Why are people so angry about circumcision

[mandoman]

That sounds reasonable.

To whom?
The only one it should matter to, is the one who gets to live with the results
attached to his body.

 

[mandoman]

Wow...Wow. I've stated numerous times that parents make ALL of the decisions for their children so who sets the rules on what the child decides. Does he decided when he should go to the doctor, or maybe he can decide if and when he goes to school. When my son was younger he would have decided to eat chicken nuggets all the time. But the poor parents we are we forced him to eat other things including veggies that he hated. Simply put mind your business and let the childs parents make the call. I bet DX doesn't even have kids, any body that obsessed with dicks must live a lonely life. If you do ask yourself how you would like it if someone was constantly criticizing your decisions.

Are you really comparing eating chicken nuggets, with optional but unrecommended surgery which removes half the skin, and two thirds of the nerves, from someone else's dick for life?
Can I give you some of your own advice? Mind your own business, and let the owner of the penis make the call. Not some well meaning, but opinionated, or ill-informed parent.
Just so you don't feel lonely, I was the ill-informed parent who had his son circumcised. The son we didn't cut told us multiple times, from the bottom of his heart, how glad he was that we didn't circumcise him. We didn't catch the coercion and outright lies the three doctors made, until years after the surgery was done, and met other people who fit our firstborn's description, who fixed it easily without surgery.
A lot of people are upset because someone else made a bad call for them.
They fixed something which wasn't broken.

 

[Sitronmelde]

I wish a 60's era sci fi writer had tackled this issue; In the future, childrens' outer ears are surgically removed, for cleanliness, for social acceptance, for the clean look, for tradition, etc...

 

[mandoman]

I was fine to leave this discussion, and then THIS comes along.



You really need to learn to check yourself.
When it boils down to this pathetic discussion (now nearing its 100th topic on this forum), we vehemently disagree over whether or not a parent has a right to decide what they think is best for a baby boy when it comes to the penis. That's where the discussion should have ended. Alas, in a desperate need to look "right" in front of your peers, you then spin these arguments to be about the supposed morality of people who try to do what's best for their kids on an overly repetitive basis. And it's at that precise moment that any reasoning you may have is tarnished. For who the hell are you to pass that kind of judgement on anyone?

Instead of talking about my so-called record of ruining threads, why don't you take an honest look at every circumcision thread on this board and see where YOU have insulted, denounced, belittled and desperately tried to dismiss people for no reason beyond providing an opinion different than yours. In these threads, YOU have done that far more than I could ever have. Your hypocrisy has now reached beyond the level of denying future parents the choice your own mom and dad administered when they brought your bitter behind into this world, but now you're trying to pretend that you don't inject your own nasty venom on threads and many times before anyone else responds directly to you. I'd appreciate it if you have the balls to mention my name to speak the truth and be wary of your own faults before you try to propagate what I'm supposedly doing.

And BTW, I've been talked to by mods several times for my antics on this board. Yet I'm still here, so apparently I'm not doing something so detrimental to this board that requires me to be banned. Unfortunately, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. You'd think that people who are obsessive enough to respond with the same opinion in nearly 100 of these threads can be equated to spam. You may have the freedom to make 100,000 more posts about how adults who have their infant boys circumcised are savages... but don't even think about trying to better your image or win morality points on my expense. That will be the biggest mistake you'll ever make around here, and your foreskin won't be able to save you either.

VinylBoy, I'm with you on that one.
Even I felt angry with that post.
Mild? Because I don't spew acid at people?
I thought you were unfairly singled out.
His strident tone alienates me enough, that I'm embarrassed to be on the
same side of the fence. A couple of times I've suggested he is driving people
who might otherwise listen away. I got as far as Aconitum, whose words were chosen carefully, and with love.
Sorry you got hit with the flying spear.
Hugs,
Mandoman

 

[mandoman]

Have you considered that parents who prefer the circumcised penis and have a dislike for the look of an uncut one would want to give their son the better look ? When you consider circumcision to be an improvement, you have no problem deciding to have your son circumcised.

The penis doesn't belong to them.
He is not their chattel, or property.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

C'mon mandoman. Do you have to fuel VB's pity party? I'd like to know exactly what I am doing that invites vilification. What do those guys add to these threads but negation and "muddying?"

If you are willing to give him a dove, how about a dove for me? I'm honestly confused. I pretty much got the inquisition from Aconitum. I responded in a measured way.

A baby covered in tats and gauges would be sad and illegal child abuse. What's different about this tribal thing euphemized circumcision? People who circumcise infant boys with knowledge nowadays are savage.

 

[B_lrgeggs]

There are people who are angry fo whatever reason

 

[darkbond007]

What if he says he doesn't want it at all? Will his input count?

You know I don't think its relevant to ask this question because here is your reaction to what my son will say...

If he says no he doesnt want it you will deem him a smart kid and bow down to his glorious foreskin

If he says yes you will say either he is too young to understand, we brainwashed him or we forced him into it.

 

[B_VinylBoy]

So glad to know that you're still talking about me even though you've been instructed not to do so by a mod, DX.

Although I can easily refute your claims about my so-called "muddying" of this thread by linking to my responses here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and also here with someone that I had a heated disagreement with before (among other places on this thread), it's apparent that your ideology surrounding the destruction of threads comes from your misguided belief that anyone who disagrees with you and voices opposition to your reasoning is automatically deemed to be a bad person. In fact, I didn't even post in this thread for nearly a week until you mentioned my name in some lame attempt to make me look like an ogre and yourself like an innocent contributor.

Because of your stubbornly chauvinistic ideologies that coerce you to think that you alone have the unwavering moral high ground on this beaten to death subject, you desperately try to insult, degrade, belittle and chastise anyone that has a different mindset to the point when you don't even know if your choice adversary is "pro-circ" (as you claim it) or in the middle which I happen to be, alas, you've failed to notice since the only answer you accept is the one already predetermined in your mind.

I know you don't like me (most people with highly bigoted mindsets on controversial issues don't), but making up lies at the expense of others to try and look better doesn't work. Even though you're not "debating" with me (because it's pretty apparent you can't handle someone with an opposing viewpoint and a strong conviction), you continually call me out by name, use my name in your facetious morality lessons about how to conduct a thread and continue with the insults while being called out on them by another mod at the same time. If I'm supposed to be so crazy, so wrong, so evil and nasty, then why can't you ignore me?

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Just like here people try to silence dissenters and non-compliant circumcisees:

Boys hoping to gain their manhood lose it

"Zweni's circumcision and initiation was like a sadistic scene from Lord of the Flies."

Can't see how it's much different here. We just cleaned it up a bit and institutionalized it at the highest level. First "surgery" med students learn. Get them indoctrinated. You get jumped into the gang, you gotta keep going or risk your standing with your fellow circumcisers and possibly your career.

 

[mandoman]

C'mon mandoman. Do you have to fuel VB's pity party? I'd like to know exactly what I am doing that invites vilification. What do those guys add to these threads but negation and "muddying?"

If you are willing to give him a dove, how about a dove for me? I'm honestly confused. I pretty much got the inquisition from Aconitum. I responded in a measured way.

A baby covered in tats and gauges would be sad and illegal child abuse. What's different about this tribal thing euphemized circumcision? People who circumcise infant boys with knowledge nowadays are savage.

You are saying the right words.
Your heart is empty of compassion for anyone but the baby.
The rest are unbelievers, and swiftly dispatched.
You responded to Aconitum, but you did not take it to heart.
VB is not the problem here. Your lack of love alienates people. It really is as simple as that. You are feeding the vortex of anger, and polarizing in the process. There is a better way.

 

[mandoman]

You know I don't think its relevant to ask this question because here is your reaction to what my son will say...

If he says no he doesnt want it you will deem him a smart kid and bow down to his glorious foreskin

If he says yes you will say either he is too young to understand, we brainwashed him or we forced him into it.

At two, what do you expect him to say?
What other question would you ask him at that age, and ask that he stick with it for the rest of his life? Marrying Mommy?

 

[mandoman]

So glad to know that you're still talking about me even though you've been instructed not to do so by a mod, DX.

Although I can easily refute your claims about my so-called "muddying" of this thread by linking to my responses here, and here, and here, and here, and here, and also here with someone that I had a heated disagreement with before (among other places on this thread), it's apparent that your ideology surrounding the destruction of threads comes from your misguided belief that anyone who disagrees with you and voices opposition to your reasoning is automatically deemed to be a bad person. In fact, I didn't even post in this thread for nearly a week until you mentioned my name in some lame attempt to make me look like an ogre and yourself like an innocent contributor.

Because of your stubbornly chauvinistic ideologies that coerce you to think that you alone have the unwavering moral high ground on this beaten to death subject, you desperately try to insult, degrade, belittle and chastise anyone that has a different mindset to the point when you don't even know if your choice adversary is "pro-circ" (as you claim it) or in the middle which I happen to be, alas, you've failed to notice since the only answer you accept is the one already predetermined in your mind.

I know you don't like me (most people with highly bigoted mindsets on controversial issues don't), but making up lies at the expense of others to try and look better doesn't work. Even though you're not "debating" with me (because it's pretty apparent you can't handle someone with an opposing viewpoint and a strong conviction), you continually call me out by name, use my name in your facetious morality lessons about how to conduct a thread and continue with the insults while being called out on them by another mod at the same time. If I'm supposed to be so crazy, so wrong, so evil and nasty, then why can't you ignore me?

Amen. You said what I wasn't able to express.

 

[lellelind]

why are people so angry about circumcision...

Maybe because it's performed on infants for no real reason at all.

 

[curioustitan]

Just like here people try to silence dissenters and non-compliant circumcisees:

Boys hoping to gain their manhood lose it

"Zweni's circumcision and initiation was like a sadistic scene from Lord of the Flies."

Can't see how it's much different here. We just cleaned it up a bit and institutionalized it at the highest level. First "surgery" med students learn. Get them indoctrinated. You get jumped into the gang, you gotta keep going or risk your standing with your fellow circumcisers and possibly your career.

Well it's been about a 'minute' since last i checked in and i'm glad to see this dead horse being dragged out and beaten some more.....
I'm from South Africa and i work for a company that employs labourers with very basic education and whose children at age 18 make their way up towards the Eastern Cape for their 'coming of age' ritualistic circumcision.... It's a harrowing two weeks even before the final snip... as the youths in question have to pretty much starve themselves and drink only water before the 'big day' when they are brazenly hacked with a crude 'panga'. So yes, dx.... here i will agree with you that this particular form of circumcision is archaic and barberous..... but as you have pointed out, we have progressed past this point of mutilation. (many of the young men do die and/or suffer with botched jobs)
Westernised science in all it's splendour (i use these terms very loosely as i do not prescribe to all things medical....especially the laxadaisacal issuing of prescription meds....but that's off topic) has come along way since loin cloths, tribal fire dancing and the Tokoloshe.....you'll know what i'm on about if you knew african cultures... and circumcisions (while not always safe) is not a practice to be berated. And again the issue should be more pertinent if we were discussing botched medical practices....Many of the men on this thread are circucised and -for the most part-well adjusted and comfortable and not in the least resentful. And many of their children will be circumcised and grow up the same way.... A small handful may take exception and umbridge and start calling themselve dxjnorto, pick up their pitchforks and torch the village of pro-choice (not pro-circ) heretics.... This is the price we all pay for making decisions whether ill informed or not. Someones always going to come along and tell us we could have done better for our kids.
All i know is that my parents did the best that they knew how with what they had available at the time.... like most parents do.... and i still haven't taken my shotgun to them yet a-la 'Menendez Brothers'...
So please, give the 'ol folks a break....
By the way, were the Menendez brothers circumcised?

"i love sam_solo26"

 

[mandoman]

You know I don't think its relevant to ask this question because here is your reaction to what my son will say...

If he says no he doesnt want it you will deem him a smart kid and bow down to his glorious foreskin

If he says yes you will say either he is too young to understand, we brainwashed him or we forced him into it.

There's one little thing bothering me here.
Darkbond007, you are unhappy that doctors would not give you the choice to be circumcised. They let you be in pain, rather than to allow you to exercise your choice, in a way they didn't approve. This was clearly wrong...in anyone's medical ethics book....leaving a painful condition without fixing it, when multiple fixes were available.

So now, you plan on offering a surgery he doesn't need, to your hypothetical kid. Your father needed one, and you needed one. And now, like a stage mother, your kid is going to be offered to make the 'right' choice, at an age when no one could dream of holding him responsible.

Knowing that your problem with your own foreskin could have been easily resolved with something as simple as canesten, why? Does it give you back the power over the doctors, that you never had?

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Pedophile cuts a kid's dick, he'll be a registered sex offender, rightly. Doctor cuts is business as usual. Not much difference there either.

 

[D_Mephistophiles Scatlicker]

Well it's been about a 'minute' since last i checked in and i'm glad to see this dead horse being dragged out and beaten some more.....
I'm from South Africa and i work for a company that employs labourers with very basic education and whose children at age 18 make their way up towards the Eastern Cape for their 'coming of age' ritualistic circumcision.... It's a harrowing two weeks even before the final snip... as the youths in question have to pretty much starve themselves and drink only water before the 'big day' when they are brazenly hacked with a crude 'panga'. So yes, dx.... here i will agree with you that this particular form of circumcision is archaic and barberous..... but as you have pointed out, we have progressed past this point of mutilation. (many of the young men do die and/or suffer with botched jobs)
Westernised science in all it's splendour (i use these terms very loosely as i do not prescribe to all things medical....especially the laxadaisacal issuing of prescription meds....but that's off topic) has come along way since loin cloths, tribal fire dancing and the Tokoloshe.....you'll know what i'm on about if you knew african cultures... and circumcisions (while not always safe) is not a practice to be berated. And again the issue should be more pertinent if we were discussing botched medical practices....Many of the men on this thread are circucised and -for the most part-well adjusted and comfortable and not in the least resentful. And many of their children will be circumcised and grow up the same way.... A small handful may take exception and umbridge and start calling themselve dxjnorto, pick up their pitchforks and torch the village of pro-choice (not pro-circ) heretics.... This is the price we all pay for making decisions whether ill informed or not. Someones always going to come along and tell us we could have done better for our kids.
All i know is that my parents did the best that they knew how with what they had available at the time.... like most parents do.... and i still haven't taken my shotgun to them yet a-la 'Menendez Brothers'...
So please, give the 'ol folks a break....
By the way, were the Menendez brothers circumcised?

"i love sam_solo26"

You are such a perfect example of someone who was circumcised before he even knew what life was about, making uneducated comments about something you know nothing about. You have a way with words and are cute at Hell, but you should consider doing a better job of choosing your battles.

 

[B_dxjnorto]

Your lack of love alienates people.

Yeah, I've kind of lost my way. I'm not feeling much love for circumcisers. Here's a good joke. Maybe put the love back in:

A 6 year old and a 4 year old are upstairs in their bedroom. The 6 year old asks, "You know what? I think it's about time we started cussing..." The 4 year old nods his head in approval. The 6 year old continues, "When we go downstairs for breakfast, I'm gonna say something with hell and you say something with ass." The 4 year old agrees with enthusiasm.

When the mother walks into the kitchen and asks the 6 year old what he wants for breakfast, he replies, "Aww, hell, Mom, I guess I'll have some Cheerios."

WHACK! He flies out of his chair, tumbles across the kitchen floor, gets up, and runs upstairs crying his eyes out, with his mother in hot pursuit, slapping his rear with every step. His mom locks him in his room and shouts, "You can stay there until I let you out!"

She then comes back downstairs, looks at the 4 year old and asks with a stern voice, "And what do YOU want for breakfast, young man?"

"I don't know," he blubbers, "but you can bet your fat ass it won't be Cheerios!"

 

[curioustitan]

You are such a perfect example of someone who was circumcised before he even knew what life was about, making uneducated comments about something you know nothing about. You have a way with words and are cute at Hell, but you should consider doing a better job of choosing your battles.

"....what life was about" That part in particular really gets me. So what you're saying is that cut, or uncut. This will affect you for your whole life..... IN EVERY ASPECT!!!
Since this is a 'sexual' based topic, one would assume (at risk of scorn i note) that it would affect one on a 'sexual' level. Surely you would get the same thrills in life when doing things that don't involve your dick.... bungee jumping, skydiving, falling in love, achieving well academically, making the soccer team etc ad infinitum.
Again if you read an earlier thread of mine, i had a friend who suffered with a split foreskin after getting an erection at high school. (uncircumcised) The doctor recommended circumcision.... my friend could decide for himself.... and he followed through with it..... many years later he is happy as all hell and claims that he really doesn't notice a difference. (He was definitely old enough to remember and compare).
However, shortly after the splitting foreskin incident, he did struggle to achieve an erection for a while thereafter from psychological scarring and fear of the pain he suffered (erectile dysfunction). In not all cases is circumcision decided upon as an 'aesthetic improvement.'
As it is, i am yet to meet the parent who decides on this practice for that reason. Yes, i have heard of it... but again can call upon no one i know as an example.
Sorry for stirring your obvious 'ire' and 'bitterness'....
P.S Thanks for the 'cute as hell' pat on the back..... makes me lash out a little less you sly bugger! (Getting me all buttery in the nether regions... LOL!!!)

"i love sam_solo26"