set of an indepedant film or TV series and filming a sex scene for that film is not even REMOTELY CLOSE to being in a one on one sexual situation in private.
Among other things, EVERYBODY WHO IS PRESENT ON THAT SET needs to have been informed that an unsimulated sex act is going to occur, and they need to have CONSENTED TO BEING PRESENT FOR IT.
Everyone who was involved in making that show who was and/or is trying to suggest that it was a sort of low-budget sexually liberated set with loose rules and blah blah blah... that is an absolute load of bullshit. It's for this very reason that film and TV sets that are regulated by the actor's unions no longer allow unsimulated sex acts under any circumstances, even if the actors participating agree to it.
"We had sex before and our sexual dynamic was complicated, and we were making a low budget TV show where the atmosphere was sexually freeing, so I felt like it was okay to put your dick in my mouth under the sheets while filming our sex scene even though we didn't discuss it beforehand" is about the biggest load of rapist apology bullshit I've ever heard in my life.
I'm glad this was finally reported to the police. I'm glad it's blowing up BJA's face, and I hope he gets arrested and tried like he deserves.
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Tell me you don't understand how sexual assault and rape work without telling me.
Vast numbers of SA and rape victims report being physically frozen during the act, unable to respond or react in the fashion to many apologists like yourself suggest they should have been able to do.
Suggesting that gender has anything to do with the ability to react, defend yourself, stop an assault or otherwise prevent yourself from being assaulted is some of the most disgusting rape apologist shit you can spew.
Please go to www.rainn.org and spend an hour educating yourself, because you sound like an actual rapist.
textbook homophobia coming from a literal procreator speaking over gay men and demanding we adopt heterosexual standards of consent that exist due to the fundamental biological differences between men and women. news flash - there are no women involved in gay sex. two men, two biological equals, zero chance of procreation. news flash - humans lie. news flash - humans regret their choices and reframe events to absolve them of their own poor choices.
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You are a rapist, sweetheart. Live with that. DYING at being called a "procreator" because I identify as bisexual. You are going SO FAR out of your way to invalidate the queer identity of bisexual people, as if bisexual men can't or don't live the gay cis man experience.
Everything you are saying is hateful bigoted anti-woman rhetoric, and rapist apologeticism.
You're a rapist. You. Are a rapist. A rapist. You rape people, because you're a rapist. Go be a rapist, peanut. I truly hope one day you grab some cis gay dude's dick in the dark basement of a leather bar because you were convinced he consented by looking at you seductivley from across the room, and he literally breaks your teeth out of your face because you assaulted him.
Buhbye.
just another bossy bisexual thinking he can speak over gay men. what kind a lunatic calls someone a rapist without evidence of, you know, raping someone. the heterosexual supremacy here is disgusting.
I'm 70% sure you're trolling at this point.
having an internet discussion about a blowjob is now literally evidence of being a rapist!
and now the nonfuckers are speaking over gay men. this site is a cesspit of homophobia.
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guyenteringroomwithpizzaboxandeveryrhingisonfire.gif tbh.....
Like....wow. some of the takes in this thread are horrific and the reason why victims are afraid to report it.
Like....wow. some of the takes in this thread are horrific and the reason why victims are afraid to report it.
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No, Jan. Just rape. Just rape is rape. And sexual assault is sexual assault. And putting a guy's dick in your mouth in a room full of other people when he didn't give you permission to do it is sexual assault. It's not even SORT OF sexual assault. It's not even one of those "the lines were blurred" moments.
take it from a procreator when he tells you a man-on-man blowjob without paperwork is rape (even though California law says it can’t possibly be rape, must less the deranged rant that even a discussion of it is rape). The hatred of men who have sex with men by men who have sex with women is the kind of anti-gay hate that’s the basis of every violent assault of a gay man. it’s homophobic, hetero supremacy and it’s not ok.
Nah, I'm one of those funny asexuals who do fuck from time to time. You have a very reductive view of sexuality for someone who places so much importance in it. Don't worry about my identity, I love dick just as much as the next fag.
Back to the topic at hand, I see right through your fake woke shit. I despise you, but I respect the hustle.
WTF! I'm as gay as they come and what you've been writing the last few pages is the biggest bullshit I've been reading in a while.
you could have made a reasoned argument instead of insult, but you didn’t because you couldn’t.
men can’t be raped. rape is unwanted penile insertion into a vagina. ergo, unlike men who enjoy pussy, gay men can’t be rapists. rape isn’t anything else because the people of my state know the unique equities of rape that derive from biology.
for conscious gay men, the absence of a declination is consent sufficient to rule out all other sexual assault criminality.
So I don't follow this guy and I had no idea any of this was going on until reading through all of this. There are some HOT takes in this thread. To each their own. But just from reading through it all, it feels like some of the people that are defending him so passionately are in shock and it's just initial gut reactions to finding out someone they enjoyed has done some heinous things. It definitely sucks to find out someone you enjoyed the content of turns out to be a pretty shitty human. But it happens more often than not because people are people. How many celebs over the years were household names only for the public to find out they were always shitty people? (Looking at you Bill Cosby). Whether you want to accept it now or later is your own perogative. But regardless, just move on the the next celeb, find similar content. People were hurt in one way or another and that's not cool. Accept this guy just isn't the one. It will be okay, you will be okay. You aren't the victim here.
I can think of many more likely reason why a struggling actor would claim a famous actor sexually assaulted him many years ago than he was in fact sexually assaulted many years ago. Humans lie. Frequently. For big reasons. For no reason. For money. For attention. Humans lie. Add to that that this alleged victim admits he consented to oral sex with BJA earlier. Further add that this alleged victim is a man, with a size and height advantage over BJA, who is quite capable of defending himself against BJA. And finally, he didn't even open his mouth to say stop, in room full of others who'd certainly come to his defense. And those posting on this thread in support of this alleged victim are doing great damage to the victim by lying that he was raped, by saying a skeptical internet discussion about this incident makes one a rapist, and by a refusal to ever to engage in reasoned debate on the specific merits & broader equities around different standards of consent for homosexuals than breeders.
