Richard Madden (Robb Stark in GOT)

[Freddia]

Psycho Ikaris is my favorite Ikaris.

 

[lunaticsrus]

I was worried about chemistry when they revealed that Ikaris and Sersi were going to be romantically involved. Short of actually casting siblings to play a couple I don't think there's a better way to ensure poor chemistry than with decade+ besties in the roles. By comparison, even exes who despise each other can sometimes make that hatred look like a spark onscreen.

Yes, if there was a chemistry issue, it was that best friends maybe can't do that kind of chemistry. Richard has had plenty of chemistry with women on screen. But I also don't think the chemistry was as bad as some people, and I think people need to realize that they were essentially** spoiler alert ** robots so audiences weren't getting a bodice ripper, if that's what they were expecting.

And it's not just their chemistry some people are attacking, many people are saying Richard himself was wooden, but again spoiler alert he's playing a robot that through time develops emotionally. I blame the director. If you see Richard's other work he's a good actor.

 

[Freddia]

Yes, if there was a chemistry issue, it was that best friends maybe can't do that kind of chemistry. Richard has had plenty of chemistry with women on screen. But I also don't think the chemistry was as bad as some people, and I think people need to realize that they were essentially** spoiler alert ** robots so audiences weren't getting a bodice ripper, if that's what they were expecting.

And it's not just their chemistry some people are attacking, many people are saying Richard himself was wooden, but again spoiler alert he's playing a robot that through time develops emotionally. I blame the director. If you see Richard's other work he's a good actor.

Yeah, but the other characters are robots too and they do have a lot of chemistry, even Ikaris and Thena, when he is trying to calm her in one of her attacks and pinned her to the wall... more passion there than Ikaris and Sersi the entire movie... even Ikaris and Druig!!!! Richard did an amazing job, but he failed in that part.

 

[Freddia]

Do you guys know how smart I'm in spanish? What I'm trying to say is that Richard was amazing, but with all the other characters, not Gemma. His scene with Salma, and the end facing the Eternals were amazing!, but the problem was between Ikaris and Sersi, maybe some people loved the couple, but a big part of the public is shipping Gilgamesh and Thena, and Makkari and Druig (those actors improvised what we see in the movie, and they're a bigger ship than Ikaris and Sersi) I do think Gemma Chan was okay, she was pretty weak as lead woman, sorry, and Richard shared a lot of scenes with her. I understand all the story and the eternal love and 5000 years and bla bla, but I couldn't feel it, that's why I also thin that Ikaris's end scene was kind of stupid!! I want to see him back! At least that is my point of view.

 

[JCokell]

Can you post some of the pics inside?

OMG

 

[axelhonnie]

Ikaris is not the best, but he's interesting specially at the end when he has his own motivations and doesn't revolve around Sersi.

I’m sorry but I feel like you completely missed the point of his character bc everything he did in the movie was for Sersi. He was built to be a soldier and to protect humanity while Sersi was bulit to evolve humanity. He tried to assimilate with humans to be close to Sersi. They fell in love and stayed together for millenials until it tore him apart to lie to Sersi about their purpose so he left her. And at the end he went out of his programming, and betrayed Arishem bc he loved her and helped Sersi over his mission. He chose love which was a huge theme of the movie that when you love something you protect it. Its the most natural thing to do.

Also have to disagree with you on the lovely Gemma Chan. She wasn’t a weak leader or a weak actress bc her character never really saw herself as a leader. Tht also was basically like her whole character arc in the movie, her coming into terms with why Ajak specifically chose her to lead compared to someone like Ikaris or Thena when shes wasn’t as strong as Ikaris or fierce as Thena. Even the other eternals were suprised Ajak chose her. And I thought Gemma did an amazing job portraying Sersi.

 

[Freddia]

 

[Freddia]

I’m sorry but I feel like you completely missed the point of his character bc everything he did in the movie was for Sersi. He was built to be a soldier and to protect humanity while Sersi was bulit to evolve humanity. He tried to assimilate with humans to be close to Sersi. They fell in love and stayed together for millenials until it tore him apart to lie to Sersi about their purpose so he left her. And at the end he went out of his programming, and betrayed Arishem bc he loved her and helped Sersi over his mission. He chose love which was a huge theme of the movie that when you love something you protect it. Its the most natural thing to do.

Also have to disagree with you on the lovely Gemma Chan. She wasn’t a weak leader or a weak actress bc her character never really saw herself as a leader. Tht also was basically like her whole character arc in the movie, her coming into terms with why Ajak specifically chose her to lead compared to someone like Ikaris or Thena when shes wasn’t as strong as Ikaris or fierce as Thena. Even the other eternals were suprised Ajak chose her. And I thought Gemma did an amazing job portraying Sersi.

I perfectly understood everything that you are describing, but I COULDN'T FEEL IT, I couldn't believe it, they didn't cross the screen, I didn't believe that they loved each other for five thousand years.... and I'm not the only one, they weren't powerful enoght. Everybody are shipping Makkari and Druig, or Thena and Gilgamesh. And I'm not trashing the actors, they can't be perfect in every movie, and I still think Richard was great at the end, and Gemma was very weak. It's just MY opinion.

 

[zerodist]

I'm not trashing his work, I just think Ikaris and Sersi didn't have chemistry at all and they were easily overshadowed by the supporting characters. Richard was able to shine at the end of the movie.

There are a lot of layers to Richard's character character so I'm not sure if it would have been believable to have a lovely, dovey, relationship with Sersi after everything he did over the course of the film and technically before it.

**** SPOILERS KINDA ****

The others don't know the full extent of how stained he is but he does. When they find out, knowing the others would never trust him again and seeing what he ended up doing to all of them, he chose to do what he did at the end.

It wasn't like Sersi hadn't already moved on from him with Dane or like they could ever be together again. (And he had to of known that going into it when he went to find her to "check on her" at the beginning of the film.)

I just don't think it would have been possible to get the same interactions from them as the audience got from Makkari and Druig, Thena and Gilgamesh. Hell, even Kingo and his chauffer and Phastos and his husband seemed more intimately connected than those two did. However, those characters don't have Sersi/Ikaris' baggage.

He's basically playing Superman with an attitude and he already has trouble dealing with humanity. Sersi loves humans and is the opposite. That became more apparent when he decided to turn against humans but he already felt that way when he reappears.

They came across to me as two people who once cared for each other but grew apart and with that I think they both did a great job.

 

[axelhonnie]

I perfectly understood everything that you are describing, but I COULDN'T FEEL IT, I couldn't believe it, they didn't cross the screen, I didn't believe that they loved each other for five thousand years.... and I'm not the only one, they weren't powerful enoght. Everybody are shipping Makkari and Druig, or Thena and Gilgamesh. And I'm not trashing the actors, they can't be perfect in every movie, and I still think Richard was great at the end, and Gemma was very weak. It's just MY opinion.

Yeah I dont think you’re supposed to ship them. Their relationship wasn’t supposed to be the “fresh, fun, gives me butterflies” like Druig/Makkari or the deep “friendship” like Thena/Gilgamesh. Also when we meet them they had been broken up for centuries and Sersi was in a very loving relationship with Dane. Yeah they loved eachother but their relationship was also toxic and had a huge power imbalance so much so that Phastos had to chide Ikaris for always underestimating Sersi. Ikaris was jealous that Ajak chose her and said so to her face at the end and came this close to killing her. Like we are definitely not supposed to ship those two together.

And to each their own but I thought Gemma did an amazing job.

 

[Freddia]

Yeah I dont think you’re supposed to ship them. Their relationship wasn’t supposed to be the “fresh, fun, gives me butterflies” like Druig/Makkari or the deep “friendship” like Thena/Gilgamesh. Also when we meet them they had been broken up for centuries and Sersi was in a very loving relationship with Dane. Yeah they loved eachother but their relationship was also toxic and had a huge power imbalance so much so that Phastos had to chide Ikaris for always underestimating Sersi. Ikaris was jealous that Ajak chose her and said so to her face at the end and came this close to killing her. Like we are definitely not supposed to ship those two together.

And to each their own but I thought Gemma did an amazing job.

Agree, but you find every interview with Gemma and Richard talking about this very deep eternal love, intimacy, sex between superheroes (dear God, what?). I also thought it was a toxic relationship by the end (he abandoned her, then tried to kill her, and then killed himself), but it seems that it's not the vision of the actors and the director, which makes it even more confusing, they don't talk about Dane at all, that wasn't a love triangle (thank God)

 

[zerodist]

Agree, but you find every interview with Gemma and Richard talking about this very deep eternal love, intimacy, sex between superheroes (dear God, what?). I also thought it was a toxic relationship by the end (he abandoned her, then tried to kill her, and then killed himself), but it seems that it's not the vision of the actors and the director, which makes it even more confusing, they don't talk about Dane at all, that wasn't a love triangle (thank God)

You're right. I think the problem is Richard/Gemma were focusing on the "history" of their relationship and not necessarily on the present when they were talking about it in interviews.

Marvel also made a big deal about this being the first time a relationship was at the "center" of the story so I can imagine they were told to push that during interviews. I do think they were "eh?" compared to the other relationships in the movie but I also think that made sense.

Producer Nate Moore denied that there was a "love triangle" between Dane/Ikaris and Sersi months. So it was mostly focused on the past, sort of like "The Notebook" but not The Notebook. He said having Dane there was supposed to be more about Sersi having "options." Sersi and Dane were a HUGE thing in the comics for years but throwing him in there as a nod to establish him really came off like a blip in the scheme of things. I also wonder how much of them they cut out.

I doubt they're done with Richard in the Marvel films yet. It does make me wonder when we'll see him again since they have a ton of films lined up and tv shows and I just can't figure out where he as this character would fit in.

 

[lunaticsrus]

Yeah I dont think you’re supposed to ship them. Their relationship wasn’t supposed to be the “fresh, fun, gives me butterflies” like Druig/Makkari or the deep “friendship” like Thena/Gilgamesh. Also when we meet them they had been broken up for centuries and Sersi was in a very loving relationship with Dane. Yeah they loved eachother but their relationship was also toxic and had a huge power imbalance so much so that Phastos had to chide Ikaris for always underestimating Sersi. Ikaris was jealous that Ajak chose her and said so to her face at the end and came this close to killing her. Like we are definitely not supposed to ship those two together.

And to each their own but I thought Gemma did an amazing job.

There is nothing in the movie about their relationship being toxic. Phastos had some completely unexplained personal issue with Ikaris, him lashing out is not Sersi's words. The only thing Sersi said was she was hurt and didn't understand why he left. He left because Ajak burdened him with a truth he couldn't share and couldn't stand lying to Sersi.

He's not jealous Ajak chose Sersi, he feels betrayed that she burdened him with the truth for hundreds of years, forcing him to cut himself off from the only person loved and then at the last minute when his isolation can finally end she says lol these people should be saved unlike the billions I've helped kill before. Even Ajak admits she led Ikaris on the wrong path.

He couldn't kill Sersi, that's the point. He betrayed the belief system he was programmed to have for love.

But none of that means you're supposed to ship them.

 

[Freddia]

There is nothing in the movie about their relationship being toxic. Phastos had some completely unexplained personal issue with Ikaris, him lashing out is not Sersi's words. The only thing Sersi said was she was hurt and didn't understand why he left. He left because Ajak burdened him with a truth he couldn't share and couldn't stand lying to Sersi.

He's not jealous Ajak chose Sersi, he feels betrayed that she burdened him with the truth for hundreds of years, forcing him to cut himself off from the only person loved and then at the last minute when his isolation can finally end she says lol these people should be saved unlike the billions I've helped kill before. Even Ajak admits she led Ikaris on the wrong path.

He couldn't kill Sersi, that's the point. He betrayed the belief system he was programmed to have for love.

But none of that means you're supposed to ship them.

From the first moment they sold Eternals as the first movie to revolve around a love story. Gemma and Richard are giving interviews talking about the great love story ... hardly anyone could feel it. I understood it, I could understand the plot perfectly, but I couldn't feel it in my heart. When Gilgamesh died I was a flood of tears with Thena's pain, but when I saw the montage of the love between Ikaris and Sersi at the end I rolled my eyes and yawned. And that happens when actors have no chemistry, it happens sometimes.

 

[Matt12]

Ikaris and Sersi were beautiful and tragic. Lots of characters had great development and scenes. The movie was great!

 

[notamused]

i don’t think that’s funny but maybe that’s because I’m a Richard fan and I don’t get off on trashing his work.

How is that trashing his work? Relax

 

[Eli Hale]

 

[Freddia]

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[Chatterbox87]

This man could literally not get any more attractive

 

[Jason GayLight]

The 1% straight in me would like to have sex with Gemma as well.