Do you find these forums homophobic?

[parsonstreet]

I am finding these forums very homophobic.

There are two threads in particular where it is being claimed gay men are having sex with women and enjoying it.

That is literally the polar opposite of being a gay man ***which is literally NOT being able to enjoy sex with women.*** It makes me feel ill to some extent to read these posts. This is gay erasure. It is mocking and degrading gay men and lying about us. Humiliating us.

There are videos of men licking a woman's vagina for ages and they are claiming these men are gay. I would probably feel physically sick if I was doing that.

People are being allowed to claim extremely homophobic things like "gay men can enjoy sex with women". And also saying nonsense like it is transphobic to assert vagina penis sex is not gay sex. Because apparently gay men have to erase their identity to appease women who identify as gay men.

On other unrelated threads there is a whole range of other gay erasure garbage like someone claiming "I am a straight man with a bisexual past" Or claiming that there are straight men doing gay porn which is abject absolute bollocks. Straight men would not do that unless they were a desperate broke drug addict who needed money for crack.


I am interested in other gay men's opinion on this.

I also think gay men who endorse all this are very homophobic and yes gay man can be homophobic and they are not entitled to humiliate other gay men and sell our identity.

 

[Hotguysnudes5]

Bro I think you are far to convinced in your own believes that I’m not sure at what extent you would be able to participate in such trade or debate of opinions like the one you are asking for.
That being said I agree with what you said to some degree although I don’t share the same fussiness about it. I can see how it can be revolting but I do think you are exaggerating.
I do believe however that we do have to be very careful with our words to not endorse neither consciously or unconsciously the dissemination of homophobic post, ideas or trends that can be harmful to us directly or indirectly by manipulating the public with anything but facts.
Making the conclusion that something is very homophobic based on only a couple incidents is not something I believe in. I don’t know this space very well but I do think space has been made for important discussions and trade of information and opinions in a somewhat secure environment.
I consider myself a gay man I don’t believe I would be able to have anything sexual with a woman but as I’ve never tried it I can’t say for sure despite being very repulsed by the idea. I can’t be sure if I would be able to do it in order to satisfy a very specific kink or something else tho.
If I found myself confronted with such posts I would probably comment correcting such information and asking for them to be careful with the gay designation in a discussion about bisexual sexual activities as I’ve already seen many straight guys asking the same.
I won’t go further into the straight category as I think that’s something’s bi and straight guys are more competent to discuss.
Hope you enjoy my point of view on the subject.

 

[Boaxy]

1."LPSG" isn't a gay/LGBTQ forum. It's a male sex information centric forum, that happens to have "some" LGBTQ guys on here, and discussion of LGBTQ adult entertainment in addition to that. If this were a LGBTQ specific forum and bulletin and community, I would agree with you, but it isn't.

2.Most guys on "LPSG", (whether they don't know it yet, he comes from a religious family/culture/guys in South America and Persian/Arab guys especially etc., in denial, closeted, confused, questioning, or transitioning etc.) despite what you read here OP, (I know this is puzzling and confusing, I get you, and understand how you feel OP, really I do) identify as "Straight". I guess when and even if they decide to stop the bullshit/stop the cap/lying to themselves that they are "Bisexual men", things will be a lot less confusing. But alas lol. Nothing wrong with being a Bisexual guy, but I'm not the one as a Gay man to judge. I feel here on "LPSG" it's very rare to come across open, flaming, sissy queens like myself, lol, but yeah.

3.As a gay/LGBTQ person online, you kinda have to grow some thick skin. It's the internet, and assholes on here exist. These guys are assholes as well IRL, but they can hide it better, are too afraid to feel that way in the real world/in society. Online allows for anonymity/anonymous behaviours so yeah. They are just jerks and assholes, and you need to ignore them, don't let yourself down over them, and don't let them get to you.

4.It's a pornography forum, so I don't think a lot of people's moral compasses and ethics, and empathy are aplenty here lol.

5.Report, and hopefully staff will do something about it, but I doubt, as they always seem to punish/give strikes/delete posts from people in bad faith/over misunderstandings/doesn't deserve it (me lol), and kinda allow free speech here, given the circumstances, and content that's posted. But having said that, lol, report anyways, and yeah.

Hopefully my perspective on this helped you OP.

 

[parsonstreet]

The fact that this is porn forum doesn't mean it can't be homophobic.

There are lots of sexual fantasies like for example bestiality or necrophilia that would not be allowed to be displayed on here.

Most people could understand why.

But I don't think threads celebrating gay men having sex with women are any better at all.

It is degrading to a lot of gay men but apparently our feelings are worthless and also our past traumas that a lot of gay men experience in enforced heterosexuality societies are irrelevant.

And numerous posts misrepresenting gay men as well.

Meanwhile any post deemed transphobic is immediately removed such as claiming women can't be gay men. And other factual claims.

So this a forum is a hypocritical joke in that regard.

People are offended if you claim a man in a gay porn scene is not straight like he claims he is

so apparently you cannot offend straight men either.... So many posts claiming that this or that man showing his ass, using dildos, gay baiting, having cocks in his mouth ass and everywhere else and drinking cum is definitely 100% percent straight.

 

[dreambridger]

I am finding these forums very homophobic.

There are two threads in particular where it is being claimed gay men are having sex with women and enjoying it.

That is literally the polar opposite of being a gay man ***which is literally NOT being able to enjoy sex with women.*** It makes me feel ill to some extent to read these posts. This is gay erasure. It is mocking and degrading gay men and lying about us. Humiliating us.

There are videos of men licking a woman's vagina for ages and they are claiming these men are gay. I would probably feel physically sick if I was doing that.

People are being allowed to claim extremely homophobic things like "gay men can enjoy sex with women". And also saying nonsense like it is transphobic to assert vagina penis sex is not gay sex. Because apparently gay men have to erase their identity to appease women who identify as gay men.

On other unrelated threads there is a whole range of other gay erasure garbage like someone claiming "I am a straight man with a bisexual past" Or claiming that there are straight men doing gay porn which is abject absolute bollocks. Straight men would not do that unless they were a desperate broke drug addict who needed money for crack.


I am interested in other gay men's opinion on this.

I also think gay men who endorse all this are very homophobic and yes gay man can be homophobic and they are not entitled to humiliate other gay men and sell our identity.

my opinion is you have some serious hangups if you think a gay man eating a woman out on a blue moon is "homophobia" and "erasure".

maybe you should try eating a woman out to realize it won't kill you or sabotage your identity in anyway. Maybe your gynophobia is the issue, not this forum's supposed "homophobia".

if you can't do that, then I would say the simplest solution would be to mind your business, don't gatekeep, don't police other people's behavior to make sure it matches how they identify. It doesn't affect you at all.

 

[MisterB]

I am finding these forums very homophobic.

Here's the definition of homophobia from Miriam-Webster dictionary:

"homophobia​

noun​

ho·mo·pho·bia ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə

: discrimination against, aversion to, or fear of homosexuality or gay people"

That said, I'm struggling to understand how the rest of your opening post (OP) support your definitive statement that you find these forums very homophobic.

And let's be honest; forums can't be anything. But the people who post in them can be.

Like your post. To me, it smacks of you being homophobic. Toward your fellow gay men who you feel somehow aren't living their sexual lives in accordance to how you think they should.

I've been out since 1973. And over my 50+ years as a gay man who has experienced his share of homophobia, your post is sad.

Because the homophobia I experienced was predominately from four straight men who claimed to be such. I'm not stupid; they were closeted. Lashing out at me to somehow make them feel "covered". Oh look, I made fun of the gay guy so I can pretend I'm not attracted to men.

Because straight men who are truly secure in their sexuality don't give a rat's ass about someone else's sexuality. I know this first-hand because many of my friends are straight. Who don't care.

And that's the same outlook I have. I don't care how someone chooses to live. Not every gay guy is like you. Or me. Yet some people seem to need to pass their judgment on others and how they choose to live their lives. I'm not one of them.

That's because it's not my business. Or yours. Or anyone else's.

And I suspect that you are getting most of your outrage from porn. OF performers and the like. People who make their livings those ways. Let's be real. Adult content is created for the viewer.

Newsflash my friend. Porn is NOT real. Just like porn, OF performers are going to post what they believe will drive traffic to them. And what's the common denominator?

Money. Nothing more. Nothing less. Money.

 

[parsonstreet]

Maybe you should try eating a woman out to realize it won't kill you or sabotage your identity in anyway. Maybe your gynophobia is the issue, not this forum's supposed "homophobia".

I have no interest in "eating a woman out". It would not sabotage my identity it would make bisexual.

But since I always known I was attracted to males I have never had any desire or need to experiment with women.

The fact you don't respect that ****being a gay male means having absolute ZERO interest in women**** and can make a glib comment about me doing something that would be degrading to me suggests that you are not a respectful person and don't respect other peoples boundaries and dignity.

I am a gay man . I am *the* authority on what is homophobic. You do not get to decide for me. Should white people get to tell black what is and isn't racist? Of course not. That is what you're doing here.

But that is because the bar of society has below sea levels and people tolerate all manner of degrading crap with no concern for other people just interested in their own pleasures.

 

[dreambridger]

I have no interest in "eating a woman out". It would not sabotage my identity it would make bisexual.

But since I always known I was attracted to males I have never had any desire or need to experiment with women.

The fact you don't respect that ****being a gay male means having absolute ZERO interest in women**** and can make a glib comment about me doing something that would be degrading to me suggests that you are not a respectful person and don't respect other peoples boundaries and dignity.

I am a gay man . I am *the* authority on what is homophobic. You do not get to decide for me. Should white people get to tell black what is and isn't racist? Of course not. That is what you're doing here.

But that is because the bar of society has below sea levels and people tolerate all manner of degrading crap with no concern for other people just interested in their own pleasures.

oh there's a hierarchy of authority among gays? I wasn't aware. so since I'm not gold star I guess I have to defer to you in all manners regarding sexuality, great dictator. tell me more about this master gay race that I'm so clearly too defiled to be a part of, so I can at last humble myself as the inferior race to the great gold star supremacy.

 

[parsonstreet]

oh there's a hierarchy of authority among gays? I wasn't aware. so since I'm not gold star I guess I have to defer to you in all manners regarding sexuality, great dictator. tell me more about this master gay race that I'm so clearly too defiled to be a part of, so I can at last humble myself as the inferior race to the great gold star supremacy.

It is not a hierarchy.

You are the one telling me that something I find offensive is not a offensive.

You are telling gay men what is and isn't offensive and because YOU don't find it offensive personally nobody else should and we are all wrong.

I and others have explained why it is offensive. If I as a gay men enjoyed having rusty nails stuck in my eyeballs does that mean the rest of the gay community has to?

You class yourself as ten percent straight so you are literally bisexual.

 

[dreambridger]

You are telling gay men what is and isn't offensive

Actually, that's what you're doing, that's the core of your thread. Project all you want though, it's not fooling anyone.

 

[parsonstreet]

Actually, that's what you're doing, that's the core of your thread. Project all you want though, it's not fooling anyone.

I am not telling you that you should find it offensive. But the fact that you don't find it offensive is irrelevant. That is not how prejudice etc works.

You are saying the equivalent of this: ****I don't find slavery offensive! ***Oh well slavery is not offensive or wrong then.***

I have told you what is degrading about the content explicitly and you have just dismissed that on your personal preference.

You are literally dismissing the distress of other people and mocking it. You don't understand it because you are callous and have no empathy.

I resisted trying to be straight after growing up in an evangelical cult because I didn't want to have dysfunctional relationship with a female and force myself to have sex with a woman.

I attempted suicide when I realised that I would never be able to get married to a wife and have children. I hated being gay. Now I am being told my sexuality is fluid and I can experiment with women for fun at will. I would have at that time loved to have been able to magically turn straight and be in the majority and not feel alone.

Now I am glad I am not straight and value my same sex attraction

Which you and others are now degrading in a nasty way because either because of your fetish or bisexuality. Who gave you the permission to mock and degrade my sexuality? Your sexuality is your own business but you do not have my permission to misrepresent mine or fetishize it.

Sex between a transman and a man is literally and factually heterosexual sex and to claim otherwise is rank homophobia and gay erasure.

The gay community and LGTBQ+ has become a cesspit alienating a lot of people and you repeatedly dismiss peoples reasonable complaints which is possibly one of the reasons people voted Trump. You lie about reality and disrespect peoples boundaries.

 

[dreambridger]

in this thread so far, you have equated gays who are not gold star, simply existing and minding their own business, to slavery, bestiality and necrophilia, and honestly that's some of the most blatant homophobia I've ever encountered on this forum.

You say my sexuality is my own business, however if you truly felt that way, you wouldn't have even started this thread.

You accuse me of lacking empathy, yet there is not a single instance in any of your posts in which you refer to anyone's feelings other than your own.

You talk about how degrading it is that you're told that you can be fluid and that you're not really gay. And yet you turn around to tell gay men who may have a small margin of fluidity that they're not really gay, and the hypocrisy is apparently lost on you, apparently it's not degrading when you do that to others.

there actually are relevant issues of potential gay erasure in the present world worth discussing, unfortunately you're not approaching the issues with any willingness to engage or understand other perspectives, rather simply claim yourself as the be-all end-all authority on the issue. My responses to you would be very different if you were inviting an actual dialog rather than pushing an agenda.

 

[parsonstreet]

in this thread so far, you have equated gays who are not gold star, simply existing and minding their own business, to slavery, bestiality and necrophilia, and honestly that's some of the most blatant homophobia I've ever encountered on this forum.

No I haven't.

I have compared the celebration of self proclaimed gay men having straight sex as degrading and equally unacceptable the above.

These are not men experimenting in private before they have come to terms with their sexuality they are portraying and image of out gay men being will and able to have sex with women by choice. And as someone one else in the thread said in 2021 said as I just discovered promoting conversion.

If you are attracted to women sexually in anyway your are not gay. There is nothing gay about that why don't you call yourself bisexual. Because otherwise you are a liar.

If you are a man who can have sex with a woman, become a aroused by a woman's body parts, date woman then you are in no way gay and by claiming that you are deliberately sabotaging gay men and portraying us as something we are not. You might be mainly sexually interested in men but your are bisexual.

Being a gay man literally definitionally means being exclusively attracted to men. It is not a spectrum.

 

[parsonstreet]

You accuse me of lacking empathy, yet there is not a single instance in any of your posts in which you refer to anyone's feelings other than your own.

I have literally expressed the opinions of numerous gay men. What other peoples feelings were you expecting me to refer to?

Your desire to impose your bisexuality fetish on gay men?


Those thread I mentioned are indefensible as they portray gay men as having sex with women which is

a) Degrading b) Promoting lies about gay men.

Are you saying that:

1 Gay men should experiment with women

2 Gay men should have sex with women for money as part of a porn career

3 Gay men are capable of having sex with women they just choose not

4 Gay men are being closed minded by not experimenting with women

5 Gay men should be fictionally portrayed as fucking women because its hot

6 Bisexual men should be portrayed as gay men to give the illusion gay men like fucking women.

? Its all a pile of crap

 

[Hotguysnudes5]

I will not even read further you @parsonstreet have already demonstrated what I fear. Since the beginning I knew your own prejudice would stead against an open conversation and discussion as you claimed you wanted.
You are not open for a true discussion nor do you seem to want one as you are being very disrespectful to everyone.
If you have any hope to salvage this thread and really understand and read other gay men’s point of view on the matter I would recommend you to restrict yourself from commenting any further or at least from imposing your opinion (what you are doing CONSTANTLY) and let the thread develop by itself.
Again you are being very close minded, very rigorous with your believes and boundaries and YOU ARE DISRESPECTING EVERYONE WHO ISNT SHARING YOUR OPINION!!!
I’m 100 times more offended by your behavior than any thread you’ve mention, AS A GAY MAN.
I’ve seen and participated in some threads and let me tell you what I think the proper original poster’s response should be… (even if you disagree with what is being said) “thank you for your opinion”, “but what do you think about this particularity”, “I see, I might need to think about that or take it into account”. This is a respectful example of what you should be doing.
Not “I haven’t said that”, “you are not what you claim”, “I’m expressing the opinion of all or most”, “if you feel someway than your place should be with…” I leave with these figures of speech.
Sincerely I hope you really try to understand why I’m telling you this and that you choose to change your behavior from now on.

 

[gaetanleroy]

I have literally expressed the opinions of numerous gay men. What other peoples feelings were you expecting me to refer to?

Your desire to impose your bisexuality fetish on gay men?


Those thread I mentioned are indefensible as they portray gay men as having sex with women which is

a) Degrading b) Promoting lies about gay men.

Are you saying that:

1 Gay men should experiment with women

2 Gay men should have sex with women for money as part of a porn career

3 Gay men are capable of having sex with women they just choose not

4 Gay men are being closed minded by not experimenting with women

5 Gay men should be fictionally portrayed as fucking women because its hot

6 Bisexual men should be portrayed as gay men to give the illusion gay men like fucking women.

? Its all a pile of crap

The third point is quite real, plenty of

I have literally expressed the opinions of numerous gay men. What other peoples feelings were you expecting me to refer to?

Your desire to impose your bisexuality fetish on gay men?


Those thread I mentioned are indefensible as they portray gay men as having sex with women which is

a) Degrading b) Promoting lies about gay men.

Are you saying that:

1 Gay men should experiment with women

2 Gay men should have sex with women for money as part of a porn career

3 Gay men are capable of having sex with women they just choose not

4 Gay men are being closed minded by not experimenting with women

5 Gay men should be fictionally portrayed as fucking women because its hot

6 Bisexual men should be portrayed as gay men to give the illusion gay men like fucking women.

? Its all a pile of crap

The 3 point is quite real, plenty of gay men are capable of having sex with women.

Many gay closed men married women for numerous reason, had childs ect...

How they succeed on having natural érection despite not be attracted to female body is a mystery except if they are in denial of their homosexuality and think they just do "normal sex" as the society tell them

 

[dreambridger]

No I haven't.

I have compared the celebration of self proclaimed gay men having straight sex as degrading and equally unacceptable the above.

um yeah, exactly, that's exactly what I just pointed out. It's a sickening comparison that suggests to me that you are a hateful person that equates extreme sex crimes with something that isn't criminal whatsoever, it's only crime is that it's not confined to your extremely rigid and narrow perspective. It doesn't feel any different to me than homophobes who call all gay men child groomers. If it doesn't agree with you, then therefore it's criminal and evil.

Being a gay man literally definitionally means being exclusively attracted to men. It is not a spectrum.

Being a gay man means you prefer to have relations with men. Being deathly allergic to pussy is actually not a prerequisite. Being deathly allergic to pussy is called gynophobia, and its a hang up, and my entirely playful and jovial remark about suggesting that you eat some pussy wasn't about demanding you to become fluid as much as it is about trying to get you over your prejudices and to prove to you that the allergy is delusion. I tell extremely homophobic straight men to suck a dick as well, so that they can realize it's not deadly to them or their identity. Of course, I wouldn't force anybody to those things, no one should ever force anything sexual. It's simply a remark. If someone is actually *forcing* you to eat pussy (and you act as though many are, but I doubt anyone is) then yes that would be wrong.

I have literally expressed the opinions of numerous gay men. What other peoples feelings were you expecting me to refer to?

Where are these gay men whom you claim to speak on the behalf of? Again it's clear that I'm not regarding your authority. Forgive me for that, I have trouble trusting anyone who claims they can speak for an entire population of people. It's my perspective that you are only speaking for yourself, which would be fine, as long as you admitted to it.

there's others on this thread pointing out your prejudices and errors in judgment. I get it, I'm probably the funnest to argue with, but still for some reason I seem to be the only one that you're interacting with. why so?

Are you saying that:

1 Gay men should experiment with women

2 Gay men should have sex with women for money as part of a porn career

3 Gay men are capable of having sex with women they just choose not

4 Gay men are being closed minded by not experimenting with women

5 Gay men should be fictionally portrayed as fucking women because its hot

6 Bisexual men should be portrayed as gay men to give the illusion gay men like fucking women.

? Its all a pile of crap

no I'm not saying any of those things. I said what I actually mean without any subtext whatsoever.

here's the kicker, I actually agree with you that it is wrong to say that all gay men can be fluid if they want to be. But I also think it is just as wrong to demand a strict purity of everyone who identifies as gay. I'm not behind a pervasive fluidity narrative OR a purity narrative.

whether or not a gay man has sex with woman doesn't harm you whatsoever, and if you think it does, I can't help but wonder if it's because it provokes your gynophobia, which sounds like a psychological issue to me.

I call myself gay because I prefer men, and while I may have the smallest fraction of fluidity, I still don't want to lead on the women who hit on me. I get hit on by women a lot and the last thing I want is for them to think they have a chance, I don't need that kind of attention. I could identify as bi if I wanted to if I suppose, but I think it would confuse and disappoint a lot of people if I did. as far as navigating myself in the social world, calling myself gay is the most appropriate thing for me to do. I haven't had sex with a woman for well over a decade and I don't have any plans to. if you have a problem with that, that has nothing to do with me and everything to do with you. I live my life according to how it suits me.

 

[dreambridger]

How they succeed on having natural érection despite not be attracted to female body is a mystery except if they are in denial of their homosexuality and think they just do "normal sex" as the society tell them

I mean I get an erection on a bumpy bus ride, but I don't have a particular fetish for public transit. I don't really want to fuck a bus. It's extremely easy for men to get an erection regardless of whether or not they're experiencing attraction. That's just men's biology.

 

[gaetanleroy]

I mean I get an erection on a bumpy bus ride, but I don't have a particular fetish for public transit. I don't really want to fuck a bus. It's extremely easy for men to get an erection regardless of whether or not they're experiencing attraction. That's just men's biology.

Yes but in the case of really have sex, they can be turned off but they are not

 

[dreambridger]

Yes but in the case of really have sex, they can be turned off but they are not

I've experienced that you can be turned off and not be into it and still have an erection and perform sexually. from my experience, the penis becomes erect when it is stimulated, not necessarily when you're experiencing attraction.

I've experienced the inverse as well, being very turned on but unable to achieve an erection due to nervousness or too much athleticism in bed or whatever.