What Is Your Favorite Thing About Being A Woman?

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My relationships with other women. Deep friendship, sisters in the struggle and snuggle partners.

More freedom to be physically affectionate with people.

Putting up with all the bullshit women put up with made me a better, stronger and mature person.

Also fuels my drive to be a better person.

Having boobs is pretty awesome. I like tucking my hands/cupping my hands around my boobs. Very relaxing.
 

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Yup.

Nothing appealing at all for me. Not a damn thing.
Yep.

As a woman :

I can't have kids , yet people keep asking when I will.

My rights to our own body are a fight within our government, yet that choice is being made by men.

I'm poly, so I'm a whore.

I'm told to smile more by strangers
Told to be nicer
Told to dress different
Not to revel too much
Revel more
Thick = ugly
My body is touched without my consent
Doctors don't trust my own knowledge of my body
Doctors look for husbands opinion on women's bodies
Cashiers, waitors, clerks will talk to my husband and not me, we as women are invisible
Being leered at
Cat called
Berated when I say no
Told to accept the backlash when I say no
Not being able to say no
Being expected to be into "feminine things"
Being berated for being into things "not for women"
I couldn't possibly be right about a topic, because I'm a women.
I am spoken down to more often than I care to say

I could go on and on and on.

Why should I be happy about being a woman ?
 

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Part of why I hate it:

My useless uterus.

Just my personal reason (one of several). FUCK being a woman. All the pain, none of the gain for me.

Happy for you, tho Holly. Just had to post for perspective. Being a woman doesn't mean being happy with how our reproductive system works.

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Big Holly hugs and not trying to be condescending, big love to you X
 

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The ladies saying zero have a very valid point. We're No. 2 so we have to try harder. But it's really useless because no matter how hard we try we're always going to be relegated to be right alongside our man.

If we take charge we're a bitch, whereas a man might be called leadership material.

We're told we're too emotional to hold the highest office in the country. Well, I guess that question has been answered. Finally tally: we're not. But we still won't get there in my lifetime.

We're constantly being cheated either by lovers or administration. I don't recommend an average woman's pay rate.

We're considered the weaker sex except we carry the baby for nine months while doing everything else we were doing before.

But what I really love about being a woman is that I can love without reservation. I can hug without being called a sissy. I can cry and no one will think lesser of me. It's hard to do those when you're a man. But you really should try. It would do you a world of good.
 

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Yep.

As a woman :

I can't have kids , yet people keep asking when I will.

My rights to our own body are a fight within our government, yet that choice is being made by men.

I'm poly, so I'm a whore.

I'm told to smile more by strangers
Told to be nicer
Told to dress different
Not to revel too much
Revel more
Thick = ugly
My body is touched without my consent
Doctors don't trust my own knowledge of my body
Doctors look for husbands opinion on women's bodies
Cashiers, waitors, clerks will talk to my husband and not me, we as women are invisible
Being leered at
Cat called
Berated when I say no
Told to accept the backlash when I say no
Not being able to say no
Being expected to be into "feminine things"
Being berated for being into things "not for women"
I couldn't possibly be right about a topic, because I'm a women.
I am spoken down to more often than I care to say

I could go on and on and on.

Why should I be happy about being a woman ?
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Fuckin EXACTLY.

nothing wrong with anyone who enjoys being woman as fuck.. I just struggle daily to appreciate this curse which isn't that to those who find it a blessing..

Non-religious person using religious terms cuz I assume it's easy to get the point of those particular words and my buzzed ass is struggling to find better terms...
 

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I don't have much of a description to put here, I'm just curious what all of y'all love about being a woman. Hopefully not too open ended of a question.

Thanks for any responses :)
I vote for 0, too.

It'd only be good if I could be invisible. The world is a dangerous place for women. Everybody has an opinion about how I should look, what I should wear, how many children I should have (I don't like children), how I should occupy my time...

Crime against women also often goes unpunished.

Nature also did its shittiest job on the design of women: painful periods, painful birth giving, less muscles, etc.
 

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Forgot yoga pants/leggings.

Oh, and OTK socks. Though I encourage men to embrace awesome socks for their own.

Eta: being genderqueer and masculine presenting my "woman" experience varies greatly from what a ton of women go through. People either forget I have girl parts or assume I have rejected female as being inferior or contemptible. Resulting in revealing some terrible failings on their part and deep hatred of women that's not even questioned by far too many people.
 
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I think this is the key. Nobody is disputing that women get paid less on average, it's just that the assumption that the bias of employers is to blame for this is mostly wrong. If anything, we should be looking at why women get more time off than men for parental leave, and the cultural attitudes about who should bear the brunt of child care. But women's choices to disrupt their career to care for children needs to be respected as a valid one, and it needs to be understood that this will mean that their earning power is reduced and this effects the statistics. Lately there's this impulse to assume that there should be no inequity - the statistics should show men and women paid exactly the same and until that happens it's unjust. I disagree - women have the freedom to make choices and we shouldn't insist that their choices be the same as men's, even if it leads to a gender pay gap. Differences do not mean discrimination, choices cause differences too.

You disputed it in your initial post

And before anyone says we get paid less, no we don't, that's an illusion of misleading statistics

Women get paid less after adjustment - see earlier link. I'm not sure whose assumption you are challenging.

Although I'll admit I don't know why you are so convinced the unexplained pay gap (following adjustment) is *not* employer bias (SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals) or your focus on motherhood, when male graduates, compared to female graduates, are more prevalent in the higher pay brackets before most women are mothers (Gender pay gap begins for students straight after university – report)

It is not an indisputable fact that time out of a woman's career to care for a child *must* have a detrimental effect on that career. Because I take 9 months maternity leave, 10 years of education and experience fall out of my head? Some women *do* choose to return to either a less demanding role or one closer to home for less pay. That is their choice. Although IMO it's debatable if it is a choice when there are a lack of viable alternatives.

Some women are forced into it by employers who arbitrarily refuse to be flexible in circumstances where it would cost them nothing to do so (oddly enough issues that were overcome overnight with coronavirus lockdowns that affected everyone, not just mothers) and there is evidence that working mothers are subjected to discrimination that they should not be deemed to have chosen even if they chose to have a child: https://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/511799. I do not agree that people need to accept this as unavoidable. Rather than a "punishment" mindset towards women, how about employers extending part time hours and flexibility to both men and women and having clear career path progression for part time employees?

I agree the sharing of parental leave would improve matters. The Nordic countries are doing far better with this.
 
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For me, motherhood. I realise I am blessed and my heart breaks for anyone who wants to have a child and cannot. I also want to tip my hat to the wonderful mothers here who have never given birth. I was a young mum so it's a huge part of who I am as a person.

Other than that... I'm struggling. Like lafemme, I do get enjoyment from playing around with make-up and hair I guess.

As opposed to being a man... I suppose it's still more socially acceptable for me to express emotion or ask for help
 

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I think women are allowed to be closer to their true selves than guys are. There's been a lot of progress in the past decades on the rights of women to be different than the stereotypical 50s stereotype. Women are still allowed to be warm, nurturing and even passive, but are also allowed to be bad-ass and confident. Other than certain industries where there's still some professional misogyny, women are permitted a wider range of cultural freedom. Men are still expected to fill a lot of the 50s stereotypes - confident, in charge, professionally successful, wealthy, assertive. And there's even more prejudice against men in traditionally female work fields that value things like "warmth" or "nurturing" that men are assumed to be less suited to, and male styles of communication are considered less desirable (I work in a traditionally female field and have seen this first hand).
You can even look at other symbols of this. Many traditional male baby names have become acceptable for girls, but the reverse is not true. Women are allowed to dress in a less traditionally feminine way and it's still seen as normal, but the same is not true for men.
None of this is to say that we don't still get treated unfairly, but I think we've benefitted tremendously from the feminist movement and cultural change. And before anyone says we get paid less, no we don't, that's an illusion of misleading statistics. I'll leave that for another time.
So there you go. I like being a woman because I think I enjoy many types of freedom that the women's rights and feminist movements have sought. That and I can get laid whenever I want and I can have multiple orgasms. Yeah you heard me! ;)
 
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Sure, you can cherry pick anything. Here is an good article (written by a woman) that does a pretty good job explaining why the perception of gender pay discrimination is because people quote statistics without understanding what they mean. I like this article because it references some very reliable statistics that illustrate the point. I also think it's worth noting that no matter the article, cherry picked or not, I have never seen any statistic that shows a gender pay difference for people in the same profession with the same years of experience. I've seen lots of data that shows pay equality in that situation.
Finally it's worth noting that none of this means there isn't cultural disparity - in child care and the expectations associated with it. But there's no evidence of gender pay discrimination on a macro scale.

Don't Buy Into The Gender Pay Gap Myth

The article didn't really have any data for me to get stuck into.

Unless I'm reading it wrong the article didn't debunk the gender pay gap - it said that a particular figure of 78% was debunked. I'm not sure where that figure came from in the first place? It seems to be well known in the US - they cited where it was used rather than analysis of the claim.

A link from the article you linked above said "According to the AAUW report, “even after researchers controlled for age, education, hours worked beyond full time, industry sector, marital status, and presence of children in the household, female managers still earned just 81 percent of what male managers did, leaving an unexplained 19 percent pay gap,” and later observed, “women continue to earn less than men do, even when they make the same choices.”" but the link to that report was dead.

I found a US study published in the Journal of Economic Literature that starts out with a similar figure to the 75% you mentioned, but goes on to make adjustments, yet still has a persistent unexplained gender gap - it's a long read (101 pages) and I skimmed some parts because economic modelling doesn't mean much to me, but it's interesting. From the conclusion:

"The persistence of an unexplained gender wage gap suggests, though it does not prove, that labor-market discrimination continues to contribute to the gender wage gap, just as the decrease in the unexplained gap we found in our analysis of the trends over time in the gender gap suggests, though it does not prove, that decreases in discrimination help to explain the decrease in the gap. We cited some recent research based on experimental evidence that strongly suggests that discrimination cannot be discounted as contributing to the persistent gender wage gap. Indeed, we noted some experimental evidence that discrimination against mothers may help to account for the motherhood wage penalty as well".

Link: The Gender Wage Gap: Extent, Trends, and Explanations - American Economic Association (you can download the full pdf for free)

The gender pay gap is real so it is not true to say that women are not paid less than men. Generally they are. However it is true to say the reasons behind that disparity are not always straightforward discrimination - it's a complex subject with many factors at play, not just childcare, including how skills seen as "feminine" are valued and how girls are moulded by society.


For example, if women are socialised to be feminine, do they do worse in situations where pay must be negotiated, a process where a woman may fear being viewed as pushy or aggressive? Apparently so and that isn't an unfounded concern. Although there is other research that claims it isn't that women don't ask - it's that they do and they don't get and other evidence that finds negotiating isn't a skill women do not possess, as they do well negotiating on behalf of others.

Discrimination is difficult to prove because of the lack of transparency with pay, although there have been some very high profile cases when employers were forced to be transparent. A lot of people simply don't know what their colleagues are paid. Gender pay gap reporting is to shine a light and not only make companies accountable but highlight biases they may not be aware they have. It is not *always* a case of discrimination. But sometimes it is.

I'm not trying to persuade you - you're free to believe whatever you want to. Some people believe in Jewish space lasers. I'm just trying to counteract you when you make these categoric statements.
 

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