Video Openly Gay Men Trying And Experimenting With Str8/bi/ftm Porn! Some For The Very First Time.

[oddpurple]

Anything to deflect or deny what I said despite Jeffer, a pan man who dated a transman confirming it in his text above. Just so you know, I'm talking about transexuals not transgenders

If you really want to get into it then fine lol

You ended your post off with the following

“ If Luis is indeed choosing not to fully transition because of money, then it's valid but if he's choosing not to transition because they thinks they don't need to but still refers to themselves as a trans man, then that's a problem”

Your problem is that you think that’s some sort of solution or “finish line” but this thread itself has shown that some don’t even consider that enough and still call more feminine trans men like Noahway a woman and continue to discredit his gender.

The point is some people will NEVER be happy and will live in their transphobic and or dismissive views, so trying to set some benchmark standard on what it is or isn’t to be valid as a trans person in terms of the physical presentation. Is a trans woman not a woman if she never gets gender reassignment surgery and still has a penis? What if she’s on estrogen but doesn’t get facial feminization surgery.


I’m not trying to dismiss the physical aspect outright, because using your point, if a ultra fem cis woman declares she’s a trans man then I know she’s not going to be taken seriously in that moment, but like I said, making a check sheet on the physical requirements and aspects is not a way to go about determining what’s valid because there is no universal list and there never will be.

 

[Smallteaplant]

If you really want to get into it then fine lol

You ended your post off with the following

“ If Luis is indeed choosing not to fully transition because of money, then it's valid but if he's choosing not to transition because they thinks they don't need to but still refers to themselves as a trans man, then that's a problem”

Your problem is that you think that’s some sort of solution or “finish line” but this thread itself has shown that some don’t even consider that enough and still call more feminine trans men like Noahway a woman and continue to discredit his gender.

The point is some people will NEVER be happy and will live in their transphobic and or dismissive views, so trying to set some benchmark standard on what it is or isn’t to be valid as a trans person in terms of the physical presentation. Is a trans woman not a woman if she never gets gender reassignment surgery and still has a penis? What if she’s on estrogen but doesn’t get facial feminization surgery.


I’m not trying to dismiss the physical aspect outright, because using your point, if a ultra fem cis woman declares she’s a trans man then I know she’s not going to be taken seriously in that moment, but like I said, making a check sheet on the physical requirements and aspects is not a way to go about determining what’s valid because there is no universal list and there never will be.

Do you ask all of this shit from straight? Why do I have partcipate in forced soldarity politcs?

 

[oddpurple]

Do you ask all of this shit from straight? Why do I have partcipate in forced soldarity politcs?

Which straight? Straight people? The Bering Strait?


I wasn’t aware I was even asking anything of anyone, I was just pointing out the fact that in terms of trans people there’s no definitive answer or benchmark on what it is to be, trans. And here’s the great thing no one is forcing you to do anything! would it be nice if you and straight people had some empathy and decency for trans people and their journeys? Yes. But can anyone force you? No. So I don’t know why you’re acting as if you’re being forced.

 

[bobobunny]

where is the video?

This is a screenshot from their OF live stream. There's no video available - just this screenshot.

 

[Smallteaplant]

Which straight? Straight people? The Bering Strait?


I wasn’t aware I was even asking anything of anyone, I was just pointing out the fact that in terms of trans people there’s no definitive answer or benchmark on what it is to be, trans. And here’s the great thing no one is forcing you to do anything! would it be nice if you and straight people had some empathy and decency for trans people and their journeys? Yes. But can anyone force you? No. So I don’t know why you’re acting as if you’re being forced.

so clever.
I'm indifferent to the whole mess.

 

[oddpurple]

so clever.
I'm indifferent to the whole mess.

Your first post more than says otherwise

But if you’re truly indifferent then you can stay out of it

 

[pingpong9]

A Gay Groom Married His Girlfriend After 7 Years Together — Why They Don't Consider Their Relationship a Lavender Marriage

 

[Smallteaplant]

Your first post more than says otherwise

But if you’re truly indifferent then you can stay out of it

This is a porn site. These guys are porn stars so they can screw whomever they want. My point of contention is that straight men would turn violent if transwomen and male-on-male sodomy were in their porn.

 

[Cappuccino]

This is a porn site. These guys are porn stars so they can screw whomever they want. My point of contention is that straight men would turn violent if transwomen and male-on-male sodomy were in their porn.

It seems some people in this thread can only understand their sexual identity through the actions of the porn actors they're attracted to, with even minor deviations from regular viewing schedules triggering a category-five identity crisis.

Let's be clear: if your gay identity is solely derived from the porn you jack off to, the identity of gayness you're defending is a joke. Pure and simple. If your self-concept is mediated solely through the porn you watch and the expectations of those actors, you add nothing to the community. You're living in a fantasy where not only do you outsource your sexual gratification to performers, but also your sense of belonging and identity.

The idea that the community is “under attack” because of parasocial disappointments with strangers is absurd. There’s no shortage of gay porn, and there will continue to be plenty for years to come. However, if you want an authentic connection with someone, you need to step out into the real world and engage with them. But what’s happening here is projection—you see yourself in the pornstars, then get upset when something filmed weeks ago doesn’t let you fully inhabit that fantasy for the 12 minutes it takes to knock one out. This frustration then warps into a misguided, almost jingoistic defence of “the gays,” totally disconnected from the essence of gay rights advocacy: the freedom to express one’s sexual identity without prejudice. It has never been about essentializing what it means to be gay.

If your sense of self feels threatened by the actions of porn actors-who, by the way, are neither confined to your fantasies nor have any real intention of connecting with you personally-it's time to step back and reevaluate. Real relationships and genuine connections with others can help you explore who you are beyond the surface of sexual desire. Interacting with real people, with all their complexities and nuances, will do far more for your self-understanding and acceptance.

Your fantasy that you are defending gay rights on here is nothing more than another rope of watery spunk splattering out as you sit in your own pool of confusion. And you have the nerve to project clapped-out ideas of "what pride used to be" or pretend to protect gayness, when in reality, this wet, sentimental bullshit prevents you from engaging with the deeper, more authentic aspects of identity.

 

[oddpurple]

This is a porn site. These guys are porn stars so they can screw whomever they want. My point of contention is that straight men would turn violent if transwomen and male-on-male sodomy were in their porn.

Not really sure what point you’re trying to make since

1. Plenty of straight men like trans women and are also completely comfortable with it / don’t think it makes them anything other than straight

2. Why would a straight guy be watching male/male aka gay porn in the first place.

Like this is such a non-issue lol, if you don’t like a particular genre of porn, a particular performer, or anything about it you simply don’t like…..then don’t watch it

Like some of you are really acting like you’re being sat down and strapped in like this

while being forced to watch a newly out trans man serenade you while playing with a vibrator

 

[Cappuccino]

Relevant. Small tea pot or whatever your name is pick your jaw up off of the floor and get back to your shallow existence and clam chowder.

 

[My_Beard_87]

Not really sure what point you’re trying to make since

1. Plenty of straight men like trans women and are also completely comfortable with it / don’t think it makes them anything other than straight

2. Why would a straight guy be watching male/male aka gay porn in the first place.

Like this is such a non-issue lol, if you don’t like a particular genre of porn, a particular performer, or anything about it you simply don’t like…..then don’t watch it

Like some of you are really acting like you’re being sat down and strapped in like this View attachment 153991141
while being forced to watch a newly out trans man serenade you while playing with a vibrator

They so LOVE feeling oppressed, don't they? Wait, let me check for a violin to play...

 

[sylarrr007]

Your problem is that you think that’s some sort of solution or “finish line” but this thread itself has shown that some don’t even consider that enough and still call more feminine trans men like Noahway a woman and continue to discredit his gender.

I don't really agree with the bolded and I've even reported transphobic posts on this thread before but that being said, it shouldn't be used to justify trans men and women not wanting to transition because of society's ignorance

 

[Cappuccino]

I don't really agree with the bolded and I've even reported transphobic posts on this thread before but that being said, it shouldn't be used to justify trans men and women not wanting to transition because of society's ignorance

“Society” needs to dream bigger if this is what they’re concerned with.

 

[Otterpup734]

A Gay Groom Married His Girlfriend After 7 Years Together — Why They Don't Consider Their Relationship a Lavender MarriageView attachment 153987691

In Karen's voice: Oh honey... how do I say this nicely... you're GAY, and she's straight. This isn't gonna work.

It's almost as if Will & Grace didn't teach the world anything

 

[sylarrr007]

1. Plenty of straight men like trans women and are also completely comfortable with it / don’t think it makes them anything other than straight

2. Why would a straight guy be watching male/male aka gay porn in the first place.

I think he meant adding trans women and bi porn to their studio's roster which straight porn studios never do, you will never see some sort of bisexual or trans porn when browsing sites like Brazzers.

Funny how folks like you never seem to criticize straight porn studios that don't mix straight, trans and bi porn (and no, ffm isn't seen as bi porn) on their site but gay men have to open our arms to those types of porn when we scroll studios like Men who's owned by the same company that owns Brazzers. People criticize gay men for not wanting to see those scenes calling us misogynistic and transphobic instead of blaming these companies for doing what capitalists do best, trying to maximize profits with minimal investments, their bi studio was a huge flop since the Arad scene so when they rebranded to Aylo or whatever they call themselves, they decided to kill two birds with one stone by using their gay studio as collateral damage, ending their bi studio and adding the bi content to the gay site, why didn't they add it to their straight porn roster if they wanted to seem politically correct? Folks like you keep mute on the opposite end especially when trans women are the ones discriminated the most as they are not seen as "real women" compared to trans men in gay porn. How do your surface level activism advocate for those or it ends on the gay spectrum? Double standards are really doubling

Fortunately for Aylo, we are in the personal content era that they can't even match hence why there was no backlash like the Arad scene that prompted them to create their own bi studio which in turn also flopped because no one cares for them like we did back in the day

 

[oddpurple]

I think he meant adding trans women and bi porn to their studio's roster which straight porn studios never do, you will never see some sort of bisexual or trans porn when browsing sites like Brazzers.

Funny how folks like you never seem to criticize straight porn studios that don't mix straight, trans and bi porn (and no, ffm isn't seen as bi porn) on their site but gay men have to open our arms to those types of porn when we scroll studios like Men who's owned by the same company that owns Brazzers. People criticize gay men for not wanting to see those scenes calling us misogynistic and transphobic instead of blaming these companies for doing what capitalists do best, trying to maximize profits with minimal investments, their bi studio was a huge flop since the Arad scene so when they rebranded to Aylo or whatever they call themselves, they decided to kill two birds with one stone by using their gay studio as collateral damage, ending their bi studio and adding the bi content to the gay site, why didn't they add it to their straight porn roster if they wanted to seem politically correct? Folks like you keep mute on the opposite end especially when trans women are the ones discriminated the most as they are not seen as "real women" compared to trans men in gay porn. How do your surface level activism advocate for those or it ends on the gay spectrum? Double standards are really doubling

Fortunately for Aylo, we are in the personal content era that they can't even match hence why there was no backlash like the Arad scene that prompted them to create their own bi studio which in turn also flopped because no one cares for them like we did back in the day

Maybe because I don’t follow straight porn studios nor do I care about them? Why would I criticize something I don’t even follow.

Like you want to try and make it seem like it’s some big revelation when your argument on this is the epitome of “whataboutism”

Literally the only studio I know that has done any sort of content like you’re mentioning is Men.com. Literally every other major studio I haven’t seen anything of the sort but you want to make it seem like gay porn is under attack lol

To which I say

1. You seriously need to reprioritize your life if porn matters this much to you
2. Step back and consider how much porn you’re consuming if you're keeping this close of tabs on porn/porn studios.

 

[My_Beard_87]

I think he meant adding trans women and bi porn to their studio's roster which straight porn studios never do, you will never see some sort of bisexual or trans porn when browsing sites like Brazzers.

Funny how folks like you never seem to criticize straight porn studios that don't mix straight, trans and bi porn (and no, ffm isn't seen as bi porn) on their site but gay men have to open our arms to those types of porn when we scroll studios like Men who's owned by the same company that owns Brazzers. People criticize gay men for not wanting to see those scenes calling us misogynistic and transphobic instead of blaming these companies for doing what capitalists do best, trying to maximize profits with minimal investments, their bi studio was a huge flop since the Arad scene so when they rebranded to Aylo or whatever they call themselves, they decided to kill two birds with one stone by using their gay studio as collateral damage, ending their bi studio and adding the bi content to the gay site, why didn't they add it to their straight porn roster if they wanted to seem politically correct? Folks like you keep mute on the opposite end especially when trans women are the ones discriminated the most as they are not seen as "real women" compared to trans men in gay porn. How do your surface level activism advocate for those or it ends on the gay spectrum? Double standards are really doubling

Fortunately for Aylo, we are in the personal content era that they can't even match hence why there was no backlash like the Arad scene that prompted them to create their own bi studio which in turn also flopped because no one cares for them like we did back in the day

Devil's Film featured and still features bisexual/trans scenes. Same thing with other websites like Pure Taboo, Modern Day Sins, Deeper, etc.

 

[Tom Sugden]

Devil's Film featured and still features bisexual/trans scenes. Same thing with other websites like Pure Taboo, Modern Day Sins, Deeper, etc.

Modern Day Sins and Pure Taboo don't seem to have that much in the last few years, but you're right about Devil's Film.

And the Men bi scenes are still around, even if it looks like it's kept together with popsicle sticks and glue.

I do think that in general most gay or straight porn consumers still like to just keep to their own.

I haven't really seen this huge amount of outrage toward gay porn viewers for complaining, unless you count some posts on a message board. Even that doesn't really compare to the amount of hostility any performer who ever even tweets about possibly doing a bi or trans scene gets. (gay porn performers who tweeted celebratory declarations after Trump won got less backlash than someone who tweeted about possibly doing a bi or trans scene)

As for trans women, I'd say they have more of a foothold in the industry than trans men, who are often still treated as an oddity or curiosity.

 

[bobojamesss]

I wish that a separate thread could be established for the lengthy (and I'm sure very important) debates about sexuality. Is there a way to keep this one focused on sharing actual scenes?