So it's either gay or straight? No room for bisexuality or pansexuality?

[borg1125]

There will always close-minded people out there. I understand how frustrating it can be to deal with people who identify as solely homosexual who also push for equality and understanding of their sexuality, just to have them turn around and be completely unsupportive when you point out that your sexuality is more complicated.

Yes a desire to shut it down......

I love precision in language which is exactly why I know a lot about this subject matter - all the better to fight it off when it pops up. This is because I prefer to honor reality by remaining grounded and sober in my thinking. Most people are like this but they are not as verbose.

Precision demands evidence based in reality. That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

If you are imposing a new idea, the burden of proof lies on you. And yes, I am afraid how people "feel" is not reliable and rarely quantifiable.

You can still use this "precise" language as you call it within your enclaves in societies. But to expect it to become the standard in the mainstream, to expect to form the basis of policy and LAW without first surviving being scrutinized and vetted is preposterous.

LOL. Scrutinized by who? You? What exactly are your qualifications in human sexuality?

 

[Urien]

Yes a desire to shut it down......

LOL. Scrutinized by who? You? What exactly are your qualifications in human sexuality?

We have identified irrevocably 2 human sexes - defined by their gametes and chromosomes. Sex is a physical act. Human sexuality is sex between the sexes of the human species. The possible variations are 3, 4 if you want to include the negative Asexuality.

Do I need to be a Rocket Scientist to know what a rocket is? No. I just need a working brain and eyes. But lucky for me, this nonsense has been scrutinized by career scientists and experts, and we happen to agree on the same conclusions.

So enough of your word gymnastics. Have a seat.

 

[Beachboiethan]

As the original poster of this thread I find it interesting to see where this thread has gone. It’s interesting to see the different interpretations of what I posted.

It’s gotten a lot deeper than I expected and on a whole other level that wasn’t what I intended. But I am enjoying reading everyone’s comments and thoughts.

Simply put my original post was more about reading and hearing gay men (my experience) say that a bisexual man needs to choose - either gay or straight. It’s that kind of thinking that I think needs to change. It’s less to do with labels and more in just accepting other people as they are. You don’t need to understand it.

Personally I don’t understand the struggles of a trans person. I’d be wrong to minimize their struggles and identity. Or to say that they have only become trans because they are or have become intimate with another trans person.

Comments like this - “I 100% blame his ex for turning him straight!” or “I think most of us have know a gay guy (out or not) who “turned” straight for whatever reason, and that it doesn’t turn out well. There are lots of gay guys who marry women and breed with them in hopes of becoming “normal” to please their families and friends, and there’s no way they’re happy.
Models name is obviously gay, even his girlfriend must know that he gets it on with a guy(s), and some females are actually okay with this. My guess is that it’s an open relationship, she likely has a boyfriend or girlfriend on the side. But no matter how hard he might try to convince himself that he’s straight, he’s going to REALLY miss having a big beautiful dick to suck on.”

These comments are from this site and are common place and in my opinion delegitimization bisexuality. Why can’t people just accept that some of us like tacos as much as eggplant/aubergine? But I think we can all agree there’s nothing like a nice juicy peach.

 

[borg1125]

We have identified irrevocably 2 human sexes - defined by their gametes and chromosomes. Sex is a physical act. Human sexuality is sex between the sexes of the human species. The possible variations are 3, 4 if you want to include the negative Asexuality.

Do I need to be a Rocket Scientist to know what a rocket is? No. I just need a working brain and eyes. But lucky for me, this nonsense has been scrutinized by career scientists and experts, and we happen to agree on the same conclusions.

So enough of your word gymnastics. Have a seat.

So to answer my question you have zero or close to it in terms of expertise in human sexuality.

Some readings for you from experts:

Pansexuality: What It Means
Sexual identity is unique and deeply personal and unique to each individual, but pansexuality generally means that your attraction isn't based on generally.

What People Should Understand About Pansexuality

Something can be true whether you believe it or not.

 

[Urien]

What's next you're gonna tell me the Earth is flat?

 

[borg1125]

What's next you're gonna tell me the Earth is flat?

It is you Skippy who wishes to deny people their existence. That never works but war is war and we have to snuff them out right?

 

[Urien]

It is you Skippy who wishes to deny people their existence. That never works but war is war and we have to snuff them out right?

War? Snuff people out? I don't know of these things. However, if you are accusing me of killing people or inciting the death of people, I will fucking report your ass. Cut that shit out at once. Either have a conversation proper or shut it.

 

[BIGBULL29]

When has dumbing things down ever worked out? Being more accurate and more precise is never a bad thing. Being open to new knowledge and understandings is progress. Discouting and dismissing someone's orientation is not a good thing. What harm is it to you if they call themselves whatever they want?

I can't enjoy a hot male stripper and like good pussy/watching lesbian sex at the same. Society says no. But cultural beliefs don't match sexual reality on the ground. Total disconnect.

 

[borg1125]

War? Snuff people out? I don't know of these things. However, if you are accusing me of killing people or inciting the death of people, I will fucking report your ass. Cut that shit out at once. Either have a conversation proper or shut it.

Ok it's clear or it should be to anyone with an ounce of sense I'm talking about denying that pansexual people exist and shoving them into your slots. They exist whether you approve or acknowledge.

 

[Urien]

I'm not stopping you from calling them pansexual nor do I deny that such humans that refer to themselves as pansexual exist. But I will continue calling them bisexual because there are only 2 sexes, and we are talking about sex. I like to be precise with my language.

If you want to inject feelings into it find another word that doesn't end with sex or sexual. Like "Panamorous", "Panromantic" or "Panphiliac" because it sure as hell is not a "sexuality" in the denotational sense of the word.

 

[borg1125]

 

[Beachboiethan]

I'm not stopping you from calling them pansexual nor do I deny that such humans that refer to themselves as pansexual exist. But I will continue calling them bisexual because there are only 2 sexes, and we are talking about sex. I like to be precise with my language.

If you want to inject feelings into it find another word that doesn't end with sex or sexual. Like "Panamorous", "Panromantic" or "Panphiliac" because it sure as hell is not a "sexuality" in the denotational sense of the word.

I am not trying to be argumentative I say that so you understand my tone is truly wanting to know and understand your point of view.

Where is the harm in just accepting it and using the term that that person prefers? I don’t have to understand it to just respect it. Also, and I am not accusing you of this, I am speaking in generalities. If this is a binary thing that one doesn’t accept why the need to voice it?

And I am not talking about in this thread as the question was asked and so dialogue is required to understand learn and grow.

As I said- genuinely would like to understand your perspective.

 

[borg1125]

Whatever the naysayers we are moving forward and not going back.

 

[Sapika]

There will always close-minded people out there. I understand how frustrating it can be to deal with people who identify as solely homosexual who also push for equality and understanding of their sexuality, just to have them turn around and be completely unsupportive when you point out that your sexuality is more complicated.

Also most of the posters on here are horny and are moreso lust-focused than seeking truth. There are some posters on here who completely disrespect heterosexuality, for example. I come here to look at photos while bored then log out.

I agree with you, but there is no discrimination against heterosexuals.

 

[Urien]

As I said- genuinely would like to understand your perspective.

I can accept it in all matters except science, language, and law. I'm not a mean person, all the trans people in my life I've only ever treated with dignity and respect.

I am not one to go out of my way to hurt others or not be considerate of their feelings. On the contrary, I am often too far the other direction.

But the way I approach these things is the same way I approach a person's religion. Respectfully with the caveat that you don't infringe on me or our shared reality.

Pansexuality is not supported by science (Judith Butler is not a scientist), and is not a viable source for law. It is IMHO as much a sexuality as Metrosexuality, that is to say it is not.

I consider any idea thoughtfully (Geminis represent) but it doesn't mean I accept it as true.

I used to be more apathetic about such matters but I saw what happens when apathy goes too far. You have people condemning Ru Paul for saying "Sh****e" and you have "Queer activists" coming after gays and lesbians for believing firmly in human biology.

None of that anymore. It's time to put things in their place, cross our Ts and dot every "i". Tolerance has limits and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Lala land.

You can call yourself as you wish, and socially I will 99% play along and embrace you. However once that line is crossed - you know the one, when you try to compel my speech legally, or potentially endanger women and children - I will always side with the truth!

As comforting as delusions can be in all their forms, they cannot be used determine our shared reality.

LGB is a physical phenomenon documented in hundreds of mammals and supported by science. There is no actual equivalence between it and any of this other nonsense tbf.

If you believe otherwise, then by all means provide the physical evidence required. Provide the reason why human sexuality (LGBH), a physical descriptor, needs to now accommodate very personal feeling and respectfully, mental delusions.

Trust me if the evidence is convincing and scientifically sound, most people including myself will accept it and adapt. Until then, we keep it simple. Life already can be so complicated and hard, no need to make it worse if we don't need to.

 

[Urien]

Whatever the naysayers we are moving forward and not going back.

By all means go for it. Fly your freak flag and live your best life. I am not being sarcastic.


But don't come asking the LGB to add a P one day, I will fight your idea then even if I only have love for you.

 

[Beachboiethan]

I can accept it in all matters except science, language, and law. I'm not a mean person, all the trans people in my life I've only ever treated with dignity and respect.

I am not one to go out of my way to hurt others or not be considerate of their feelings. On the contrary, I am often too far the other direction.

But the way I approach these things is the same way I approach a person's religion. Respectfully with the caveat that you don't infringe on me or our shared reality.

Pansexuality is not supported by science (Judith Butler is not a scientist), and is not a viable source for law. It is IMHO as much a sexuality as Metrosexuality, that is to say it is not.

I consider any idea thoughtfully (Geminis represent) but it doesn't mean I accept it as true.

I used to be more apathetic about such matters but I saw what happens when apathy goes too far. You have people condemning Ru Paul for saying "Sh****e" and you have "Queer activists" coming after gays and lesbians for believing firmly in human biology.

None of that anymore. It's time to put things in their place, cross our Ts and dot every "i". Tolerance has limits and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in Lala land.

You can call yourself as you wish, and socially I will 99% play along and embrace you. However once that line is crossed - you know the one, when you try to compel my speech legally, or potentially endanger women and children - I will always side with the truth!

As comforting as delusions can be in all their forms, they cannot be used determine our shared reality.

LGB is a physical phenomenon documented in hundreds of mammals and supported by science. There is no actual equivalence between it and any of this other nonsense tbf.

If you believe otherwise, then by all means provide the physical evidence required. Provide the reason why human sexuality (LGBH), a physical descriptor, needs to now accommodate very personal feeling and respectfully, mental delusions.

Trust me if the evidence is convincing and scientifically sound, most people including myself will accept it and adapt. Until then, we keep it simple. Life already can be so complicated and hard, no need to make it worse if we don't need to.

Interesting. I appreciate your thoughts and I understand where you are coming from. I found myself thinking more about things last night after I had posted my reply to you. I do understand if you look at things from a strictly biological and scientific perspective.

For me, I have viewed pansexuality as a person that is attracted to people regardless of they present or their genitals. I assume this became more common as more trans people began to come out. I know that some gay men may find a trans-man attractive from a masculine perspective, they aren't attracted to their genitalia. While other gay men, are attracted to them a person who present as male, but still has a vagina.

I struggle with understanding and using pronouns. It's just not something I grew up with. I also don't understand why people choose them, or why it is so offensive when they are miss gendered. I don't get it, but I try to respect it.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. As I said in an earlier post on here, this thread has gone in a different direction than I thought it would.

 

[borg1125]

By all means go for it. Fly your freak flag and live your best life. I am not being sarcastic.


But don't come asking the LGB to add a P one day, I will fight your idea then even if I only have love for you.

LMAO. You at a Gay Pride Event yelling freak at someone meanwhile straights all over the world looking at YOU thinking freak! Oh the irony.

 

[Urien]

LMAO. You at a Gay Pride Event yelling freak at someone meanwhile straights all over the world looking at YOU thinking freak! Oh the irony.

You literally just created an entire imaginary scenario from your head to try to insult me. It's pathetic. Pathetic and weak. Try harder.

And Gay Pride? For real? I would never bother with such events. How plebeian!

 

[borg1125]

You literally just created an entire imaginary scenario from your head to try to insult me. It's pathetic. Pathetic and weak. Try harder.

And Gay Pride? For real? I would never bother with such events. How plebeian!

Gawd how old are you? Can you “literally” stay focused on the subject matter? It’s already established you have little to no expertise on sexual orientation and what being pansexual is or bisexual is. And apparently like it that way. And with that continue declaring people’s orientation with little to no access to their thoughts, feelings and behaviors. They won’t give a shit.