I, too, had my doubts about the veracity of this story. At first I wanted to believe it but, as qavako said so well, "I think the aspect that seems off to some people is the extreme caution and incrementalism and drip-drip development at this stage, even after jerking him and sucking his cock as well as before that tbh. I will admit it gives me pause." I have had my fair share of straight or straight/bicurious or closeted bi or closeted gay guys in my time, so I'm not dismissing it out of hand but to elaborate on qavak0's point, once you have the exposed hard cock unleashed staring you right in the face (!) and in your mouth and you both are obviously aroused, into it, and into each other with eager mutual consent and want to explore (!), and have that trust (!), I obviously get going at a pace each of you are comfortable with...but it just seems like there's no real big reason to proceed with the same 50/50 type way that you were proceeding with during your does he like me/does he not like me phase like in that nursery rhyme. I forget how it goes. It's late.

After I read your explanation of being insecure, I can understand more about your perspective and I wouldn't tell you or others it's false either. Also it's not my place nor should it matter what I think. What matters is that both of you are enjoying yourselves and comfortable with where you're taking it and at your pace of both of you.

I have been with a straight/bicurious guy who only wanted to suck cock and not kiss and then one day later another straight/bicurious guy wanted only to kiss and asked not to do any play with cocks so I said whatever you're comfortable with. People are so different and have their own needs and place where they're at. Many a guy have I hooked up with who immediately afterwards would say, "Just to let you know, I'm not gay." Then they return to do more and want to expand their horizons even more. So I get you.

I'm glad we all can talk about this respectfully and raise our perspectives without denying your story but just raising why it sounds so incredulous, for some of us, for the reasons stated already and amazing, for some of us.

I appreciate your sharing your perspective.

By the way, as someone fascinated by the subject of your friend being uncut, is he American-born and just did not undergo the procedure at birth like a lot of others? Or is he from a country that does not circumcise regularly? Are you both in your 20s, 30s? Curious.
I never responded to this, because I was discouraged by people doubting what happened and just lost interest in posting updates here. The explanation is SO simple. As I mentioned early on, he is in a committed relationship. His gf knows he is bi, but it's not an open relationship, hence his hesitancy.
 
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Sorry, but I have to take issue with this. I can't speak for other people who were more doubtful, but you said you appreciated my post at the time and didn't care that other people thought it was fiction (which is not what I said in my post). I don't think anything that user you just quoted from months ago said was outrageous or unfair either.
 
Sorry, but I have to take issue with this. I can't speak for other people who were more doubtful, but you said you appreciated my post at the time and didn't care that other people thought it was fiction (which is not what I said in my post). I don't think anything that user you just quoted from months ago said was outrageous or unfair either.
I'm so confused. :joy: What I said at the time (5-6 months ago) was genuine, but I'm human with emotions and things evolve. It's been months and I eventually got sick of having to prove my life is true for a bunch of strangers on the internet (especially with balancing my life otherwise), because the point of this thread isn't to defend myself or even engage anyone. It was mostly just to find community in what I've been going through.

I agree, nothing they said was outrageous or unfair. But people coming at me like you have make me want to not post updates. I have literally no reason to lie about what I've experienced with him, which is why I'll probably go back to not posting.
 
I agree, nothing they said was outrageous or unfair. But people coming at me like you have make me want to not post updates. I have literally no reason to lie about what I've experienced with him, which is why I'll probably go back to not posting.
I didn't come at you, then or now, nor do I think the above user you quoted did and I think my posts are very even-handed about the whole discussion vs. other people who simply called you a liar. But do what makes you happy and content.
 
I'm so confused. :joy: What I said at the time (5-6 months ago) was genuine, but I'm human with emotions and things evolve. It's been months and I eventually got sick of having to prove my life is true for a bunch of strangers on the internet (especially with balancing my life otherwise), because the point of this thread isn't to defend myself or even engage anyone. It was mostly just to find community in what I've been going through.

I agree, nothing they said was outrageous or unfair. But people coming at me like you have make me want to not post updates. I have literally no reason to lie about what I've experienced with him, which is why I'll probably go back to not posting.
For real, I don't understand why people doubt about your posts and come here to criticize...

I hope you reconsider your decision and keep us updated, at least for those (I think they are many) who want to know more about your feelings and emotions. I was really interested in knowing more about how is everything going on with you and your friend. :heart:
 
Hi everyone! It's crossed my mind to start a thread for the longest while... Yes, this is a 100% real story, and someone I'm currently navigating, which is why I finally decided to make a thread and ask for input, helpful advice, or other similar stories.

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For the last 5 years, I've been best friends with someone I'll call Anderson – mostly because he reminds me of a young Anderson Cooper: handsome, well-spoken but funny, stoic at times, looks amazing without a shirt, an explorer type. We're both young millennials, and have known each other since our teen years but grew closer 5 years ago.

Up until the start of the pandemic, I figured that Anderson was straight. As with most of my "straight" friends, I entertain the possibility that they might not be straight. But, a few years ago, I remember being stoned on his couch with him; I shared my experience being bi and I remember talking vaguely about what it's like, but I never got the impression that he was bi. That was one of a few times where I opened the door wide for him to share his sexuality or curiosity, though I never explicitly put him on the spot and asked.

We had a lot of these conversation while at his family's big house, alone for the weekend. Honestly, I remember being really horny at this time and hoping any mention of sex or sexuality or horniness would escalate into us hooking up. He's a really touchy feely guy and, the way he looks at me (especially when we know we won't see each other for a while) is filled with sexual tension, when we hug (which we do a lot) and look into each other's eyes. The sexual tension has been there but, again, I assumed he was straight.

I settled into being (just) best friends and not hooking up... Then the pandemic happened (while he was thousands of miles away from me) and he told me he might be bi or even gay.

This set off a string of calls with him where we talked at length about sexuality and where he opened up. Anderson not only shared how he was feeling with his sexuality with me (which he's still not "out" about) but also his horniness... at length. It makes me hard to think about it – his stories about hooking up with certain women, his jerk off habits in quarantine, how he just wanted to fuck, what we wanted to do or wanted done to us by other people, open relationships, threesomes, etc. A few times, I got so hard during the conversation that I'd start playing with my dick, and I think he would too – the moments it might get a little quiet on the line while we were talking about these horny topics and laying around. At one point, every time we'd talk, it was about how much he wanted to cum (or, by that point, "explode"), not fucking in quarantine or for a while before. All of these conversations, of which there were hours and hours, brought us even closer together, but we were thousands of miles apart and each quarantined.

Well, when we were finally able to be in person again, we were indeed closer. This is the part I'm going to sum up because there's a lot that has happened over the last year and a half after those calls:
  • Anderson started dating someone (a woman) he used to date, and they're still dating now with their own bumps in the road and struggles finding a good flow sexually. Everything below has happened since they started dating.
  • We've gone on at least a dozen trips together, mostly to houses or cabins with hot tubs. While he already had the habit of walking around, at times, without a ton of clothes (which we'd talked about before) he actually started our habit of skinning dipping in the hot tub. He's always been pretty comfortable with nudity, so it's not a huge surprise and I've read this as an overtly sexual thing. Don't get me wrong: I've been hard many times seeing him naked, including in hot tubs, but he doesn't seem horny.
  • When we started talking those trips, we also started giving each other massages. This was something I offered at first and did with Anderson clothed at first (and he returned the favor). That same trip, we eventually did it again while he was in his boxers. After that first trip, we've actually done these full body massages (which happen at least once every trip) completely naked. So we're comfortable being naked in front of each other (to the extent that I don't have a boner) and rubbing each other down from head to toe. But again, neither of us has crossed a line into anything blatantly sexual. We also cuddle and nap together from time to time.
  • We still have these deep conversations about sex, sexuality, horniness, how close we are, etc. One of the recent trips we had, we were casually talking about how I love sucking dick and Anderson was talking about how he likes to be jerked off more than he likes being blown. I thought that was notable – I've probably never heard that before. Shortly after, he revealed that he used to have a friend growing up who he used to jerk off with, stroking each other's dicks; he shared this as he opened up more about his sexuality and emotions he was/is dealing with. In retrospect, I wonder if this was his was of saying that he'd be open to me jerking him off, or us jerking off together.
As the title suggests, I want to finally hookup with Anderson and I'm taking another trip with him in the next couple of months. It'll be just the two of us and, hopefully, there will be a hot tub.

I'm not afraid it will end our friendship if I ask or I try; I'm just not sure how to ask or try, because I get so nervous but also haven't been in these situations, so I'm not sure what I should say or do. I know we're close enough to where having a conversation about fucking with each other, while new ground, wouldn't hurt our friendship; maybe it could bring us closer together. Again, I'm not sure how to have that conversation, how to build up to it, or when. I mentioned that he is dating someone and I wonder if that's part of his hesitation in addition to his sexuality; conversely, I'm dating someone (a man) and in an open relationship where I explicitly have permission to hook up with Anderson and others, if it goes there.

I'd love to hear from others here with any 1) good advice or reactions you have and 2) any similar stories you have about wanting to hook up with or actually hooking up with your best friend.
With all that's gone on, I don't see an issue with asking him if he wants to fuck, as far as damaging your friendship with him, BUT I'd be concerned about helping him cheat on the girl he's dating. If they're not open, do you want to be the one who helps him break their commitment? I obviously don't know either of them, but don't underestimate how messy that can get.

Also, there's something about being fair to yourself. If you become his side piece, you'll have the fun of getting with a guy you like a lot, but you'll never have the level of companionship and connection you could have with someone else.

With all of that said, my husband and I aren't open but have the occasional 3-way with a friend, and that has always made life better for the friends and us. Nothing horrible has happened. It's just been great sex. So yeah, it can work. One was even a friend for about 7 years before we did anything. Honestly, he's so hot we thought we were too old and beyond our prime to be of interest, so we all were just really close, loving friends... and then one day, he asked. There can be intense desire that doesn't get fulfilled unless someone finally gets the nerve to say, "Hey, I want you. Would you want to... ?"

All of that to say, it sounds like you both want each other. So next time you're in the same place, tell him you don't want to undermine what he has with his gf, but you'd love it if he wants to have sex. It sounds like the worst thing that happens is that he has to awkwardly say, "no, thanks."

Well, actually, there is one other thing. You could wind up fucking your brains out and then afterwards he gets to feeling guilty and it all gets to be a problem. His dick may be doing more thinking than his brain. So yeah, I guess it could go bad eventually. Guys do that. It's great, but then they feel guilty and cut you off. Or tell the girlfriend to try to make amends and suddenly she's in the mix in a very bad way. All things to consider.
 
Come back, buddy! How has your life been like lately?
I never responded to this, because I was discouraged by people doubting what happened and just lost interest in posting updates here. The explanation is SO simple. As I mentioned early on, he is in a committed relationship. His gf knows he is bi, but it's not an open relationship, hence his hesitancy.
 
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Come back, buddy! How has your life been like lately?
Life is good!

My friend and I are still just as close if not more close, but after that moment a couple of years ago when I hooked up with him, we didn't hook up again for a while. As mentioned, he's in a relationship with a woman and it's very turbulent. As turned on as I am by him, and even though we hooked up, I also have respected that he really loves the girl he's with... I have always wanted to hook up with him but didn't ever truly want to be a home wrecker! As his relationship went on longer and longer, I've kept being timid or cautious, for the most part.

So, most times we have hung out since 2 years ago when I posted (about a week or so every couple of months, on average), we'll still have naked hot tub time wherever we stay. We'll still have plenty of sex talk. We're still be in touch daily – and send long voice messages back and forth – but I don't have as much of a desire for a relationship with him as I admittedly did before. I love our friendship so much... and he also makes me so horny. He continues to play into that and we talk about it, but the actually hooking up has been relatively infrequent – only happening when the horniness has reached a fever pitch instead of every time.

If I get horny thinking of some of the hot moments from the last couple of years, maybe I'll come here and post, but I did want to share an experience from about a month ago, from the last time I saw him.

Most recently, we were at an airbnb and in a hot tub very drunk and stoned after going to a bar that night. I honestly don't know how the topic went there (I never do – it just happens organically) but we started talking about his girlfriend and their relationship. He was talking about how the sex wasn't what we wanted – not often enough, not "rough" in the ways he wanted it to be. I paused for a moment and then asked question after question, along with sharing my own experiences. He was telling me that his girlfriend likes getting fucked hard, because she's pretty desensitized, but he wishes she was more rough in a kinky way – dirty talk, choking, etc. By this point, we were both sitting on the outside of the hot tub, across from each other, and I grabbed my dick. It was dark out, but I could see he grabbed his (just in the limited light, coming from the one porch deck light). This conversation went on longer than most of our conversations like this. And I was so hard, right across from him, but he wasn't looking at my dick.

Meanwhile, I'm there racking my brain thinking, "This is my chance." Finally I just told him how hard I was. I don't even think I giggled or anything, just sighed. He was quiet, and the tub jets were off so it was silent, just nighttime noises. And I said something about it being the conversation, and also some of the guys I'd seen out the bar we came from earlier. His seating position changed and he opened his legs a little more, kind of copying my position and touching his dick. All I remember him saying was something like "that's really relatable". I grabbed the joint by my side and re-lit it, taking a hit before getting in the water and floating over to pass it to him. So I was then at crotch level. And he was eerily silent. I just looked over my shoulders off our deck (because it was overlooking the bar's parking lot – which by now was empty, all of the patrons had left, and there was no one in sight) and slid over so I'm sitting with a view of his crotch. I didn't even look up at his face, and pushed his leg aside while going tongue-first to his dick and balls. I sat there for god knows how long licking his balls, and tonguing his foreskin a little here and there. He just laid back (leaning on his hands I guess). At some point, he reached his hand over to my head and just started rubbing/massaging my scalp/hair gently, as I was leisurely and drunkenly licking him. I felt like I was making love to his cock and balls (for the first time in a few months), but I was also overheating being in the tub, cross faded, and tired. My jaw was getting sore on top of all of that, and I backed off and told him I'm getting out. I think I was dehydrating a bit, so I got out to get water and get my shit together.

He came inside shortly after and I think we both realized that it was like 2 or 3am, and we had to be up by 7:30/8. The exhaustion of the day was definitely hitting me. When I spotted him, he was still pretty hard and we had one of our long, minutes-long hugs. Heads nuzzled in each other's necks. Eventually, I started kissing up his neck, and then his cheek and back to the hug. He kind of did the same thing – which is newer for him. I got hard again, as I do in our hugs. We said I love you to each other, and then we both went to bed and passed out almost immediately.

So yes, it's still just me casually giving him oral here and there. Not every time we see each other and definitely not repeatedly on our trips. I guess maybe that feels better for us, given relationships and our friendship. Also, some version of this usually happens our last night together. Sometimes I'll suck him to completion and other times I don't. Either way, it's still hot and weirdly still feels like we're just close friends. It feels insane writing this but something about the fact that we're long distance friends, that we have an actual close friendship (almost like brothers, other than the hot stuff haha), and that we're not fucking repeatedly when we see each other (and maybe the fact that it's only been oral and hands) makes it feel very relaxed and like a bonding exercise – just two very horny boys getting off. I'm still sort of amazed anytime the hooking up happens, and super thankful for it when we go there.
 
Life is good!

My friend and I are still just as close if not more close, but after that moment a couple of years ago when I hooked up with him, we didn't hook up again for a while. As mentioned, he's in a relationship with a woman and it's very turbulent. As turned on as I am by him, and even though we hooked up, I also have respected that he really loves the girl he's with... I have always wanted to hook up with him but didn't ever truly want to be a home wrecker! As his relationship went on longer and longer, I've kept being timid or cautious, for the most part.

So, most times we have hung out since 2 years ago when I posted (about a week or so every couple of months, on average), we'll still have naked hot tub time wherever we stay. We'll still have plenty of sex talk. We're still be in touch daily – and send long voice messages back and forth – but I don't have as much of a desire for a relationship with him as I admittedly did before. I love our friendship so much... and he also makes me so horny. He continues to play into that and we talk about it, but the actually hooking up has been relatively infrequent – only happening when the horniness has reached a fever pitch instead of every time.

If I get horny thinking of some of the hot moments from the last couple of years, maybe I'll come here and post, but I did want to share an experience from about a month ago, from the last time I saw him.

Most recently, we were at an airbnb and in a hot tub very drunk and stoned after going to a bar that night. I honestly don't know how the topic went there (I never do – it just happens organically) but we started talking about his girlfriend and their relationship. He was talking about how the sex wasn't what we wanted – not often enough, not "rough" in the ways he wanted it to be. I paused for a moment and then asked question after question, along with sharing my own experiences. He was telling me that his girlfriend likes getting fucked hard, because she's pretty desensitized, but he wishes she was more rough in a kinky way – dirty talk, choking, etc. By this point, we were both sitting on the outside of the hot tub, across from each other, and I grabbed my dick. It was dark out, but I could see he grabbed his (just in the limited light, coming from the one porch deck light). This conversation went on longer than most of our conversations like this. And I was so hard, right across from him, but he wasn't looking at my dick.

Meanwhile, I'm there racking my brain thinking, "This is my chance." Finally I just told him how hard I was. I don't even think I giggled or anything, just sighed. He was quiet, and the tub jets were off so it was silent, just nighttime noises. And I said something about it being the conversation, and also some of the guys I'd seen out the bar we came from earlier. His seating position changed and he opened his legs a little more, kind of copying my position and touching his dick. All I remember him saying was something like "that's really relatable". I grabbed the joint by my side and re-lit it, taking a hit before getting in the water and floating over to pass it to him. So I was then at crotch level. And he was eerily silent. I just looked over my shoulders off our deck (because it was overlooking the bar's parking lot – which by now was empty, all of the patrons had left, and there was no one in sight) and slid over so I'm sitting with a view of his crotch. I didn't even look up at his face, and pushed his leg aside while going tongue-first to his dick and balls. I sat there for god knows how long licking his balls, and tonguing his foreskin a little here and there. He just laid back (leaning on his hands I guess). At some point, he reached his hand over to my head and just started rubbing/massaging my scalp/hair gently, as I was leisurely and drunkenly licking him. I felt like I was making love to his cock and balls (for the first time in a few months), but I was also overheating being in the tub, cross faded, and tired. My jaw was getting sore on top of all of that, and I backed off and told him I'm getting out. I think I was dehydrating a bit, so I got out to get water and get my shit together.

He came inside shortly after and I think we both realized that it was like 2 or 3am, and we had to be up by 7:30/8. The exhaustion of the day was definitely hitting me. When I spotted him, he was still pretty hard and we had one of our long, minutes-long hugs. Heads nuzzled in each other's necks. Eventually, I started kissing up his neck, and then his cheek and back to the hug. He kind of did the same thing – which is newer for him. I got hard again, as I do in our hugs. We said I love you to each other, and then we both went to bed and passed out almost immediately.

So yes, it's still just me casually giving him oral here and there. Not every time we see each other and definitely not repeatedly on our trips. I guess maybe that feels better for us, given relationships and our friendship. Also, some version of this usually happens our last night together. Sometimes I'll suck him to completion and other times I don't. Either way, it's still hot and weirdly still feels like we're just close friends. It feels insane writing this but something about the fact that we're long distance friends, that we have an actual close friendship (almost like brothers, other than the hot stuff haha), and that we're not fucking repeatedly when we see each other (and maybe the fact that it's only been oral and hands) makes it feel very relaxed and like a bonding exercise – just two very horny boys getting off. I'm still sort of amazed anytime the hooking up happens, and super thankful for it when we go there.
Great to hear more from you. And it sounds great, the way you're just letting things happen as they happen. You may find it continues to grow, strengthen and evolve. He may find extra comfort in the friendship remaining strong. He may even want more down the road, but for now, it sounds like you're handling it just right. Keep being a good friend and seeing where things go.
 
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Let's hope his GF is getting it from some guy friend just as hard, when he is away. If it's good for him, it's good enough for her. She probably senses something anyway, just maybe not with you.

Why doesn't he open the relationship up?