Philippe Soulier

[CrownB]

Not every conservative is a Bible thumping christian, and not every Christian that says they're against homosexuality hates homosexuals. They're mostly just deluded and think they are loving their neighbour by telling you that your sin is taking you to hell. Their intentions count more than someone who claims to be offended by what they say. It's usually better to grow some thicker skin.

Sure there is homophobia too, but most so called homophobia you hear about nowadays is exaggerated and doesn't go so deep. The last time I encountered what I would consider true homophobia was 14 years ago. Unless you're living in Uganda or alike, we don't have much to complain about in the western world anymore, and it is not a wise move to poke conservatives in the eye with a stick like the movement has been doing more and more in recent years.

Trump is not a homophobe. Not even close.

"Not every conservative is a Bible thumping christian, and not every Christian that says they're against homosexuality hates homosexuals. They're mostly just deluded and think they are loving their neighbour by telling you that your sin is taking you to hell. Their intentions count more than someone who claims to be offended by what they say. It's usually better to grow some thicker skin." I agree. I even read that there's this one conservative who supports gay marriage because it shows that this is an important intitution for a society. So, I agree that not everybody is fundamentalist. However, they appear to be a minority.

"Unless you're living in Uganda or alike, we don't have much to complain about in the western world anymore, and it is not a wise move to poke conservatives in the eye with a stick like the movement has been doing more and more in recent years." Loads of trumpists praise Uganda on they way they treat homosexuality. If you have in group, many people who like a certain thing, that thing is a distinctive feature of that group. They wouldn't support someone who's not on the same page as they are.

 

[Muscleterf54]

Oh yeah, cognitive dissonance. If you're gay and you support Trump, you are cognitively dissonant. Most of his supporters hate gays, some might not, but it doesn't change that that environment is inhospitable for gays.

But I am unbothered by the christians portion of Trump supporters.
Most of them don't actually hate gays. They have just been convinced by religion that homosexuality is an abomination, and that it is their duty as Christians to reject it and warn their neighbour that their sin is taking them to hell. As ridiculous as that might sound to an atheist, from a christian perspective, it is a loving thing to do. I have only seen one conservative in the US advocating for death penalty for homosexuality. The old guard is about to die off. Many Trump voters are politically liberal but fiscally conservative too.

Lots of groups in this world hates each other. My Serbian friend has irrational hate for Albanians, and even spat at one in our younger years for no apparent reason. I hate large portions of plenty of groups too. I am not motivated to go out and take action against them though, and neither is most conservatives.

 

[Ssa1814]

Some degree of self hate is actually a good thing. It prevents me from acting like a total fool in the street with the rest of the turds during pride month I don't begrudge anyone having a party. I do however begrudge people who mistake their sexuality for some massively important signifier that not only demands that other people respect them, but also pay them some special dues.

You are pointing to extreme Maga idiots. I don't have much love for them. Most people who vote republican like I said just cares about making more money, and not the issues you're mentioning.

I am against gay marriage, especially in church. That's like a jew who wants to become a nazi. What was so wrong about civil unions? And gays buying children through surrogacy is disgusting! I for one would not want to be without my mom and dad.

I am not saying there isn't gays who experience homophobia in the western world. All I am saying is that it is not the norm anymore. Many gays are using the term homophobia to play a victim and to shut up people they disagree with.

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In 2024, the ACLU tracked 533anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.”​

“The FBI’s report noted that there were 2,402 recorded incidents relating to an alleged victim’s sexual orientation in 2023, up from 1,947 the year before, and 547 relating to an alleged victim’s gender identity, compared with 469 the year before. The gender identity category included 401 instances that were specifically anti-transgender and 146 that targeted someone who was gender nonconforming.”

Like I said. YOU are the lowest of the low.

 

[Muscleterf54]

"Not every conservative is a Bible thumping christian, and not every Christian that says they're against homosexuality hates homosexuals. They're mostly just deluded and think they are loving their neighbour by telling you that your sin is taking you to hell. Their intentions count more than someone who claims to be offended by what they say. It's usually better to grow some thicker skin." I agree. I even read that there's this one conservative who supports gay marriage because it shows that this is an important intitution for a society. So, I agree that not everybody is fundamentalist. However, they appear to be a minority.

"Unless you're living in Uganda or alike, we don't have much to complain about in the western world anymore, and it is not a wise move to poke conservatives in the eye with a stick like the movement has been doing more and more in recent years." Loads of trumpists praise Uganda on they way they treat homosexuality. If you have in group, many people who like a certain thing, that thing is a distinctive feature of that group. They wouldn't support someone who's not on the same page as they are.

Many praise uganda for that? Most just finds that infamous "why are you Geh" interview hilarious AF, including myself. The people praising Uganda's gay right policies are for the most part Russian. Don't let comment sections on YouTube fool you to believe an entire group think alike.

 

[CrownB]

Some degree of self hate is actually a good thing. It prevents me from acting like a total fool in the street with the rest of the turds during pride month I don't begrudge anyone having a party. I do however begrudge people who mistake their sexuality for some massively important signifier that not only demands that other people respect them, but also pay them some special dues.

You are pointing to extreme Maga idiots. I don't have much love for them. Most people who vote republican like I said just cares about making more money, and not the issues you're mentioning.

I am against gay marriage, especially in church. That's like a jew who wants to become a nazi. What was so wrong about civil unions? And gays buying children through surrogacy is disgusting! I for one would not want to be without my mom and dad.

I am not saying there isn't gays who experience homophobia in the western world. All I am saying is that it is not the norm anymore. Many gays are using the term homophobia to play a victim and to shut up people they disagree with.

"Some degree of self hate is actually a good thing. It prevents me from acting like a total fool in the street with the rest of the turds during pride month I don't begrudge anyone having a party." You don't habe to go to one, I never have. But it's important to have one, because we've already been killed for what we are.

"I do however begrudge people who mistake their sexuality for some massively important signifier that not only demands that other people respect them, but also pay them some special dues." I don't think that sexuality is an important signifier on person's life, but this harmless part of who gay people are have been reason enough for us to be killed, frowned upon, belittled, called names, imprisoned, deprived from basic rights etc. It's not about a special due.

"I am not saying there isn't gays who experience homophobia in the western world. All I am saying is that it is not the norm anymore." Show more of your life for homophobes to see, and see how much acceptance they show you in the comment session.

"Many gays are using the term homophobia to play a victim and to shut up people they disagree with." I think that could be true, as life isn't always black or white.

 

[Muscleterf54]

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In 2024, the ACLU tracked 533anti-LGBTQ bills in the U.S.”​

“The FBI’s report noted that there were 2,402 recorded incidents relating to an alleged victim’s sexual orientation in 2023, up from 1,947 the year before, and 547 relating to an alleged victim’s gender identity, compared with 469 the year before. The gender identity category included 401 instances that were specifically anti-transgender and 146 that targeted someone who was gender nonconforming.”

Like I said. YOU are the lowest of the low.

Those numbers does not surprise me.

Has it occurred to you that many of those victims may have been vulgar people who couldn't keep their hands to themselves, and made a sexual move on straight guys first, and is therefore partially to blame? I bet that isn't counted for in that report. I have seen that happen many times. Thirsty gay guys's lack of respect for straight men and their personal space is a huge problem.

Or what about transgenders fooling drunk straight men to bed without telling them what they are?

 

[CrownB]

But I am unbothered by the christians portion of Trump supporters.
Most of them don't actually hate gays. They have just been convinced by religion that homosexuality is an abomination, and that it is their duty as Christians to reject it and warn their neighbour that their sin is taking them to hell. As ridiculous as that might sound to an atheist, from a christian perspective, it is a loving thing to do. I have only seen one conservative in the US advocating for death penalty for homosexuality. The old guard is about to die off. Many Trump voters are politically liberal but fiscally conservative too.

Lots of groups in this world hates each other. My Serbian friend has irrational hate for Albanians, and even spat at one in our younger years for no apparent reason. I hate large portions of plenty of groups too. I am not motivated to go out and take action against them though, and neither is most conservatives.

But that doesn't change that their views are harmful. You going out and doing something isn't the only way to harm a group. You can harm them with words, and some "harmless" actions you take. By the way, the "Old guard" reproduces and feed the next generation their wolrd view. From what I can see homophobia will take much more time to die off than what we want.

 

[CrownB]

Those numbers does not surprise me.

Has it occurred to you that many of those victims may have been vulgar people who couldn't keep their hands to themselves, and made a sexual move on straight guys first, and is therefore partially to blame? I bet that isn't counted for in that report. I have seen that happen many times. Thirsty gay guys's lack of respect for straight men and their personal space is a huge problem.

Or what about transgenders fooling drunk straight men to bed without telling them what they are?

I don't exclude that possibility, but do you think that in all of these cases they did what you think they did? Don't you think that some of these cases happened to gay men like you?

 

[Muscleterf54]

But that doesn't change that their views are harmful. You going out and doing something isn't the only way to harm a group. You can harm them with words, and some "harmless" actions you take. By the way, the "Old guard" reproduces and feed the next generation their wolrd view. From what I can see homophobia will take much more time to die off than what we want.

But they believe homosexuality is harmful, and even bring God's wrath upon the entire country, like Pharaoh in Moses's time. People have their views. Deal with it. As long as no laws are based upon religious nonsense, I don't care what the neighbor believes.

Christians seems to have a harder time indoctrinating children nowadays than before. Don't be so pessimistic

 

[Muscleterf54]

I don't exclude that possibility, but do you think that in all of these cases they did what you think they did? Don't you think that some of these cases happened to gay men like you?

No I don't think so, but I don't think the numbers are all that high either for a nation of 340 million people. The US also have a culture of idealizing violence, which makes the low numbers even more surprising.

 

[CrownB]

But they believe homosexuality is harmful, and even bring God's wrath upon the entire country, like Pharaoh in Moses's time. People have their views. Deal with it. As long as no laws are based upon religious nonsense, I don't care what the neighbor believes.

Christians seems to have a harder time indoctrinating children nowadays than before. Don't be so pessimistic

Based on what your neighbor believes he is going to choose the candidate that he thinks will best represent them and they're going to want their religious views influence legislation. Take a look around, religious bigots are thrilled about him being the president. It's like he's the new Messiah.

 

[CrownB]

No I don't think so, but I don't think the numbers are all that high either for a nation of 340 million people. The US also have a culture of idealizing violence, which makes the low numbers even more surprising.

That's chosen ignorance.

 

[Muscleterf54]

"Some degree of self hate is actually a good thing. It prevents me from acting like a total fool in the street with the rest of the turds during pride month I don't begrudge anyone having a party." You don't habe to go to one, I never have. But it's important to have one, because we've already been killed for what we are.

"I do however begrudge people who mistake their sexuality for some massively important signifier that not only demands that other people respect them, but also pay them some special dues." I don't think that sexuality is an important signifier on person's life, but this harmless part of who gay people are have been reason enough for us to be killed, frowned upon, belittled, called names, imprisoned, deprived from basic rights etc. It's not about a special due.

"I am not saying there isn't gays who experience homophobia in the western world. All I am saying is that it is not the norm anymore." Show more of your life for homophobes to see, and see how much acceptance they show you in the comment session.

"Many gays are using the term homophobia to play a victim and to shut up people they disagree with." I think that could be true, as life isn't always black or white.

Maybe one day, but not an entire month, and the kink crowd could celebrate in their fetish gear at a separted disclosed area after the march, where they should dress decently.

No, basic human rights are not special dues, but we already have basic human rights in the US...

Why should I show more of my life to homophobes? I think public displays of affection is cringy!

Glad we agree one something.

 

[Muscleterf54]

That's chosen ignorance.

Let's compare it to Russia or Nigeria. I am willing to accept some degree of conflict in this world. Absolute world peace is a delusion.

 

[CrownB]

Maybe one day, but not an entire month, and the kink crowd could celebrate in their fetish gear at a separted disclosed area after the march, where they should dress decently.

No, basic human rights are not special dues, but we already have basic human rights in the US...

Why should I show more of my life to homophobes? I think public displays of affection is cringy!

Glad we agree one something.

"Maybe one day, but not an entire month, and the kink crowd could celebrate in their fetish gear at a separted disclosed area after the march, where they should dress decently." I agree with that, I don't think it helps anybody.

"No, basic human rights are not special dues, but we already have basic human rights in the US..." But it wasn't always like this and there's always those who want to have it the way things once were. So there needs to be resistance, ways to show things can't go backwards and you can't do that based on their book.

"Why should I show more of my life to homophobes? I think public displays of affection is cringy!" You know what I mean. Not all heterosexuals like showing their lives and making public displays of affection, but those who do will never be frowned upon by anyone, unless they sex in public but that's totaly different. That is not true for gay couples. Gay couples have look like friends at best so that they're not harassed by people or have the shit beaten out of them.

 

[CousteauFish]

Where’s the last comment talking about filou and Skype? Is it more than a page away?

 

[Markus.Bittencourt]

What’s happening in this thread? No media only chatting for pages and pages. Damn

 

[Blue_rose24]

What’s happening in this thread? No media only chatting for pages and pages. Damn

I came here for media and all I get is pages of people talking a bunch of nonsense. Its porn it really isn't that serious.

 

[AxelRios]

The last five pages are just text

 

[beebo0]

Anyone has his “lives”?