"bbc", "mandingo", Is It Racial Fetishization Of Black Men?

[Sagittarius84]

Why isn't it equal across the board? Black women are raised in these same conditions but don't seem to want to look outside for a partner. Also why isn't this common in other racial groups on such a large scale with maybe the exception for Asian females?

I guess it depends on who you ask. I spoke earlier about the hypermasculine physical ideal that exists amongst Black communities, that could be a factor. In the West, particularly the States and much of the Caribbean, I do think an historical aversion of white men due to slavery and Jim Crow still exists.
I also think there are collective elements of pride and ego at play as well; being that mating and dating homogeneously is the statistical norm...but I also wonder if it's a fox and the grapes situation wherein in knowing no significant portion of any other race when they choose to date interracially, choose black women, so a prerejection of sorts.
There's a legitimate argument in the colorism/European beauty standard notion in that black women that fall within that narrow spectrum seem to publicly get the most interracial success, but what I've also observed anecdotally from non famous individuals is how often socially conservative black women, often coming from affluent and/or immigrant families, and often dark skinned with natural African beauty features are sought after by white men which tells me the racism/ colorism concern is only half the argument at best.

 

[14317861]

I agree it is undoubtedly racist, and thank you for the discussion, but if taken to the nth degree (and it's difficult to talk about in a sense), the essence of a lot of fetishes are totally inappropriate when held under the spotlight of the 'real' world and real morals and values. It is the 'forbidden' that is the driver behind these fetishes. For this reason it's a tricky route to go down. So much porn is misogynistic for example, so it could be asked what has this done to the psyche of women over the years? There is also a lot of 'homophobic' porn which is also a turn on to some. The list is endless.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Y'all someone with admin power is gaslighting me by editing my comments by changing words and deleting my comments in response to others who have addressed me. It's funny that my comments can be considered abrasive but the people who address me can get a pass although they were the catalyst for anything I've replied with.

 

[MisterB]

Y'all someone with admin power is gaslighting me by editing my comments by changing words and deleting my comments in response to others who have addressed me. It's funny that my comments can be considered abrasive but the people who address me can get a pass although they were the catalyst for anything I've replied with.

I am the Moderator who edited your post to remove a word that is not allowed at LPSG. I will be happy to go back to that post and issue you a warning for Inappropriate Language if you wish. Just let me know.

The content that was deleted was found to be Off topic and led to personal arguing between other posters and yourself.

Here's the thing: If you and others can't be civil with your discussion and not resort to expressing personal animosity towards each other, I will be happy to remove your and others posting privileges from this thread.

Now how about we get back to the subject of the thread?

Thanks
B

 

[Neijo]

To define if BBC & co can be considered racial fetishization is, to define the line between justified stereotypes and racial biased lies. As with every other racial topic, one part of the potential victims would say it's racism while the other part of the potential victims would say it's totally fine.

I for myself would approach this topic differently:
When exchanging kinks and fetishes, do not force them on someone, don't tell someone "I like this or that fetish" out of nowhere. But rather answer if they ask what fetishes you are into. Or ask them what fetishes they are into. The tone makes the music.

 

[Neijo]

The porn industry has contributed to a lot of the sexual stereotypes

You could have ended the sentence here
As a german, international partners and soon-to-be partners come with the same stereotypes the porn industry has branded onto germans (and many other nations, races, body types etc.).

Not all germans are well hung hung, rough, emotion-free bukkake performers.

Do I think it is a stereotype? Yes.
Do I think that's ethnicism? Yes.
Do I feel offended by it? Yes.
Do I feel annoyed by it? Yes.
Would I prohibit it? No.

Stereotypes are important for the human brain. Especially when it comes to business decisions. As porn websites have a variety of categories, they have to pin down stereotypes so the potential user finds their preferred content as soon as possible. This prevents large hosting & streaming costs for the provider due to sending the user to the seeked content and gain money with ads.


My two cents about the VERY original topic:
I think it is racial fetishization, but only if for example there is a BBC section, but no black people in other categories. Otherwise I'd see it as annoying but helpful stereotype. For both, the platform owner and the user.

 

[17398591]

I came across an interesting article that was posted in the North Texas Daily on November 7th 2020. It's short but I think it's a worthy read for anyone that is interested in seeing it from another point of view. This is a topic that I feel strongly about as a black male who has been fetishized constantly on different apps. A lot of people don't really consider the origin of certain words that we commonly see. The porn industry has contributed to a lot of the sexual stereotypes of black men and women. Check the link below to read the article.

Fetishization of Black men is a form of prejudice

Lots of woke identityness stuff has gained popularity with intellectual academics during the past 4 years or so.

 

[Fellowship]

This is an interesting thread with some interesting perspectives.

My take:

To answer the OP's question, YES, I think using those terms are fetishizing Black men because it is primarily non-Black people who use them. I never hear Black men/people say BBC, mandingo, and the like among themselves or their Black partners; you literally only hear those terms in interracial pairings/settings. The only Black men who would use those terms are the ones who sleep with/cater to non-Black people (i.e., interracial sex trysts). After all, what would be the point of racializing your penis to someone who's of the same race as you? Besides, Black men very rarely even use the word "cock"; they much prefer to say "dick."

Re: The role of porn:

At the end of the day, people determine how society operates and its values. Porn continues to perpetuate the stereotype because the majority of their consumers (White people) advance it. There is no "taboo" about a Black penis, but White people have made it such and continue to hold on to it, so those beliefs naturally translate to where the Black penis is most prevalent: porn.

Re: The impact on Black men with average penis sizes:

I guess researchers would need to do some studies to see how this impacts Black men. I would hope they know that "average" means just that..."average", or standard/typical. These days more than ever, guys with big cocks/dicks are eager to show them because they garner attention and likes on social media, which are especially important if you have no marketable skills, lack gainful employment, or myopic in vision and not thinking about future implications. Sad reality, but for some guys of all races, having a big cock/dick is literally all they have that gives them some semblance of worth in the eyes of others. So they are quick to brag about it and show it off for (fleeting) attention. Having a big one comes with bragging rights: "Yeah, I may be poor, lack formal education, and work a dead end/minimum wage job...but I have a big dick though." And while a big dick doesn't carry the same status as money or education, it does carry weight (no pun intended), and very rarely will someone go up against a guy who's known for having a big member.

Based off my anecdotal experience, Black guys (in the US) are more conservative about their bodies in same-sex settings (i.e., locker rooms, bathrooms, etc.) than, say, White and Asian men. They don't get naked in locker rooms or use communal showers as much as some others. The Black guys I've seen strip down fit the bill of the stereotype, and whether consciously or unconsciously, that might be the very reason why they do it: Because they have a "BBC". The Black guys with average cocks/dicks are probably the ones skipping the stripping because they feel don't live up to the stereotype that all Black men are walking around with an elephant trunk in their pants. Mere speculative reasoning...

 

[Sagittarius84]

I suspect the the "BBC" effect on average sized black men varies if they are mating and dating inter-or intraracially; ironically I think the effect is that much more poignant with homogenous couplings. As I alluded to earlier in the thread, I think a lot of BBC fetishism from non black women exists as a function of their differing attraction(expressed in a problematic way, possibly from problematic origins) to black men then as a result of him having a larger than average penis. I think a lot of women's(in general) spatial comprehension is tied more intimately to their feelings about the situation or object and that auxiliary attractive factors of black men(charisma, swag, if you will) to non black women(especially in comparison to their homogenous options) can cause them to percieve marginally larger if not similarly sized penises as bigger. Porn, if you traverse away from the major studios and delve in to lower budget or amateur stuff, show plenty of average sized black men labeled as BBC, and also has a tricky habit of utilizing angles and body size differences between their performers to amplify the effects.
Given the unchecked and socioeconomically irresponsible hypergamy that is so rampant within our community specifically, I think the "BBC" moniker has a much more toxic effect upon average sized black males when dealing with black females; which could be one of many possible origins of our social conservatism when it comes to nudity, being we'd have much more to "lose" by way of sexual attention if our penises dimensions were known.

 

[raceplay]

When we look at disabilities like Micro Penis, it’s almost never a Black man. Cam sites and porn tubes have been around for 20 years now, but still we rarely see a small black dick surface from user uploads

 

[raceplay]

I love reclamation. This Arab loves religious and military role play for the obvious reasons - you can be killed for being gay in his country. All Fetish and kink isn’t about self hate it’s about reclaiming control

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

This is an interesting thread with some interesting perspectives.

My take:

To answer the OP's question, YES, I think using those terms are fetishizing Black men because it is primarily non-Black people who use them. I never hear Black men/people say BBC, mandingo, and the like among themselves or their Black partners; you literally only hear those terms in interracial pairings/settings. The only Black men who would use those terms are the ones who sleep with/cater to non-Black people (i.e., interracial sex trysts). After all, what would be the point of racializing your penis to someone who's of the same race as you? Besides, Black men very rarely even use the word "cock"; they much prefer to say "dick."

Re: The role of porn:

At the end of the day, people determine how society operates and its values. Porn continues to perpetuate the stereotype because the majority of their consumers (White people) advance it. There is no "taboo" about a Black penis, but White people have made it such and continue to hold on to it, so those beliefs naturally translate to where the Black penis is most prevalent: porn.

Re: The impact on Black men with average penis sizes:

I guess researchers would need to do some studies to see how this impacts Black men. I would hope they know that "average" means just that..."average", or standard/typical. These days more than ever, guys with big cocks/dicks are eager to show them because they garner attention and likes on social media, which are especially important if you have no marketable skills, lack gainful employment, or myopic in vision and not thinking about future implications. Sad reality, but for some guys of all races, having a big cock/dick is literally all they have that gives them some semblance of worth in the eyes of others. So they are quick to brag about it and show it off for (fleeting) attention. Having a big one comes with bragging rights: "Yeah, I may be poor, lack formal education, and work a dead end/minimum wage job...but I have a big dick though." And while a big dick doesn't carry the same status as money or education, it does carry weight (no pun intended), and very rarely will someone go up against a guy who's known for having a big member.

Based off my anecdotal experience, Black guys (in the US) are more conservative about their bodies in same-sex settings (i.e., locker rooms, bathrooms, etc.) than, say, White and Asian men. They don't get naked in locker rooms or use communal showers as much as some others. The Black guys I've seen strip down fit the bill of the stereotype, and whether consciously or unconsciously, that might be the very reason why they do it: Because they have a "BBC". The Black guys with average cocks/dicks are probably the ones skipping the stripping because they feel don't live up to the stereotype that all Black men are walking around with an elephant trunk in their pants. Mere speculative reasoning...

This is an interesting thread with some interesting perspectives.

My take:

To answer the OP's question, YES, I think using those terms are fetishizing Black men because it is primarily non-Black people who use them. I never hear Black men/people say BBC, mandingo, and the like among themselves or their Black partners; you literally only hear those terms in interracial pairings/settings. The only Black men who would use those terms are the ones who sleep with/cater to non-Black people (i.e., interracial sex trysts). After all, what would be the point of racializing your penis to someone who's of the same race as you? Besides, Black men very rarely even use the word "cock"; they much prefer to say "dick."

Re: The role of porn:

At the end of the day, people determine how society operates and its values. Porn continues to perpetuate the stereotype because the majority of their consumers (White people) advance it. There is no "taboo" about a Black penis, but White people have made it such and continue to hold on to it, so those beliefs naturally translate to where the Black penis is most prevalent: porn.

Re: The impact on Black men with average penis sizes:

I guess researchers would need to do some studies to see how this impacts Black men. I would hope they know that "average" means just that..."average", or standard/typical. These days more than ever, guys with big cocks/dicks are eager to show them because they garner attention and likes on social media, which are especially important if you have no marketable skills, lack gainful employment, or myopic in vision and not thinking about future implications. Sad reality, but for some guys of all races, having a big cock/dick is literally all they have that gives them some semblance of worth in the eyes of others. So they are quick to brag about it and show it off for (fleeting) attention. Having a big one comes with bragging rights: "Yeah, I may be poor, lack formal education, and work a dead end/minimum wage job...but I have a big dick though." And while a big dick doesn't carry the same status as money or education, it does carry weight (no pun intended), and very rarely will someone go up against a guy who's known for having a big member.

Based off my anecdotal experience, Black guys (in the US) are more conservative about their bodies in same-sex settings (i.e., locker rooms, bathrooms, etc.) than, say, White and Asian men. They don't get naked in locker rooms or use communal showers as much as some others. The Black guys I've seen strip down fit the bill of the stereotype, and whether consciously or unconsciously, that might be the very reason why they do it: Because they have a "BBC". The Black guys with average cocks/dicks are probably the ones skipping the stripping because they feel don't live up to the stereotype that all Black men are walking around with an elephant trunk in their pants. Mere speculative reasoning...

Your commentary is spot on. I agree with everything here. I've said some of the same things. I also feel that sometimes black men grasping at the penis size thing is low hanging fruit in the big scheme of things. Even to the point where black men of average size lump themselves into that umbrella because they know that they will garner attention if they at least have a "big dick" to offer. I know black men who have grown tired of the myth because they realize it's based in racial myths about the black male anatomy. One of my best friends is close to 11 inches in size and he says he doesn't share information about his dick size or show pictures of him hard because he doesn't like how the focus becomes less on him as a person and more on their infatuation with his dick. It's also relevant to say that he's much more than his dick because he's good looking, very intelligent, and he's gainfully employed while starting up his own business. He'd rather they appreciate him for his other attributes that he's worked on acquiring rather than what he was genetically blessed with.

What you said about men in public spaces like lockerrooms and gym showers is also true. I go to the gym regularly and I am one of the very few black men that will drop trow and hit the showers but I am always conscious about wandering eyes and the type of guys that are in the lockerroom that might be watching my every move. I see it all the time. If I get any kind of inkling that someone is trying to catch a glimpse of me nude I will wrap myself in a towel and or walk to the shower in my shorts. I don't often see black men spending too much time in the lockerrooms for that very reason. A lot of "BBC" fetishist like to hang around at the gym for the possibility of seeing something that might turn them on. Don't get me wrong though, there are some black men that like that kind of attention.

 

[Fellowship]

I suspect the the "BBC" effect on average sized black men varies if they are mating and dating inter-or intraracially; ironically I think the effect is that much more poignant with homogenous couplings. As I alluded to earlier in the thread, I think a lot of BBC fetishism from non black women exists as a function of their differing attraction(expressed in a problematic way, possibly from problematic origins) to black men then as a result of him having a larger than average penis. I think a lot of women's(in general) spatial comprehension is tied more intimately to their feelings about the situation or object and that auxiliary attractive factors of black men(charisma, swag, if you will) to non black women(especially in comparison to their homogenous options) can cause them to percieve marginally larger if not similarly sized penises as bigger. Porn, if you traverse away from the major studios and delve in to lower budget or amateur stuff, show plenty of average sized black men labeled as BBC, and also has a tricky habit of utilizing angles and body size differences between their performers to amplify the effects.
Given the unchecked and socioeconomically irresponsible hypergamy that is so rampant within our community specifically, I think the "BBC" moniker has a much more toxic effect upon average sized black males when dealing with black females; which could be one of many possible origins of our social conservatism when it comes to nudity, being we'd have much more to "lose" by way of sexual attention if our penises dimensions were known.

Just out of curiosity, what do you mean by "unchecked and socioeconomically irresponsible hypergamy?" Or can you contextualize it in a different way? As far as I know/knew, hypergamy essentially refers to marrying someone of higher social status. How are you contextualizing this as it relates to the Black community? Also, by "homogenous couplings," do you mean intraracial?

I agree with what you mean about auxiliary attractive factors, but disagree with "BBC" having a more toxic affect on Black men dealing with Black women. While I'm sure most Black women, like all women, want a "nice" sized dick, from my anecdotal experiences, by and large they are not size queens. It's more of, "I don't care, as long as he beats the pu$$y up" (aka "fucks me good"). And since Black women stay within the race more than Black men, they know that there's variation in sizes. I primarily watch Black (amateur) porn and even with many guys who are well endowed, the performance is lacking, either because the woman can't take it, or the dick is simply "too big" for them to (know how to) use properly. You often see comments to that effect as well. A 9-10" inch dick is amazing to look at, but what can you/he actually do with it?

As far as that being the reason for the conservatism when it comes to nudity, I think that has more to do with religion and society than anything else. Black Americans overwhelmingly have been acculturated into some of the most socially/culturally conservative Protestant Christian denominations and their off-shoots, at least when it comes to the body. Unlike in many Asian and European countries where boys are brought up to view same sex nudity as being normal and par for the course in certain settings (locker rooms, saunas, steam rooms, etc.), Americans in general do not have those same customs. So in many cases, it can and is often viewed as being weird, perverted, and "gay" for men to be naked around other men...which, of course, is unfortunate.

 

[Sagittarius84]

"unchecked and socioeconomically irresponsible hypergamy?" Or can you contextualize it in a different way? As far as I know/knew, hypergamy essentially refers to marrying someone of higher social status. How are you contextualizing this as it relates to the Black community? Also, by "homogenous couplings," do you mean intraracial?

Social status amongst most populations is typically dictated by standards of protection and provision. Amongst Black America, pre Civil Rights Era that meant the "popular" men, men with whom women would enthusiastically and opportunisically mate and date with, were the high foundational earners, the hard workers, and to a lesser extent, The entertainers. Post civil rights Era, with an ongoing government agenda to economically disenfranchise the black man as a means to destabilize the economic domination and resilience of the black family unit, resulted in a reduced mating and dating pool, or worse adjusted and amplified metrics of social status. Where in times past this hypergamous shift was somewhat managed by exposure and distance, with social media at play, it reigns unchecked(amongst all women really) and ultimately unsustainable. The archetype of protector shifted from family man to criminal or gang member. In lieu of valuing men for their paternal capabilities within the home, or adjusting expectations, a distaste for being the provisional or egalitarian half of a relationship drove our women to value fast money acquisitors(drug dealers, scammers). To be honest the only sexually valued legitimate high earning categories tend to be that of entertainer or athlete. Preselection and sexual prowess seem to reign supreme. No longer checked by access, what that means is a disproportionate amount of relationship and sexual trauma, not to mention biological consequences such as children born of wedlock are coming from an ever shrinking pool of men. Something like only 1 in 4 black women is to be married in her lifetime; women of most races will reproduce at a rate of over 80%, contraception and abortion have helped alleviate some of the consequences, but upwards of 80% of our children are born in nonmarried situations, which wouldnt be so bad if only about 15% of black men weren't the fathers of those children. The cycle creates fewer viable males for the next generation, the pool narrows yet again, further consolidating preference amongst men wholly unconcerned with women's amicabilities, or autonomy for that matter, nor are they incentivized to be. It's the world at large really, but the unique construct of Black America tends to act as an accelerated and concentrated microcosm of the world as a while. Social engineering tends to be perfected upon us until it is unleashed unto the masses.

 

[Sagittarius84]

I agree with what you mean about auxiliary attractive factors, but disagree with "BBC" having a more toxic affect on Black men dealing with Black women. While I'm sure most Black women, like all women, want a "nice" sized dick, from my anecdotal experiences, by and large they are not size queens. It's more of, "I don't care, as long as he beats the pu$$y up" (aka "fucks me good"). And since Black women stay within the race more than Black men, they know that there's variation in sizes. I primarily watch Black (amateur) porn and even with many guys who are well endowed, the performance is lacking, either because the woman can't take it, or the dick is simply "too big" for them to (know how to) use properly. You often see comments to that effect as well. A 9-10" inch dick is amazing to look at, but what can you/he actually do with it?

I think what is considered more important than what the penis can purportedly do is how many other women covet it. The big penis(or more accurately the ability to maintain a monogamous hold upon it)is more of a trophy to flaunt within women's hierarchies, then a for-sure tool of pleasure..Again disenfranchised male population has really messed up the rules of social status to where bigger penis will at least garner more attention than better penis(sexual needs maybe fulfilled by the sneaky link)

 

[Sagittarius84]

Some sad, but relatable humor on the subject of BBC fetishism...probably made that much more poignant as Childish Gambino is commonly considered outside of what is determined to be attractive black masculinity.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Lots of woke identityness stuff has gained popularity with intellectual academics during the past 4 years or so.

I think social media and the media in general has put a spot light on a lot of things that have been kept hidden. It's understood that we live in a country that has a shameful past and there have been attempts to change history or water it down so that it doesn't seem as bad. With all of the information available on the internet people can now research anything that they choose. African Americans were stripped of their history so naturally many of us are catching up and learning what wasn't taught to use in school. I feel that our history starts in Africa and not with enslavement.

 

[Fellowship]

I think social media and the media in general has put a spot light on a lot of things that have been kept hidden. It's understood that we live in a country that has a shameful past and there have been attempts to change history or water it down so that it doesn't seem as bad. With all of the information available on the internet people can now research anything that they choose. African Americans were stripped of their history so naturally many of us are catching up and learning what wasn't taught to use in school. I feel that our history starts in Africa and not with enslavement.

African Americans (and anyone genuinely interested in African American history) have to learn that stuff at home on their own. You won't get anything of substance in a school setting until you get to college, and even then it's a maybe.

They can't teach real African American history in elementary, middle, and high schools, because the history of what was done to them is the complete opposite of literally everything America claims to value: liberty, justice, equality, freedom, and moral superiority.

If very real lives and implications weren't on the line, the whole concept would be laughable.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

African Americans (and anyone genuinely interested in African American history) have to learn that stuff at home on their own. You won't get anything of substance in a school setting until you get to college, and even then it's a maybe.

They can't teach real African American history in elementary, middle, and high schools, because the history of what was done to them is the complete opposite of literally everything America claims to value: liberty, justice, equality, freedom, and moral superiority.

If very real lives and implications weren't on the line, the whole concept would be laughable.

I agree. I minored in African American studies and it was there that I really learned the history of our "benevolent" country and more specifically the history of my ancestors.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Check out this video by F.D. Signifier on youtube if you want a very well rounded summation of this topic concerning black bodies being fetishism, specifically black mens' bodies.