Nude Chocolate Jesus on Cross

I have a huge problem with the commercialism of Christmas and Easter. If you come to my house, you won't find any Easter decorations. I don't celebrate Easter by coloring eggs and stuff. As a child, I was taught that all the Easter celebrations were just for Spring, not having anything to do with the religious holiday.

With Christmas, I don't go overboard with decorations, either. This year I didn't even put up a tree and I didn't miss it at all. Christmas isn't just a time to give gifts, because I give my friends things all year long--just out of friendship.

It pains me that non-Christians celebrate the holiday and that stores have commercialized it to gross proportions. In order to combat it, I choose to not participate in their misrepresentation.
 
It's unfortunate that the major publications of the art world all take 2-3 months for their production schedule to catch up to any current events like this. It will be some time before we here their side of the story on this issue I fear.
 
How do you feel about Easter being turned into a candy holiday where an imaginary bunny brings kids baskets full of chocolates, jelly beans, sugar-chickies, coloured eggs and prizes, as a means to celebrate the risen Christ? Do ya think just maybe the artist of this piece just *might* have been trying to say something?

Religious festivals have always had to cope to some extent with the popular practices associated with those days which have nothing whatsoever to do with the religious event being commemorated. When the western church decided in the 4th Century AD to separate Christmas from Epiphany and hold it on 25th December, the old winter solstice festival, it accepted many of the established practices associated with the older festival such as feasting and giving of presents.

Similarly the festival of Christ's Resurrection was fixed in such a way as to take over the old spring fertility festival. Eggs I think, were historically associated with the fertility festival as signs of rebirth, although the giving and receiving of Chocilate eggs is a relatively modern practice, perhaps no more than 150 years years old at most.

Whilst aggs as symbols of new life can perhaps be linked to the idea of resurrection, I don't see how an edible chocolate cross can possibly be reconciled with the solemnity ofr Good Friday. Surely Good Friday is about remembering Christ's sacrifice and suffering, "His one oblation of himself once offered," as the Prayer Book puts it, and a day one which we might associate ourselves with Christ's sufferings by undergoing a little discipline and self denial. It's hardly a day to be scoffing chocolate.
 
Religious festivals have always had to cope to some extent with the popular practices associated with those days which have nothing whatsoever to do with the religious event being commemorated. When the western church decided in the 4th Century AD to separate Christmas from Epiphany and hold it on 25th December, the old winter solstice festival, it accepted many of the established practices associated with the older festival such as feasting and giving of presents.

Similarly the festival of Christ's Resurrection was fixed in such a way as to take over the old spring fertility festival. Eggs I think, were historically associated with the fertility festival as signs of rebirth, although the giving and receiving of Chocilate eggs is a relatively modern practice, perhaps no more than 150 years years old at most.

Whilst aggs as symbols of new life can perhaps be linked to the idea of resurrection, I don't see how an edible chocolate cross can possibly be reconciled with the solemnity ofr Good Friday. Surely Good Friday is about remembering Christ's sacrifice and suffering, "His one oblation of himself once offered," as the Prayer Book puts it, and a day one which we might associate ourselves with Christ's sufferings by undergoing a little discipline and self denial. It's hardly a day to be scoffing chocolate.


So then, you are assesing the value or permissibility of pagan ritual according to age? You are saying that one set of pagan rituals, as in eggs, is okay, because you acknowledge that it was going on long before the early Christians took it over and turned it into "Easter". You just don't happen to find the Easter Bunny particularly offensive, probably because it's fuzzy and cute. I'm not sure what you mean by scoffing chocolate, but my question is this: why is it only Christians who get to decide what is and is not appropriate for everyone, when their own holidays are just dates taken over from pagan rituals? Jesus wasn't born anywhere near the 25th of December, or even in the winter, according to scholars and historians of the time. It was just convenient to turn another pagan holiday into a Christian one. Can you see the hypocrisy?

Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it wrong for everybody. I think a person's beliefs are pretty flimsy when they can't stand up to any sort of challenge. This stuff makes me very angry.

edit- to clarify, religious festivals have not "always had to cope" with some degree of pagan intrusion- they BEGAN as pagan festivals! If you knew a little more about what you were talking about, it would be more convincing.
 
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The Chocolate Jesus made the news down here in Australia too. They were just talking about it on a comedy show "Rove Live", he made a crack about how they've also cancelled plans to produce a 6ft Jesus made of jelly, it was apparently going to be known as "The king of the Jubes".
 
Guys on my job today was talking and jokin about a Headline News story with me, about a 6 foot nude (dark) chocolate Jesus hangin from a cross.
I really didn't believe them until they showed me a print out of the story...
see/ref WLKY.com Image/Story.

Nude Chocolate Jesus Angers Catholic League and finds offensive.
The story (on TV) kept making a point that it was anatomically correct...
but supposively it's also offensive because the genitals are extremely massive and hanging beyond average size.
The sculptor Cosimo Cavallaro, calls the figure "My Sweet Lord" and said viwers will be invited to lick it and eat it before it's taken down on Easter.
It's being displayed in NY at the Lab Gallery at The Roger Smith Hotel (April2 Holy Week-Easter).
I hope some of our NY LSPG goes to see it, and report back if this story is indeed true or some update.
The guys made comments and laughed. Ask me if I had a part-time job posing for the sculpture. Later, I found a chocolate candy bar from the vending machine, taped on my locker with a little printed note LICK ON THIS YOU BIG DICK CHOCOLATE COON.:eek:
Now this was a bit over the top and offenvie to me, but I didn't say anything.
Then I got to thinkin, if they're jockin about something like this, how many others are too, as another way of making fun of some black men who have large gentials and always precieved as being well endowed...only good for lickin' like chocolate candy and used for sex and workin in the fields.
I also understand a young sculptor has done the same with O'Buma=(sorry about the spelling) but you know the black man trying to run for president that Jesse Jackson just endorsed!
Perhaps I'm being too sentive; and just call it art and talent for the sculptors...but what's the real point:confused: =SARCASM.
But here in the south (Mississippi) a black-man hangin naked from a cross or any tree at no joke!
It frightens me!
HOW DO YOU FEEL IF YOU CARE TO COMMENT...COME ON MY BROTHAS!
Whopper-lee

Whopper-lee, what they did to you at work, you should not tolerate that kind of behavior,how can you!?!
Seriously, I don't know what kind of place it is, but,these guys seem to be threatened by you. If it was me, I'd be cussing every one of those "red-neckedcracker assholes" out.
Then, I would be filing a complaint with/against the management.
I find it hard to believe that, management is so naive,as to not know,what is going on.
If you were to "play" the same kind of "joke" on them they would be "whupping your ass",on a daily basis!
Forget about them harassing you. If you complained,that kind of racist,name calling,is never ever funny, and shouldn't be allowed,to take place anywhere, but especially not tolerated on job! Tell these so called friends (guys) at work.
Why,are you ignoring this? Are you ignoring this,as a way to "get along" at work? I understand why you would, but, I can't condone that, because those people will never stop if they think you are ok, with these "jokes".
I am a black woman, so hoping this will go away isn't an option for me, and I have had similar types of incidents happen at work.
I don't tolerate it from anybody. No one is that good,of a friend!
Sorry.
Nah, I'm not sorry about being this way either!
Cigarbabe:saevil:
 
I'm right with you, Freddie. I don't like the sculpture, so I choose not to look at it in an exhibition. Making death threats about it are way over the top...The best way to protest it is just choosing not to go look at it. This is a free country. We're not forced to see it if we don't want to.
Hear, hear, prepstud and Freddie. You got me thinking.

An MSNBC poll on the chocolate Christ shows the population divided about 50/50 on whether the artwork is offensive or not. Given that a vast majority of those likely to respond are nominally religious, many Christians obviously aren't terribly upset.

If your moral beliefs are strong and true, they will withstand being made fun of.

Does the gay rights movement withstand cheap shots such as The Producers, Jack from Will & Grace, and every dumpy drag queen on every float in every gay pride parade in the world? The answer is yes, of course. The gay movement mocks itself before its enemies can, and laughs off the stereotypes.

Can Muslim fundamentalism withstand the sight of men and women cavorting in bikinis and speedos on the beach, having fun and suffering no ill effects? Or a few Danish cartoons? Apparently not.

Does the Catholic church admit that nuns can be a figure of fun? Half-heartedly. Does it go on the attack when someone suggests, however sensibly, that a celibate clergy invites the sexually fucked up? You bet. Even though the point is so obvious as to be laughable. And the Church suffers for it.

Having a sense of humour about yourself is a sign of strength and confidence. It keeps you sane and grounded.

Besides, what's a mockery and what isn't?

In my cupboard, I have a box of Ezekiel 4:9 brand cereal. Made by the Food for Life Baking Company of Corona, California, it contains wheat, barley, beans, lentils, millet and spelt, "as described in the Holy Scriptures". Their website links to NO religious organisations, and they steer clear any suggestion that we might listen to scripture rather than the FDA food pyramid or mainstream nutricrats.

(By the way, it tastes terrible. Just my opinion.)

Now...is this a mockery? A joke? Any more or less than the utterly scripturally accurate t-shirts and stickers you can buy on Betty Bowers' website?

Is the chocolate Jesus a mockery or an homage? With such diabolically clever people about nowadays, you often can't tell. And as modern times have taught us, the truth does a much better job of mocking itself than the professionals ever can.

If the pastor of a midwest megachurch decided that for Easter, he would make a 200 lb chocolate Christ, consecrate it, and distribute pieces in place of the communion host on Easter Sunday, he might be hailed as a great moderniser of religious tradition, reaching out to the masses with symbols and language they can understand.

And though they might shake their heads and go tut-tut, you can be sure as hell that you wouldn't have heard the Catholic hierarchy come out and condemn it, as they did My Sweet Lord.

As prepstud suggests, am I mocking believers when I, an atheist, string up Christmas lights on my balcony? Did I taunt Christians and Jews as I used the word hell in a previous paragraph, when I don't actually believe it exists? Is it a worse blasphemy than someone who does believe in hell using the word?

Am I glad the Roger Smith Hotel caved into pressure from the fundies in the face of death threats? As one who walks past the gallery every day on his way to work, and who could have been blown up on the footpath, yes.

Christ on a bicycle! What kind of world do we live in?
 
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Um, the statue was to be displayed in an art gallery, for 2 hours each day. There was never any intention to display in in a church. I believe the artists intent was to capture an audience that does not attend church and get them to think about what Easter and the Crucifixion means to them personally.

So the question is what right does your church have to shut down an art exhibition in an independent art gallery?
Either I misstated my position or you misunderstood. The church has absolutely no authority to shut down an art exhibit, nor should a church be allowed to do so. I was referring to the fact that would be improper to have a nude picture of Jesus, chocolate or otherwise inside my church. As in on property owned by my church.

However, my church doesn't try to "run" the lives of its members. No member would have gotten into "trouble" for going to see the statue. My church teaches that each person has his own connection with God and doesn't have to go through the church or the pastor.

As far as Easter eggs. Yes our church will have an Easter egg hunt on the lawn of the church for the children. And I know there are pagan roots to Easter eggs. However, it would be improper in our church to have the Easter egg hunt in the Sanctuary or Chapel.

The point i wanted to make was that the "improperness" of it is about 'WHERE' the statue is displayed, not if it can be displayed.

Death threats and the like are about as "UnChristlike" as it can get. Jesus said, "If you do it to the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me." So these "Christians" have in effect threatened to kill Jesus.

I am a firm believer that religion is personal and church beliefs belong in the church and how the members themselves live. It is not about trying to make the rest of the world conform to a particular church's idea about how to live.
 
So then, you are assesing the value or permissibility of pagan ritual according to age? You are saying that one set of pagan rituals, as in eggs, is okay, because you acknowledge that it was going on long before the early Christians took it over and turned it into "Easter". You just don't happen to find the Easter Bunny particularly offensive, probably because it's fuzzy and cute. I'm not sure what you mean by scoffing chocolate, but my question is this: why is it only Christians who get to decide what is and is not appropriate for everyone, when their own holidays are just dates taken over from pagan rituals? Jesus wasn't born anywhere near the 25th of December, or even in the winter, according to scholars and historians of the time. It was just convenient to turn another pagan holiday into a Christian one. Can you see the hypocrisy?

Just because YOU don't like something doesn't make it wrong for everybody. I think a person's beliefs are pretty flimsy when they can't stand up to any sort of challenge. This stuff makes me very angry.

edit- to clarify, religious festivals have not "always had to cope" with some degree of pagan intrusion- they BEGAN as pagan festivals! If you knew a little more about what you were talking about, it would be more convincing.

You're such a nice girl - I can tell! To be honest I hadn't really thought about the permissibility of pagan or 'folk' customs in terms of their antiquity. Nor, for that matter, had the thought of Easter bunnies, cute or otherwise, entered my head.

I can't speak for sunny Ohio but England has been a Christian country since the days of the Celtic priests Christianised these islands, long before Augustine, who usually gets credit for it, arrived in 597. It is still a nominally Christian country as evidenced by The Queen's headship of the Church, although it has become very multi-faith and multi-cultural like many other modern western countries. I'm not saying that's right for one should necessarily be right for all. Far from it. That never has been the case. However, there should be a recognition of the fact that it is, albeit nominally and imperfectly a Christian country, and Christian values should inform our national life.


It is perfectly true that the Christian church in these islands, and elsewhere, adopted the ancient 'folk' festivals and Christianised them. Surely it was a far wiser and saner policy than trying to do away with customs to which the people were addicted. Christmas and Easter apart, I wouldn't be surprised if the Rogationtide blessing of the crops, had its origin in some primitive fertility ritual. What's happened sadly in modern times is that the Christian aspects of Christmas and Easter have tended to become obscured by the folk ones. For too many people this Easter will be nothing more than a Bank Holiday and a chocolate fest.

I personally find the idea of a chocolate cross repulsive because for me a cross represents sacrifice - costly, self-giving sacrifice, not self indulgence.
 
I personally find the idea of a chocolate cross repulsive because for me a cross represents sacrifice - costly, self-giving sacrifice, not self indulgence.

Exactly! I think everyone is repulsed by the concept of a chocolate Jesus on the cross or actually chomping of a piece with your teeth. But if your thoughts stop there at your repulsion with the artpiece, are you in fact missing the deeper purpose or meaning of the work of art? Are you so repulsed that your brain is frozen and cannot look to a deeper meaning?

Why is it acceptable to be repulsed by the artist and his work but not invetsigate the reasons an artist would create something such as this? Art should not just hang on the wall and be "pretty" it should make you think, or see something about the world in a new perspective.
 
The point i wanted to make was that the "improperness" of it is about 'WHERE' the statue is displayed, not if it can be displayed.
What's wrong with "where" or "when"? Easter is as good a time as any.

I just find it funny that most Christians are cool with the idea of worshiping bunnies laying eggs on the day of Resurrection and horrified at the fact that Jesus had a penis...among other things.
 
a 6 foot nude (dark) chocolate Jesus hangin from a cross.
it's also offensive because the gentials are extremely massive and hanging beyond average size.

Whopper-lee

The statue was shown on CNN and its genitals are not massive as the piece was done in the classical Greek style:

http://www.lpsg.org/654870-post18.html

That it had huge genitals was a false statement used by opponents of the statue to inflame people. That untruth appears again here:

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"Jesus had a dynamic double digit dick (aka 10+ inch cock)
So what is the shitty criticism about the chocolate sculpture of Jesus with the erection."
 
If the Artist didn't mean to make his creation to mock Jesus, then I see no problem with it. The bible does say that the Roman Soilders took Jesus's clothes and cast lots for them. Plus people were crusifide naked on those days. Even though the bible dosn't say he was stripped naked, it dousn't mean he wasn't. As for the dark chocolete, If he wanted to be truely historicly correct (And he may not want to be- Art comes from the soul, not from facts) he may have used milk chocolet insteed, because the Jews at that time were light brown. This doesn't matter. He died for ALL of ADAM's RACE. No matter what shade of skin we are.
 
I am not a Christian, but I am an artist and an undergraduate Art major. In fact, we recently discussed this piece in my Art History class. My professor posed the question, "What is art?" and the consensus was that art is a reflection of some aspect of the human identity. Everything we experience in life contributes to our creativity, whether we are so-called artists or not. I agree with rubberwilli:
Art should not just hang on the wall and be "pretty" it should make you think, or see something about the world in a new perspective.
I consider this piece art, regardless of the social controversies, because it does fit my criteria. Far too many of us do not realize that a lot of those "pretty" pictures hanging in major museums today were shrouded with controversy, whether for content or style. I believe all artists (including writers, filmmakers, actors, musicians, etc.) possess the responsibility to communicate their perspective of the human condition.

The banter back & forth about this piece is truly sensational and stimulating, and therefore is a means with which individuals seeing or knowing about this art to reflect upon their own experiences and beliefs. What a great opportunity for us all!!!

P.S.--
I feel compelled to comment on Adrian's statement:
Surely it was a far wiser and saner policy than trying to do away with customs to which the people were addicted.

Indigenious peoples were NOT "addicted" to their customs -- they had from their own theories and/or doctrines describing the natural order of the universe, albeit different from their Christian/European colonizers. What else is religion than the human attempt to make sense of our existence and have faith in the potentiality of our greater and lesser selves?

The "Church" exacted what amounts to spiritual imperialism upon many indigenious peoples throughout the world. In regions of North, South and Central America, in what was colonial Spain, native peoples were shown substitutions for their own deities and converted to Catholicism, sometimes by the promise of food and shelter. In the U.S., Native American children were removed from their families and homes in an effort to replace their beliefs and culture with Christianity at Indian Normal schools. In most cases (I hazard to say "all" because I would not want to generalize), the cosmology and culture of these people was viewed as inferior and savage.

Please do not perpetuate the prejudice of your forefathers.