The Most Important Penis Size Study Ever Done!!!!

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Hey guys - I'm surprised this isn't being discussed here, but this may explain why some guys (like me) think the average penis size of 5.3 or whatever is BS and say it is at least 6 (I honestly think it is more), but apparently over the last 30 years erect penis size has GROWN approximately 24%! I'm thinking maybe some of us younger guys laugh at the 5.3 inch average because for us this is not what we've encountered, whereas if you are older, maybe that was your reality. This isn't some podunk study - it was done by STANFORD. Thoughts?

“Erect penile length is getting longer, from an average of 4.8 to 6 inches, over the past 29 years,” Eisenberg said." is a quote from the article. Link to an article and the study below:

Average penis length has grown in 30 years — doctors call it ‘concerning’

Average Erect Penis Length Has Increased 24 Percent and Scientists Have No Idea Why, Study Suggests

STANFORD link: https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2023/02/14/is-an-increase-in-penile-length-cause-for-concern/

Actual study: https://wjmh.org/search.php?where=aview&id=10.5534/wjmh.220203&code=2074WJMH&vmode=FULL
 
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I'm very skeptical. It all sounds so formal and they went crazy with statistics without testing to see if it's actually good science, i.e., is it described well enough that anyone could duplicate the study and get the same results. And puzzle me this: why was there essentially no change over the years with "volunteers" who "spontaneously" achieved an erection. I'd love to hear the speculation about that! Although this was published in what I will assume is a journal with a reputation, it could well be a study using "cherry-picked" data - and intended to create a lot of stir and smiles. It's been done before in medical journals.
 
Horseshit.
Bolloks.
Most studies (peer reviewed) point in the opposite direction.
The amount of plastic and toxins in our diet is having negative effects on all life on this planet.
And not like spider man and the hulk.
Toxins kills, not make stronger.
 
I doubt anyone here can spot the difference between 5.3 and 6 inches.

Also question the validity of this study as dozens of studies have shown the opposite is true due to western lifestyle and diet changes increasing estrogen in men.
 
It was pointed out to me that this article was published on Valentine’s day, and in USA Today, so odds are it’s supposed to be tongue-in-cheek.

Unfortunately, I doubt it. NY Post,et al. are all the same people who unleashed Jonah Falcon on us. You can sort of figure what their angle is.

What's the deal on this anyhow (seems kind of small)? :

Studies were considered eligible if the quantitative measurement of penis size was measured by an investigator, the sample included ≥10 participants,
 
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Hey guys - I'm surprised this isn't being discussed here, but this may explain why some guys (like me) think the average penis size of 5.3 or whatever is BS and say it is at least 6 (I honestly think it is more), but apparently over the last 30 years erect penis size has GROWN approximately 24%! I'm thinking maybe some of us younger guys laugh at the 5.3 inch average because for us this is not what we've encountered, whereas if you are older, maybe that was your reality. This isn't some podunk study - it was done by STANFORD. Thoughts?

“Erect penile length is getting longer, from an average of 4.8 to 6 inches, over the past 29 years,” Eisenberg said." is a quote from the article. Link to an article and the study below:

Average penis length has grown in 30 years — doctors call it ‘concerning’

Average Erect Penis Length Has Increased 24 Percent and Scientists Have No Idea Why, Study Suggests

STANFORD link: https://scopeblog.stanford.edu/2023/02/14/is-an-increase-in-penile-length-cause-for-concern/

Actual study: https://wjmh.org/search.php?where=aview&id=10.5534/wjmh.220203&code=2074WJMH&vmode=FULL
Not sure if this is accurate I'm 57 and studies I saw in my early 20s had the average size at 6 inches also. So maybe I am missing something.
 
-Differences in measurement techniques, perhaps before it was not considered to push the ruler up to the pelvic bone.

-Sexual selection.

-People migrating from places where penises are bigger.

- The high availability of pornographic material is leading to over-masturbation and therefore, over the years, giving rise to a kind of hypertrophy of the penis.

-The significant reduction of smoking among young people.

-Early onset puberty

-And last hormone altering chemicals.

Horseshit.
Bolloks.
Most studies (peer reviewed) point in the opposite direction.
The amount of plastic and toxins in our diet is having negative effects on all life on this planet.
And not like spider man and the hulk.
Toxins kills, not make stronger.
Hormone disruptions can hit both ways, you can grow to 8 feet tall and is not necessary a good thing or have early puberty and have larger genitals than your peers, also not necessary a good thing either.
 
This is what happens when self-declared popular media "journalists" report in a frenzy about a scientific paper they think their readers will find titillating, and then the internet multiples this by 1000x.

The penis-lengthening-trend study in question was published on Valentine's day, and the Stanford press release on the same day includes a picture of a tape measure worthy of Cosmopolitan Magazine. This has led me to wonder if the study is a hoax, or at least tongue-in-cheek, in the style of an April Fool's article (see my conclusion at the end). But even if real, the data contains an interesting inconsistency. Understand that the authors made no measurements, but simply reviewed results published by 75 others from 1942 to 2021, that is, over the last 81 years. However, they do not report the data trend over this whole 81 years period in the sensational headline, but compare a point in the middle, 29 years ago, with current data. Look at some of the points they didn't mention in the headline:
  • Kinsey Study (data taken 1948 but not published until later), 75 years ago: Average length 6.21 inches
  • Claimed average length 29 years ago, Stanford paper: 4.8 inches
  • Ansel/Lifestyles Condom study (2001) 22 years ago: average length 5.9 inches
  • Claimed average length today, Stanford paper: 6 inches
So, one could argue the penis has shrunken 3% over the last 75 years, from 6.21 to 6.0. Or did men shrink 23% between 1948 and 1994, and then grow most of it back? Or, has there been just a 1.7% growth over the past 22 years (5.9 to 6.0)? Was there a sudden groth spurt from 4.8 to 5.9 inches (+23%) in just 7 years? Or has it always been around 6 inches, and 4.8 is in error? Etc...

Kinsey's data has often been criticized because it was self-measured, and, well, men do find ways to exaggerate. But at least Kinsey had his subjects hard for the measurement, and requested them to do it on top-- many modern studies estimate probable erect length from a stretched-flaccid measurement. And many recent studies also rely on self-measurement. But even clinical measurement is fraught with variables...measure on top or on the side? Fat pad? Curvature? Etc.? There is also the question of who got measured. For example, some studies were done on soldiers, who may have less fat pad than the average joe. Since the studies were voluntary, there is the question of "Volunteer Bias," that is, men who believe they are hung may be more likely to sign up to whip it out and be measured that someone who feels insecure about a small penis. The Ansel/LifeStyles study was done with 400 young men on spring break at a club in Cancun, measured by nurses, and with actual erections. Fully 25% of them had to be excluded because they couldn't get it up, not surprising given spring break alcohol consumption. But were the other 75% at full mast? Would they have measured an average of 6.0 or 6.2 under more sober circumstances? So, subtle differences in how a particular study is conducted can skew the results, particularly when the studies are performed decades apart.

The reported data over the years is full of hills and valleys. If you pick two points of your choosing, you can claim almost anything, as I did above. Because the various studies were conducted in different ways, it is hard to determine how to aggregate and average them. But for decades, there has been an argument back and forth: one group seems to cluster around 5 inches, and the other around 6. The authors of the Ansel/LifeStyles study linked above point this out in their conclusions, and attribute the difference to self-measurement (6ish) to clinical measurement (5ish), but put the exaggeration as more like half an inch, not a full inch. But curiously, Ansel's own clinical measuments come out at 5.877, nearly the 6 inches they attribute to self-measurement.

There is a lot of current research that points to alarming drops in male fertility in the industrialized world, based on sperm counts, motility, and other sperm quality measures. Some of these researchers actually mention a shrinking trend in penis size, contrary to the Stanford paper. On the other hand, one could argue that given declining sperm quality, a long penis would be favored, as it can make the most of such sperm as it has, by delivering it closer to where it counts. But as 29 years is barely one human generation, such a section process, if possible, has not had enough time to develop.

Early in my career, when I worked in analytical chemistry, prestigious journals occasionally published papers that were terrible science (and the editors knew it), but were amusing because they dealt with sex, and provided some levity in an otherwise dry field. Given the Valentine's Day publication date, I'll assume the Stanford paper was another of these.
 
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This is what happens when self-declared popular media "journalists" report in a frenzy about a scientific paper they think their readers will find titillating, and then the internet multiples this by 1000x.

The penis-lengthening-trend study in question was published on Valentine's day, and the Stanford press release on the same day includes a picture of a tape measure worthy of Cosmopolitan Magazine. This has led me to wonder if the study is a hoax, or at least tongue-in-cheek, in the style of an April Fool's article (see my conclusion at the end). But even if real, the data contains an interesting inconsistency. Understand that the authors made no measurements, but simply reviewed results published by 75 others from 1942 to 2021, that is, over the last 81 years. However, they do not report the data trend over this whole 81 years period in the sensational headline, but compare a point in the middle, 29 years ago, with current data. Look at some of the points they didn't mention in the headline:
  • Kinsey Study (data taken 1948 but not published until later), 75 years ago: Average length 6.21 inches
  • Claimed average length 29 years ago, Stanford paper: 4.8 inches
  • Ansel/Lifestyles Condom study (2001) 22 years ago: average length 5.9 inches
  • Claimed average length today, Stanford paper: 6 inches
So, one could argue the penis has shrunken 3% over the last 75 years, from 6.21 to 6.0. Or did men shrink 23% between 1948 and 1994, and then grow most of it back? Or, has there been just a 1.7% growth over the past 22 years (5.9 to 6.0)? Was there a sudden groth spurt from 4.8 to 5.9 inches (+23%) in just 7 years? Or has it always been around 6 inches, and 4.8 is in error? Etc...

Kinsey's data has often been criticized because it was self-measured, and, well, men do find ways to exaggerate. But at least Kinsey had his subjects hard for the measurement, and requested them to do it on top-- many modern studies estimate probable erect length from a stretched-flaccid measurement. And many recent studies also rely on self-measurement. But even clinical measurement is fraught with variables...measure on top or on the side? Fat pad? Curvature? Etc.? There is also the question of who got measured. For example, some studies were done on soldiers, who may have less fat pad than the average joe. Since the studies were voluntary, there is the question of "Volunteer Bias," that is, men who believe they are hung may be more likely to sign up to whip it out and be measured that someone who feels insecure about a small penis. The Ansel/LifeStyles study was done with 400 young men on spring break at a club in Cancun, measured by nurses, and with actual erections. Fully 25% of them had to be excluded because they couldn't get it up, not surprising given spring break alcohol consumption. But were the other 75% at full mast? Would they have measured an average of 6.0 or 6.2 under more sober circumstances? So, subtle differences in how a particular study is conducted can skew the results, particularly when the studies are performed decades apart.

The reported data over the years is full of hills and valleys. If you pick two points of your choosing, you can claim almost anything, as I did above. Because the various studies were conducted in different ways, it is hard to determine how to aggregate and average them. But for decades, there has been an argument back and forth: one group seems to cluster around 5 inches, and the other around 6. The authors of the Ansel/LifeStyles study linked above point this out in their conclusions, and attribute the difference to self-measurement (6ish) to clinical measurement (5ish), but put the exaggeration as more like half an inch, not a full inch. But curiously, Ansel's own clinical measuments come out at 5.877, nearly the 6 inches they attribute to self-measurement.

There is a lot of current research that points to alarming drops in male fertility in the industrialized world, based on sperm counts, motility, and other sperm quality measures. Some of these researchers actually mention a shrinking trend in penis size, contrary to the Stanford paper. On the other hand, one could argue that given declining sperm quality, a long penis would be favored, as it can make the most of such sperm as it has, by delivering it closer to where it counts. But as 29 years is barely one human generation, such a section process, if possible, has not had enough time to develop.

Early in my career, when I worked in analytical chemistry, prestigious journals occasionally published papers that were terrible science (and the editors knew it), but were amusing because they dealt with sex, and provided some levity in an otherwise dry field. Given the Valentine's Day publication date, I'll assume the Stanford paper was another of these.
Thanks for the thoughtful post! We can argue facts and numbers all day long, but the overreaching question that keeps coming back: WHY are these studies so varied? Are there control groups? You can’t very well just randomly grab 15,000+ guys (the number of participants in the recent UK study of 5.16”), so you end up with the bias of men who consider themselves larger showing up to the studies, and the result? A decently wrong, average size, like 6”.
 
This is what happens when self-declared popular media "journalists" report in a frenzy about a scientific paper they think their readers will find titillating, and then the internet multiples this by 1000x.

The penis-lengthening-trend study in question was published on Valentine's day, and the Stanford press release on the same day includes a picture of a tape measure worthy of Cosmopolitan Magazine. This has led me to wonder if the study is a hoax, or at least tongue-in-cheek, in the style of an April Fool's article (see my conclusion at the end). But even if real, the data contains an interesting inconsistency. Understand that the authors made no measurements, but simply reviewed results published by 75 others from 1942 to 2021, that is, over the last 81 years. However, they do not report the data trend over this whole 81 years period in the sensational headline, but compare a point in the middle, 29 years ago, with current data. Look at some of the points they didn't mention in the headline:
  • Kinsey Study (data taken 1948 but not published until later), 75 years ago: Average length 6.21 inches
  • Claimed average length 29 years ago, Stanford paper: 4.8 inches
  • Ansel/Lifestyles Condom study (2001) 22 years ago: average length 5.9 inches
  • Claimed average length today, Stanford paper: 6 inches
So, one could argue the penis has shrunken 3% over the last 75 years, from 6.21 to 6.0. Or did men shrink 23% between 1948 and 1994, and then grow most of it back? Or, has there been just a 1.7% growth over the past 22 years (5.9 to 6.0)? Was there a sudden groth spurt from 4.8 to 5.9 inches (+23%) in just 7 years? Or has it always been around 6 inches, and 4.8 is in error? Etc...

Kinsey's data has often been criticized because it was self-measured, and, well, men do find ways to exaggerate. But at least Kinsey had his subjects hard for the measurement, and requested them to do it on top-- many modern studies estimate probable erect length from a stretched-flaccid measurement. And many recent studies also rely on self-measurement. But even clinical measurement is fraught with variables...measure on top or on the side? Fat pad? Curvature? Etc.? There is also the question of who got measured. For example, some studies were done on soldiers, who may have less fat pad than the average joe. Since the studies were voluntary, there is the question of "Volunteer Bias," that is, men who believe they are hung may be more likely to sign up to whip it out and be measured that someone who feels insecure about a small penis. The Ansel/LifeStyles study was done with 400 young men on spring break at a club in Cancun, measured by nurses, and with actual erections. Fully 25% of them had to be excluded because they couldn't get it up, not surprising given spring break alcohol consumption. But were the other 75% at full mast? Would they have measured an average of 6.0 or 6.2 under more sober circumstances? So, subtle differences in how a particular study is conducted can skew the results, particularly when the studies are performed decades apart.

The reported data over the years is full of hills and valleys. If you pick two points of your choosing, you can claim almost anything, as I did above. Because the various studies were conducted in different ways, it is hard to determine how to aggregate and average them. But for decades, there has been an argument back and forth: one group seems to cluster around 5 inches, and the other around 6. The authors of the Ansel/LifeStyles study linked above point this out in their conclusions, and attribute the difference to self-measurement (6ish) to clinical measurement (5ish), but put the exaggeration as more like half an inch, not a full inch. But curiously, Ansel's own clinical measuments come out at 5.877, nearly the 6 inches they attribute to self-measurement.

There is a lot of current research that points to alarming drops in male fertility in the industrialized world, based on sperm counts, motility, and other sperm quality measures. Some of these researchers actually mention a shrinking trend in penis size, contrary to the Stanford paper. On the other hand, one could argue that given declining sperm quality, a long penis would be favored, as it can make the most of such sperm as it has, by delivering it closer to where it counts. But as 29 years is barely one human generation, such a section process, if possible, has not had enough time to develop.

Early in my career, when I worked in analytical chemistry, prestigious journals occasionally published papers that were terrible science (and the editors knew it), but were amusing because they dealt with sex, and provided some levity in an otherwise dry field. Given the Valentine's Day publication date, I'll assume the Stanford paper was another of these.
This is a post worthy of a paper in Science, or the Journal.
Great work.
 
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I would point to a similar frenzy (media and otherwise) about "cold fusion". At the time, it was heralded as the breakthrough of the century. Unfortunately, no other scientists could duplicate their results - even though they described their experiment with great rigor. Turned out they simply didn't understand how one of their instruments worked and relied on its incorrect readings ... duh!
I think the only natural selection would cause such a change. If women started disproportionately choosing mates with big penises, whatever genes these men carried would eventually become dominant and their would be such a widespread increase in average size. But such a thing couldn't possibly happen in a generation or two!
As I said earlier, I think it was an intentional prank and I'll bet the authors are sitting around chuckling about the feeding frenzy they've started.
 
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