So it's either gay or straight? No room for bisexuality or pansexuality?

[ANYHONYK]

Yes and? What about my thoughts made you say this? I am honestly trying to understand what you’re saying or getting at.

Good night

 

[ANYHONYK]

Yes and? What about my thoughts made you say this? I am honestly trying to understand what you’re saying or getting at.

Love your page btw

 

[boysdoboys]

While I understand this, and have personally seen the hatred I'd like to offer something that upsets some gay guys if they get with a bi man.

I'm 22, and really was attracted to this bisexual guy. I have been trying to get a job so I could save money and go see him, as he's still in the states as am I.
He's made it very clear though that he wants to marry a woman. He doesn't want to date men, only get off with them. He wants a family.

Slowly after this, he starts talking less and less. Now in February, there goes weeks and weeks of no response from him. The last time he sent a picture/video, it was another guy sucking him off.

He has a girlfriend now. I'm happy for him, I really am. But I hate to think I was just a reason to get off.
I want to be his friend, I've mentioned tons of times that I wanted to talk more even if not pictures.

I care about him a lot, and I hope he's doing good. But it seems like this happens a lot with gay men when they are involved with bisexual men

 

[chrisrobin]

The queer community has fought tirelessly for the rights and freedoms we enjoy today. From marriage equality to the ability to live authentically without fear of persecution, the progress we've made has been hard-won. We’ve earned spaces where we can share, talk, and even debate openly about our experiences with sexuality and identity.
However those victories are short lived because in the USA equality has now gone to the wall.

 

[WilliamG]

I'm 22, and really was attracted to this bisexual guy. I have been trying to get a job so I could save money and go see him, as he's still in the states as am I.
He's made it very clear though that he wants to marry a woman. He doesn't want to date men, only get off with them. He wants a family.

Slowly after this, he starts talking less and less. Now in February, there goes weeks and weeks of no response from him. The last time he sent a picture/video, it was another guy sucking him off.

He made it very clear. There are lots of bi men (like myself) that are in it purely for the sexual release. You are still young and still impressionable. So when he says that... believe it. At least he was being honest with you. No one should be upset or have hate if it's up front. It happens all the time in the straight world as well. Now surely this can be disappointing... But that's part of life. Move on and live life. There will be more experiences ahead.

 

[BIGBULL29]

Human feelings are so complicated. It's strange that we try to capture and label complicated emotions in neat boxes. Human emotions are not a Zen meditation room, but rather a picture of an atomic explosion,

I like male strippers, lesbian porn, eating out pussy, big dick comparison...

All I can tell you is that I seem to have zero interest in transsexual women. LOL.

It's too complicated to express my true sexual feelings, for the most part.

We're constantly forced to believe that we're all this, or we're all that. But that's not how human emotions are. Now, there are men and women who like exclusively one gender for sex. There sexualities are little less complicated, but still complicated when you include their sexual fantasies which they will never act upon.

Interestingly, we're told in our culture that it is women who are more likely to be bisexual --- not men. But a lot of women who play bisexual in porn are just pretending for money. I think bisexuality is way more common among men, if you consider men's natural tastes in porn (men can get a boner from a wall). I also think "gay-for-pay" with males should be considered differently than it is for straight women who engage in lesbian sex on camera for men's pleasure.

More straight men are more curious than eve, and are willing to admit a little gay side now

Just my ideas...

 

[Beachboiethan]

Human feelings are so complicated. It's strange that we try to capture and label complicated emotions in neat boxes. Human emotions are not a Zen meditation room, but rather a picture of an atomic explosion,

I like male strippers, lesbian porn, eating out pussy, big dick comparison...

All I can tell you is that I seem to have zero interest in transsexual women. LOL.

It's too complicated to express my true sexual feelings, for the most part.

We're constantly forced to believe that we're all this, or we're all that. But that's not how human emotions are. Now, there are men and women who like exclusively one gender for sex. There sexualities are little less complicated, but still complicated when you include their sexual fantasies which they will never act upon.

Interestingly, we're told in our culture that it is women who are more likely to be bisexual --- not men. But a lot of women who play bisexual in porn are just pretending for money. I think bisexuality is way more common among men, if you consider men's natural tastes in porn (men can get a boner from a wall). I also think "gay-for-pay" with males should be considered differently than it is for straight women who engage in lesbian sex on camera for men's pleasure.

More straight men are more curious than eve, and are willing to admit a little gay side now

Just my ideas...

All very good points.

 

[BIGBULL29]

All very good points.

Thank you, buddy.

 

[bigboaster]

I also think "gay-for-pay" with males should be considered differently than it is for straight women who engage in lesbian sex on camera for men's pleasure.

uh... why?

 

[BIGBULL29]

uh... why?

Women can fake bisexuality much more easily than men. First of all, the straight porn world accepts that women can be bisexual, unlike men (male bisexuality is a bit more acceptable in straight porn but not by much). Women, thus, are not fighting a taboo factor.

Second, women's bodies don't show such overt signs of arousal like a man's. Yeah, a woman's pussy can get super wet, but this is not noticeable like a man's boner. Men have to have a little attraction to gay sex to be involved in it, especially on repeated basis.

Just my two cents...

Take care.

 

[jln89]

Things won't change until you can talk civily and listen. You also have to be prepared to learn that some people will still be a "no" in dating bi men. At the end of the day, it's them who have to live with their own fears and then possibly deal with the pain if it goes wrong. It won't change overnight, but if you can start there, then slowly, you will see fewer people being not as afraid to come out or give you a chance at relationships. Rejection is in everyone's life, and we all have to find ways in how to deal with those as adults, which i admit i don't always do myself. Labels are also used in our everyday language because they don't only help people to stand out from others, but they bring people together from similar groups that can have similar issues. They are mostly there to help prevent feelings from being hurt or worse. Labels can be taken away, and we still would use descriptions for people in our heads. Not everyone in life is as kind and understanding, and not everyone will want you or who you will find that you will want them. The next hope after that is that the person handles your advance or rejection like a sane person should do. Preventing negative situations before they occur is helpful, though, so that's why labels still get used and probably won't go anywhere unless we stop all communication and dating. There are reasons, and some are irrational but not to them. I think if they don't come from a place of malice and disrespect and this person is someone who wants to have a respectful, and civil discussion with you then that's where the first steps need to be taken. Make a bet that you won't use any phobic label that will have them sharpening pitch forks until you're 4 mins into a conversation . So ask if you wish, but things won't change just from it feeling like it is the right thing to do and because you want it to change.

Also, please don't ever go with women because you want a child. It's insulting. I hope that can bring any gay man, who was left for this reason, some comfort in knowing that the person wanted you for you and not because of what you could give him or do for him. All the risks were worth it to them. The burden of having "perks" to lose when they are with women is that you will never know fully what they want.

 

[Urien]

The queer community has fought tirelessly for the rights and freedoms we enjoy today.

Not Queer. The people who fought those fights would in all likelihood never want to be referred to as Queer. That is A SLUR.

It was the LGBT and by T I mean OG T. Not to be confused with a 50 year old straight man who wants to play dress up, or a 15 year old straight girl with purple hair who is collecting pronouns like Pokemons.

As I said never Queer. And don't forget that.

All these intrusive "identities" are just there to muddy the water and do not represent us. Like "pansexuality", what a joke. It's in the name - panSEXuality. No need for fake nuance.

 

[borg1125]

Human feelings are so complicated. It's strange that we try to capture and label complicated emotions in neat boxes. Human emotions are not a Zen meditation room, but rather a picture of an atomic explosion,

I like male strippers, lesbian porn, eating out pussy, big dick comparison...

All I can tell you is that I seem to have zero interest in transsexual women. LOL.

It's too complicated to express my true sexual feelings, for the most part.

We're constantly forced to believe that we're all this, or we're all that. But that's not how human emotions are. Now, there are men and women who like exclusively one gender for sex. There sexualities are little less complicated, but still complicated when you include their sexual fantasies which they will never act upon.

Interestingly, we're told in our culture that it is women who are more likely to be bisexual --- not men. But a lot of women who play bisexual in porn are just pretending for money. I think bisexuality is way more common among men, if you consider men's natural tastes in porn (men can get a boner from a wall). I also think "gay-for-pay" with males should be considered differently than it is for straight women who engage in lesbian sex on camera for men's pleasure.

More straight men are more curious than eve, and are willing to admit a little gay side now

Just my ideas...

Humans love having things packed up and tagged for easy stupid reference. They don't want to think too hard about anything. Give them a label they demand that's not in the common lexicon they'll immediately declare it invalid and box it up and brand it to what they feel it should be. Straight or gay and bisexuality is just the highway to being gay. So now we really only have two orientations. I guess you could call that progress as just 50 years ago it was just straight or gay/sick.

 

[BIGBULL29]

Humans love having things packed up and tagged for easy stupid reference. They don't want to think too hard about anything. Give them a label they demand that's not in the common lexicon they'll immediately declare it invalid and box it up and brand it to what they feel it should be. Straight or gay and bisexuality is just the highway to being gay. So now we really only have two orientations. I guess you could call that progress as just 50 years ago it was just straight or gay/sick.

Absolutely, buddy

Take care

 

[chrisrobin]

Not Queer. The people who fought those fights would in all likelihood never want to be referred to as Queer. That is A SLUR.

It was the LGBT and by T I mean OG T. Not to be confused with a 50 year old straight man who wants to play dress up, or a 15 year old straight girl with purple hair who is collecting pronouns like Pokemons.

As I said never Queer. And don't forget that.

All these intrusive "identities" are just there to muddy the water and do not represent us. Like "pansexuality", what a joke. It's in the name - panSEXuality. No need for fake nuance.

My reference was towards the usa where all rights will be abolished and discrimination allowed to run riot.

 

[Urien]

My reference was towards the usa where all rights will be abolished and discrimination allowed to run riot.

Yeah that's not gonna happen either. Not allowing Trans women in female sports is not a "right" that is being abolished for example. Let's keep our feet on the ground here. When we fought for our rights we fought to be accepted and integrated into society, not to become separate and better. We don't need or want preferential treatment, we just want to live in peace.

Some of the modern "queer activists" don't understand this and they will in time be ostracized from both gay and straight society. In the US, many government websites have already dropped the "TQIA+" and any reference to other "genders". They refer to us now as "LGB" only.

This is only the beginning of the reversals of the last 8-10 year nightmare.

 

[Urien]

Humans love having things packed up and tagged for easy stupid reference.

Perhaps, but that's not a bad thing.

Humor me and let's say you like eating fruits. Then a bunch of people like you come together and call yourselves "Fruit Eaters". A couple of years later, there are more of you and you've refined your little lifestyle and have now created a fruitarian diet.
Some of you also start calling yourselves "Frugivore" to best describe your lifestyle. Then it starts to get really weird.

A small group of you start insisting that they were born Frugivores despite their canines and anatomy. An even smaller group of you starts developing specific names like "Noctofrugivore" since they identify as "fruit eaters at night only" to align with their "ancestors". And so on and so forth, until there are about 15 variations of Fruit-Eaters. Each more exotic and fantastic than the one before.

Now me, as a "cis-Frugivore" as they started calling me, don't want to deal with any of this. To me, you're just men and women that enjoy eating fruit a little or a lot more than me. I wish you well, but I don't have to deal with this jargon.

More importantly, it's a waste of my time, and if it isn't you have to prove to me how it isn't in a way that makes it practical and in my interest. Unnecessary things that are not founded on reality do not appeal to me.

"Pansexuality" is just a circuitous way to say Bisexual. "Sapiosexual"? Please, that's just a pseudo-intellectual way of saying you won't whore yourself out for a guy without a deep conversation or two first. Most "Sexualities" that are not LGB are circuitous in fact.

The worst part of this, is that all these new sexualities/genders want to be awesome by association with the LGB, FOR FREE mind you and as of recently to the detriment of the standing of LGB in societies all over the world. It's not right.

 

[Wingman11]

There will always close-minded people out there. I understand how frustrating it can be to deal with people who identify as solely homosexual who also push for equality and understanding of their sexuality, just to have them turn around and be completely unsupportive when you point out that your sexuality is more complicated.

Also most of the posters on here are horny and are moreso lust-focused than seeking truth. There are some posters on here who completely disrespect heterosexuality, for example. I come here to look at photos while bored then log out.

 

[borg1125]

Perhaps, but that's not a bad thing.

When has dumbing things down ever worked out? Being more accurate and more precise is never a bad thing. Being open to new knowledge and understandings is progress. Discouting and dismissing someone's orientation is not a good thing. What harm is it to you if they call themselves whatever they want?

 

[Urien]

When has dumbing things down ever worked out? Being more accurate and more precise is never a bad thing. Being open to new knowledge and understandings is progress. Discouting and dismissing someone's orientation is not a good thing. What harm is it to you if they call themselves whatever they want?

I love precision in language which is exactly why I know a lot about this subject matter - all the better to fight it off when it pops up. This is because I prefer to honor reality by remaining grounded and sober in my thinking. Most people are like this but they are not as verbose.

Precision demands evidence based in reality. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

If you are imposing a new idea, the burden of proof lies on you. And yes, I am afraid how people "feel" is not reliable and rarely quantifiable.

You can still use this "precise" language as you call it within your enclaves in societies. But to expect it to become the standard in the mainstream, to expect to form the basis of policy and LAW without first surviving being scrutinized and vetted is preposterous.