I seduced my friend's straight co-worker

[alexsopim]

Nobody turns into anything, people are not caterpillars. That's the incorrect phrasing.

A better way of putting it is, can one make a man who predominantly has only slept with women have a change of mind and sleep willingly with another man? The answer is yes. Resoundingly.

Not all "straight" men can be seduced, and obviously not all "gay" men can seduce. Every door has a key.

It might be difficult to imagine if your personal experience has taught you otherwise, but yours is not necessarily the only way.

I've seduced hundreds of "straight" men as a femme man in my 20s. I can still convince some straight men to swing my way in my 30s but it is increasingly difficult with age to do so with charm and body alone.

Just enjoy the story if you like and move on.

@LiamCox thanks for sharing. Cheers.

When you say "as a femme man" do you mean that you seduced them thanks to the fact you were feminine ?

 

[Urien]

When you say "as a femme man" do you mean that you seduced them thanks to the fact you were feminine ?

A feminine man is far more palatable to heteroflexible men, therefore more likely to arouse certain feelings and ideas in them. But here I am not strictly referring to feminine clothing or makeup, I am referring to physical features and stature as well.

Being slender, smooth, fair, longer hair, pretty, shorter than them, it all lends itself to a path of least resistance.

There is no one thing that makes a seduction. You could have all of the above, and still be ugly/unattractive to a heterosexual man.

I enjoyed my androgynous years thoroughly, and it was certainly magnetic to heteroflexible men. Equally though, it attracted a lot of homophobic men as well. A double edged sword if you don't know how to handle it.

 

[alexsopim]

A feminine man is far more palatable to heteroflexible men, therefore more likely to arouse certain feelings and ideas in them. But here I am not strictly referring to feminine clothing or makeup, I am referring to physical features and stature as well.

Being slender, smooth, fair, longer hair, pretty, shorter than them, it all lends itself to a path of least resistance.

There is no one thing that makes a seduction. You could have all of the above, and still be ugly/unattractive to a heterosexual man.

I enjoyed my androgynous years thoroughly, and it was certainly magnetic to heteroflexible men. Equally though, it attracted a lot of homophobic men as well. A double edged sword if you don't know how to handle it.

I mean, if you had still been fine, attractive, smooth, shorter etc., but not particularly feminine—let's say more boyish—do you think you would have had the same chances?

 

[Urien]

I mean, if you had still been fine, attractive, smooth, shorter etc., but not particularly feminine—let's say more boyish—do you think you would have had the same chances?

Idk tbh. I think it's important here to define what I mean when I say feminine. The qualities you mention for example can be feminine but they can also objectively just be youthful. Being smooth for example is not a purely feminine quality but is more often associated with females who use it to appear more youthful (women are hairy).

For example, I am 5'9. When I go to Berlin where the average man is much taller than me, I can be seen are relatively more feminine (or less masculine? More twinky?) than say if I go to Thailand where I am taller than the average male. Your skeleton plays a big part in this. That's why I specified being "shorter/smaller" than the man you want. This logic extends to the rest of the traits too.

I think if I were more of a "twink" I'd would've even better chances with some straight men. Because as I said, being feminine is a double edged sword. A lot of straight men don't want to risk being in certain settings with feminine men, but if you are a twink that can more believably pass as straight you can enter more places in their world.

I will add to this by saying that much later in the game, I learned that men are much more likely to go for someone who looks like a boy than someone who looks feminine. Generally, men value youth more than beauty especially for sex. I knew it applied to women but it is just as cruel to men. It doesn't matter how beautiful you are, a younger piece of meat is more viable even if it is objectively "uglier".

The ultimate recipe would probably be a feminine boy. Someone that can believably pull off look like a16-20 femme boy is almost irresistible to the largest segment of the heteroflexible market. I've seen straight men risk their marriages for this type.

But as I said there is no one thing. It's how you wield all these elements together. When I meet younger queens, I always enjoy watching them practice this kind of magic.

I always try to tell them to stay clear of identity politics and just use your youth/charm/beauty to enjoy your life without swearing loyalty to any one label. That's true androgyny. Men love that kind of truth.

 

[alexsopim]

Idk tbh. I think it's important here to define what I mean when I say feminine. The qualities you mention for example can be feminine but they can also objectively just be youthful. Being smooth for example is not a purely feminine quality but is more often associated with females who use it to appear more youthful (women are hairy).

For example, I am 5'9. When I go to Berlin where the average man is much taller than me, I can be seen are relatively more feminine (or less masculine? More twinky?) than say if I go to Thailand where I am taller than the average male. Your skeleton plays a big part in this. That's why I specified being "shorter/smaller" than the man you want. This logic extends to the rest of the traits too.

I think if I were more of a "twink" I'd would've even better chances with some straight men. Because as I said, being feminine is a double edged sword. A lot of straight men don't want to risk being in certain settings with feminine men, but if you are a twink that can more believably pass as straight you can enter more places in their world.

I will add to this by saying that much later in the game, I learned that men are much more likely to go for someone who looks like a boy than someone who looks feminine. Generally, men value youth more than beauty especially for sex. I knew it applied to women but it is just as cruel to men. It doesn't matter how beautiful you are, a younger piece of meat is more viable even if it is objectively "uglier".

The ultimate recipe would probably be a feminine boy. Someone that can believably pull off look like a16-20 femme boy is almost irresistible to the largest segment of the heteroflexible market. I've seen straight men risk their marriages for this type.

But as I said there is no one thing. It's how you wield all these elements together. When I meet younger queens, I always enjoy watching them practice this kind of magic.

I always try to tell them to stay clear of identity politics and just use your youth/charm/beauty to enjoy your life without swearing loyalty to any one label. That's true androgyny. Men love that kind of truth.

Just to get your idea of androgynous feminine. For example, a very young Leonardo DiCaprio, who still seems pretty boyish to me, could be a good example?

 

[Urien]

Just to get your idea of androgynous feminine. For example, a very young Leonardo DiCaprio, who still seems pretty boyish to me, could be a good example?

Nah he's a twink. He's in the same category as a young Bieber. Different energy/vibe/aura.

Androgynous feminine is the actor Jaye Davidson in his prime. He only made 2 movies, one of them he was the Egyptian God Ra, and the other he was a transvestite (for which he was nominated for an Academy Award).

 

[alexsopim]

Nah he's a twink. He's in the same category as a young Bieber. Different energy/vibe/aura.

Androgynous feminine is the actor Jaye Davidson in his prime. He only made 2 movies, one of them he was the Egyptian God Ra, and the other he was a transvestite (for which he was nominated for an Academy Award).

I guess I need to rethink what "twink" really means, because I always thought it was a young-looking guy, like a teenager, who's also kind of feminine.

 

[Urien]

I guess I need to rethink what "twink" really means, because I always thought it was a young-looking guy, like a teenager, who's also kind of feminine.

Nah a twink doesn't have to be feminine. They can be masculine (Timothy Chalamet?). There is an overlap between what is today called femmeboys and twinks, usually in physical structure, but they are distinct often in the presentation or expression. It's a different energy, people can sense it in their presence.

I will say that my time in my 20s was quite different than today, young "straight" men are not what they used to be. They are probably even more likely to have sex with men than before and possibly even more openly. The game is different, but the rules will always be the same. Biology does not lie.

 

[alexsopim]

Nah a twink doesn't have to be feminine. They can be masculine (Timothy Chalamet?). There is an overlap between what is today called femmeboys and twinks, usually in physical structure, but they are distinct often in the presentation or expression. It's a different energy, people can sense it in their presence.

I will say that my time in my 20s was quite different than today, young "straight" men are not what they used to be. They are probably even more likely to have sex with men than before and possibly even more openly. The game is different, but the rules will always be the same. Biology does not lie.

I think it's porn who confused me . Like Helix Studios