Luigi Mangione

There is ZERO question this was an inside job. Either Thompson had himself killed for insurance purposes or Luigi was working with a UHC insider.

Supporting Facts:1) Who was Luigi talking to on a burner phone at 630am? You don’t just call your buddy to say hi at 630 10 minutes before shooting someone

2) How would Luigi know to get to the hotel at 630? He obviously knew what Thompson’s schedule was. Otherwise as he planned so much, why not be there earlier? In addition, how did Luigi know Thompson was staying at the Hilton across the street instead of the same hotel as the conference?

3) What are the odds that Thompson would be walking by himself at dawn, especially after receiving earlier death threats? Even a CEO with a crappy little company has security, much less the UHC CEO. The chances he normally would be alone are non existent

4) For someone that was a valedictorian, how could he possibly be so stupid-after the crime. That was bizarre and seems way too obviousThere is definitely more to the story! What I don’t get though, is how or why Luigi got involved

5) What about Thompson supposedly suppose to testify against members of congress? Things seem too simple as they have been presented to the public.
To go on your fourth point, just because you become a valedictorian doesn’t always mean you’re gonna think smart.
 
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There is ZERO question this was an inside job. Either Thompson had himself killed for insurance purposes or Luigi was working with a UHC insider.

Supporting Facts:1) Who was Luigi talking to on a burner phone at 630am? You don’t just call your buddy to say hi at 630 10 minutes before shooting someone

2) How would Luigi know to get to the hotel at 630? He obviously knew what Thompson’s schedule was. Otherwise as he planned so much, why not be there earlier? In addition, how did Luigi know Thompson was staying at the Hilton across the street instead of the same hotel as the conference?

3) What are the odds that Thompson would be walking by himself at dawn, especially after receiving earlier death threats? Even a CEO with a crappy little company has security, much less the UHC CEO. The chances he normally would be alone are non existent

4) For someone that was a valedictorian, how could he possibly be so stupid-after the crime. That was bizarre and seems way too obviousThere is definitely more to the story! What I don’t get though, is how or why Luigi got involved

5) What about Thompson supposedly suppose to testify against members of congress? Things seem too simple as they have been presented to the public.
I really like the way you think

Also to add to the no.2, they continued the meeting after hearing of his MURDER
 
Even witnesses say that he wasn’t bothering anyone but go ahead and tell on yourself and how much you hate homeless people.
Are you suggesting that Penny and the other passengers just randomly selected that gentleman and proceeded to kill him? Don't think so.
 
Ah this video, Brian Thompson/he looked very good there, I certainly won't mind having some me time with him. I can't believe barely anyone seems to notice how handsome he was...Seems like he didn't wear his ring anymore, makes sense I guess since he was separated.
Is "me time" code for sex? o_O If you thought that video was good, you should find this one so much better: :innocent:

 
So, based on the self-selected group who, not knowing that he had killed someone, chose to approach Perry and thank him, you are going to assume that was the majority response to his actions?

He is not trained in the use of deadly force in law enforcement situations and not authorized to use deadly force. His actions killed someone who should be alive.
That's funny. Most of the haters are saying Penny knew exactly what he was doing. You are right about that, though, he was just doing the best he could under the circumstances.

And your idea that random subway riders would approach a guy who had assaulted a harmless passenger and THANK him is ridiculous. And, if the other people in the car didn't realize the guy was dead, what makes you assume Penny and the other passengers who stood up to defend against the menacing guy did either?
 
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You know you want it
 
The theme of super humans has been explored more than a few times in science fiction. Things never seem to work out well with unforeseen consequences. 100% of humans will never submit to such a scheme and what will they suffer if they don't? It's quite likely the "super humans" or whatever we want to call them will somehow discriminate and punish those that are not "super".

We kind of already live in that world. People with more talent and skill, in part based on what they are born with, tend to cluster together. Attractive people tend to mingle with each other. And the reverse is true. The whole water seeks it's own level phenomenon.

The discrimination happens all the time up and down society right now. It's just that the distribution is that discrimination is based on natures lottery in areas like attractiveness and aptitude.

If we had the equivalent of a more moderate effectiveness "limitless pill" why not gift it to all mankind? No one need be "forced" to take it, but if people wanted the boost they could get it vs now where the lottery of nature dictates terms?

Why do you prefer lotteries for discrimination vs an escape from it?

Do you think we can/will change our natures such that we will stop discriminating in certain ways? That is more fantastical. No Neck Ed is not going to be seen as just as attractive and desirable as Luigi to gay men. Someone who tries hard to learn math but fails at it due to not having the aptitude is never going to be more desired at a job that requires math than someone who has more aptitude for it.

Discrimination is etched into the fabric of society, we are not some floating souls in a post scarcity world where we can afford to ignore differences in every sphere. We should where we can and it makes sense, like things like healthcare and raising floors of outcomes independent of peoples ability to produce. But what you are advocating for is chaining the people who roll snake eyes in the stats of life to the ground.
 
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It’s the same person

yeah I'm like come on bro, dude has an identical facial outline, it's clearly him. You can still want to fuck him if he did it people, I've already openly admitted my personal degeneracy.

They just need to swat away the death penalty charges and punish him with community service doing onlyfans.
 
LM previously detailed health issues including back pain, brain fog and sciatica. But when you look at the released videos of him, he was walking just fine. At the hearing he was sitting down, no signs of pain or discomfort. That's odd, considering the alleged health issues that motivated the CEO's assassination.
 
LM previously detailed health issues including back pain, brain fog and sciatica. But when you look at the released videos of him, he was walking just fine. At the hearing he was sitting down, no signs of pain or discomfort. That's odd, considering the alleged health issues that motivated the CEO's assassination.
Maybe he’s on pain killers.
 
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Now... What will Luigi Mangione say for his defence?

1. He is not the shooter and has nothing to do with that assassination.

2. He is the shooter, deemed the CEO responsible for "denials of claims" that led many to get sicker, die or face serious financial problems, and he chose to assassinate him as punishment and as a warning to other CEOs, the healthcare industry, etc. He therefore sees that act of planned, cold-blooded murder as "self-defence" of sorts 'cause he was defending the interests and very lives of the American people. He gave himself moral authority to bypass the law and commit "vigilante justice."

3. He was insane at the time of events and could not tell right from wrong.


If he argues the first point and it is proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he is indeed the shooter, it'll make him uncredible to the jury, and it'll show lack of remorse.

If he argues the second point, he'll be convicted unless one or more juror agree with such an act of vigilante murder, with his reasoning, and I'm sure the prosecution will do its darndest to eliminate all such outrageously biased jurors. I'm also certain the prosecution will do damnedest to humanize the victim, Mr. Brian Thompson, demonstrate that he was not so responsible for all the denials of claims, that his decision-making power was limited, and that he was actually working on cutting out-of-pocket costs, among other things.

If he argues the third point, it'll be an uphill battle for him and his defence team, esp. if he shows no actual remorse, did not have a history of serious depression or mental illness, and all the premeditation will not help.

In all cases, the prosecution will likely emphasize the impact the murder has had on the victim's friends and family.
Some lawyers think Karen will start focusing the defense on misidentification.

Also I’ve seen the feds complaints and it seems that the evidences they posted were rushed. Timelines don’t make sense either so I imagine it shouldn’t be too hard.
 
LM previously detailed health issues including back pain, brain fog and sciatica. But when you look at the released videos of him, he was walking just fine. At the hearing he was sitting down, no signs of pain or discomfort. That's odd, considering the alleged health issues that motivated the CEO's assassination.
It’s alleged that he revealed that a recent back surgery was “successful”. IDK the story is beyond confusing now.
 
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There is ZERO question this was an inside job. Either Thompson had himself killed for insurance purposes or Luigi was working with a UHC insider.

Supporting Facts:1) Who was Luigi talking to on a burner phone at 630am? You don’t just call your buddy to say hi at 630 10 minutes before shooting someone

2) How would Luigi know to get to the hotel at 630? He obviously knew what Thompson’s schedule was. Otherwise as he planned so much, why not be there earlier? In addition, how did Luigi know Thompson was staying at the Hilton across the street instead of the same hotel as the conference?

3) What are the odds that Thompson would be walking by himself at dawn, especially after receiving earlier death threats? Even a CEO with a crappy little company has security, much less the UHC CEO. The chances he normally would be alone are non existent

4) For someone that was a valedictorian, how could he possibly be so stupid-after the crime. That was bizarre and seems way too obviousThere is definitely more to the story! What I don’t get though, is how or why Luigi got involved

5) What about Thompson supposedly suppose to testify against members of congress? Things seem too simple as they have been presented to the public.

Did Luigi have an intimate relationship with Thompson?

So you think Thompson has a secret lover Luigi and he wants Luigi to kill them. And there is zero question about it.