"bbc", "mandingo", Is It Racial Fetishization Of Black Men?

[deleted5199391]

lol you are hilarious guy. You are the one that is insecure here. You actually look up information concerning pornstar popularity that is not entirely accurate when you consider all of the different variables. You probably have a whole arsenal of information that you've pulled from online concerning penis size based on race because everything you've typed scream that you are that type of loser. If you don't like the discussion here you can remove yourself from it. Don't get mad when you post some bogus bs and then get called on it. You basically confirmed another person's post that said only white men are concerned about these kind of topics to the degree that they do research and feel the need to try to use it as proof to some belief that they have as if this were a competition. Black men simply don't care and I told you the fact of what is popular based on sales and rentals as someone that worked in a very popular porn store with rows and rows of porn but you got upset. If you can't talk without getting upset then you need not enter the convo. Tuck your tail between your legs and bow out like you know you want to.

Data > personal experience.
Your experience is heavily influenced by the ambient you live in.
First, the nation. I keep saying that US are not the world, and not only you don't care, but you talk about a specific porn shop lol.
I live in the mediterranean area, the situation of people of african heritage is totally different from what you experienced in the US. Not to mention the huge differences that there are from north or central Africa, for example.
The last racial law in US was canceled that my father was already born. Meanwhile, UE tried for decades to include some north african nations in the union. This didn't happen only because of problem with the nations govs (for not being real democracies, unfortunately).
Sure, there will always be racist people. At least for a long time. But there are also places that don't have a problem related to slavery. I mean, poor europeans were the slaves in Europe. That's why some monarchs ended without the head.
Here in UE is normal to blend with african cultures and people. A lot of eastern regions are muslim, even if they are white as russian.
The southern part of Italy is more near the Africa than the North part, basically.
There are quite some nationalism here, unfortunately, but it's time to stop to project bad narrations on other places, just because some people speak about "black people" like they were one monolith. They are our peers, and also governments act like that.

We have way bigger problems, tho, since Africa is again unstable and western countries left them alone (after being one of the cause for that mess).
I follow reports about immigrants almost daily, since I am part of and association that work to give them hospitality and medical threatments.
Seing people running away from wars and coming here in very bad conditions it's something that don't encourage thinking about them as a fetish.

In conclusion:
1) never reject data only because you don't like them;
2) when you speak of your personal experience speak about the place you live, not about black people as a whole.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Data > personal experience.
Your experience is heavily influenced by the ambient you live in.
First, the nation. I keep saying that US are not the world, and not only you don't care, but you talk about a specific porn shop lol.
I live in the mediterranean area, the situation of people of african heritage is totally different from what you experienced in the US. Not to mention the huge differences that there are from north or central Africa, for example.
The last racial law in US was canceled that my father was already born. Meanwhile, UE tried for decades to include some north african nations in the union. This didn't happen only because of problem with the nations govs (for not being real democracies, unfortunately).
Sure, there will always be racist people. At least for a long time. But there are also places that don't have a problem related to slavery. I mean, poor europeans were the slaves in Europe. That's why some monarchs ended without the head.
Here in UE is normal to blend with african cultures and people. A lot of eastern regions are muslim, even if they are white as russian.
The southern part of Italy is more near the Africa than the North part, basically.
There are quite some nationalism here, unfortunately, but it's time to stop to project bad narrations on other places, just because some people speak about "black people" like they were one monolith. They are our peers, and also governments act like that.

We have way bigger problems, tho, since Africa is again unstable and western countries left them alone (after being one of the cause for that mess).
I follow reports about immigrants almost daily, since I am part of and association that work to give them hospitality and medical threatments.
Seing people running away from wars and coming here in very bad conditions it's something that don't encourage thinking about them as a fetish.

In conclusion:
1) never reject data only because you don't like them;
2) when you speak of your personal experience speak about the place you live, not about black people as a whole.

You do make great points about me speaking as a person in the United States for which I was mainly speaking. I sometimes forget that this forum is global. Me working at the porn shop where almost all of the customers were non black people is what initially piqued my curiosity on this subject because I found it strange. Oh and it's not so much that I didn't like the data that was shared. I didn't like the insinuation that these stats were relevant to the topic and that they were completely accurate. They are not when you consider all of the variables. It just seemed like that person was attempting to disrupt the convo with useless biased stats. I found quite a few different sites with stats similar and they all had different information concerning the most popular porn stars and the most popular genres of porn. On most of those lists "Lesbian" porn ranked high which shocked me because although it was a popular genre at the store i worked at, it was not the most popular. I don't know if there is a correlation between what people decide to purchase vs what they choose to watch online. People are no longer really going into porn stores to purchase porn.

 

[deleted5199391]

You do make great points about me speaking as a person in the United States for which I was mainly speaking. I sometimes forget that this forum is global. Me working at the porn shop where almost all of the customers were non black people is what initially piqued my curiosity on this subject because I found it strange. Oh and it's not so much that I didn't like the data that was shared. I didn't like the insinuation that these stats were relevant to the topic and that they were completely accurate. They are not when you consider all of the variables. It just seemed like that person was attempting to disrupt the convo with useless biased stats. I found quite a few different sites with stats similar and they all had different information concerning the most popular porn stars and the most popular genres of porn. On most of those lists "Lesbian" porn ranked high which shocked me because although it was a popular genre at the store i worked at, it was not the most popular. I don't know if there is a correlation between what people decide to purchase vs what they choose to watch online. People are no longer really going into porn stores to purchase porn.

I think that the stats could vary a lot from place to place, and sites could be more specific with the difference between watched and searched.
I understand that this topic is way more delicate in US than in other nations.
That's probably why the black guys I know are mostly indifferent to this.
To be clear, I was not trying to deny the value of your experience, just giving a perspective.
Peace

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

I think that the stats could vary a lot from place to place, and sites could be more specific with the difference between watched and searched.
I understand that this topic is way more delicate in US than in other nations.
That's probably why the black guys I know are mostly indifferent to this.
To be clear, I was not trying to deny the value of your experience, just giving a perspective.
Peace

It is very true that black people in other nations are indifferent to this because they don't experience it to the same degree or even at all. I think the benefit of living in a country that is homogenous is that race is never really something that is thought about in day to day relationships and interactions. I'd actually love for some black people from other countries to chime in with their thoughts concerning this racial fetishization of black men and if it happens in their country or not and how they feel about it.

 

[heinz.friedrich]

The porn industry has contributed to a lot of the sexual stereotypes of black men and women.

Good topic.

Depends on what objectifying is for you?

Dehumanizing is always the devaluation of someone and so that is racist.

I understand something else in objectifying. Objectifying is a spectrum for me and can be devaluing if it is done without love and goodness. And it depends what is stronger if the sex is negative or positive.

There is always a little bit of objectifying in sexual attraction, in my opinion.

Gay males usually objectify other men.
The same with straight men, they usually objectify other women.

I think, you are more or less always objectified to an extent otherwise there is no sexual attraction.

I understand your problem. That problem is the same as the problems the meetoo movement have. Only there, women are objectified.

PS: I always cringe when I heard the word BBC. That is a British broadcaster for me and nothing else.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

I think, you are more or less always objectified to an extent otherwise there is no sexual attraction.

I do believe this to be true. However, I do think that the objectification is brought about through something positive that is attractive to the person objectifying them. Some fetishes are brought about through something that the person doesn't really feel is positive but they harbor ideas about the individual based on stereotypes and it's more taboo to them. Racial fetishization is one of those taboo fetishes and it's kind of in the same category as fetishes like incest, underage/minor, and beastiality.

 

[Fishsqueezee69]

Good topic.

Depends on what objectifying is for you?

Dehumanizing is always the devaluation of someone and so that is racist.

I understand something else in objectifying. Objectifying is a spectrum for me and can be devaluing if it is done without love and goodness. And it depends what is stronger if the sex is negative or positive.

There is always a little bit of objectifying in sexual attraction, in my opinion.

Gay males usually objectify other men.
The same with straight men, they usually objectify other women.

I think, you are more or less always objectified to an extent otherwise there is no sexual attraction.

I understand your problem. That problem is the same as the problems the meetoo movement have. Only there, women are objectified.

PS: I always cringe when I heard the word BBC. That is a British broadcaster for me and nothing else.

I agree.

The issue with racial objectification is that it's more racial fetish. You are not objectifying the individual but a race or ethnic group.

The issue with that is that whoever is objectified is replaceable.

If I sort of objectify my husband because I love his cock and all I think about sometimes is when I get the chance to put it in my mouth (which I do), thats OK. Its his cock so is not like someone can replace him. However if I objectify all skinny ppl or all asians then any skinny person or Asian person will do....

I hope that made sense.

 

[TinyPrincess]

PS: I always cringe when I heard the word BBC. That is a British broadcaster for me and nothing else.

It took me a year here before I understood the American meaning.

 

[heinz.friedrich]

. Racial fetishization is one of those taboo fetishes and it's kind of in the same category as fetishes like incest, underage/minor, and beastiality.

Yes the people are not evolved in this. So they are influenced by the media.

To become without bias is difficult, especially in a sexual manner, in my opinion and you have to practice to program and reprogram your unconsciousness. For example you picture your sexual partner to have infinite worth, so you do not see him as an object.

But otherwise it is diffcult, because people also complain if you are not aroused by specific races, so you have to activate the sexual arousal with all races but should not overly objectify one race.

That is what I found, when I researched. The research is with women because it is based on the majority and that are straight people, but the same should be true with homosexual people, so they should objectify the men:

A recent study found that showing men pictures of sexualized women evokes less activity in areas of the brain responsible for mental state attribution—that is, the area of the brain that becomes active when we think we are looking at an entity capable of thought and planned action.

How Our Brains Turn Women Into Objects

In my opinion, you can activate the sexual arousal without seeing the people as object because it is a spectrum, as I said. and depends on how much you respect your sexual partner (worth and value issues). To be in a relationship helps for that, I think. If you have different sexual partners, it is more difficult.

 

[Donismon]

One thing for sure is that Black bodies are often fetishized by White people. This has its roots during the colonization period. Black features were “new” to White people, so they deemed their features (skin, hair, appendages, etc.) as inferior or animalistic. This does not mean, however, that those features aren’t real. It also doesn’t mean those features can be applied to all people in a given group.

When slave traders arrived on the African coast and saw larger appendages than their own on Black men, it was viewed as a sexual threat. White men wanted to protect White women from Black men, so they made Black men out to be sexual deviants, as well as Black woman.

The BBC thing is a marketing scheme. It’s porn. Porn is fantasy. When people watch porn, or have sexual hookups, they are often objectifying that person, or using that person for sexual gratification. I don’t think we can be in favor of porn and hookup culture and then simultaneously put restrictions on what people can and cannot like.

I’ve been Black all my life and I have never heard a Black man refer to his penis as a BBC—that often comes from White men. Black men typically don’t even say the word “cock”—that terms is predominantly used in White gay lingo. And a Black person who is in a sexual relationship with another Black person would not use the BBC term because that wouldn’t make sense if both parties are Black.

The Black men who are particularly offended by the BBC thing are those who actively seek out White men/women, but then get hurt when they find that they are being fetishized.

As far as penis size, I’ve discussed some of this on a previous thread. It’s possible that larger (as in larger than other ancestral groups) penises are just a genetic feature, like noses, lips, and hair. Black women are often fetishized for their larger butts, which is a common feature on Black woman. I doubt that many people believe that all Black men are sporting 9inch penises; that is clearly not the truth. But because of the obsession with Blackness, people who are not Black are curious.

Studies that say there is no correlation between race and penis size only say so because the objective of the study wasn’t to find a correlation, and therefore the results are inconclusive. Veale et. al. explains this thoroughly. However, the 3 studies that do compare size based on race have found a marginal difference, with people of African ancestry yielding higher averages.

In all, I have found that Black men who are most offended or insecure about the BBC thing are those who 1. Activity seek out White men or women and 2. Don’t have a big penis and thus feel insecure. The majority of Black men are not concerned about BBC, because the majority of us are having sex with people who look like us. So realistically, we don’t care. Men in general are concerned about their penis size, regardless of race.

Love yourself, despite your penis size. If you feel you are being fetishized by someone, then move on from that person. You cannot easily change someone’s mind by calling out their prejudices or racism. Yes, phrases like “Mandingo” and “jungle fever” are rooted in racism. But Black people are not using these terms with each other. BBC is an interracial phenomenon, not a Black one.

 

[Donismon]

Good topic.

Depends on what objectifying is for you?

Dehumanizing is always the devaluation of someone and so that is racist.

I understand something else in objectifying. Objectifying is a spectrum for me and can be devaluing if it is done without love and goodness. And it depends what is stronger if the sex is negative or positive.

There is always a little bit of objectifying in sexual attraction, in my opinion.

Gay males usually objectify other men.
The same with straight men, they usually objectify other women.

I think, you are more or less always objectified to an extent otherwise there is no sexual attraction.

I understand your problem. That problem is the same as the problems the meetoo movement have. Only there, women are objectified.

PS: I always cringe when I heard the word BBC. That is a British broadcaster for me and nothing else.

I like your perspective!

This is something I’ve been saying.

But I’ll add, when hooking up on Grindr or whatever, the primary motive people have is to have sex. You don’t know if someone is fetishizing you or not! It’s a hookup. And as a person who engages in hook up apps, being objectified is a risk you take. In my opinion, every hook up experience an objectifying experience as you are literally using someone for sexual gratification, and you’ll likely never see them again. It’s sort of an unspoken truth.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Someone recommended "Burn My Shadow: A Selective Memory of an X-Rated Life" by former adult porn star, Tyler Knight. If there are any avid readers here then I'd also recommend it. I've just started reading it and I'm already hooked. It's the only book that I've come across that comes from a black porn star's pov and what they experienced in the industry.

 

[Evenflow618]

complete fetish and its sick. They should just title biggest cock in porn nothing more nothing less

 

[Mount Phalic]

complete fetish and its sick. They should just title biggest cock in porn nothing more nothing less

Fetishes are sick or is it just this fetish is sick? There is nothing wrong with having a black dick fetish, Asian fetish, red-head fetish, etc. The book title is clever and accurate.

 

[chesticles55]

Fetishes are sick or is it just this fetish is sick? There is nothing wrong with having a black dick fetish, Asian fetish, red-head fetish, etc. The book title is clever and accurate.

Not to get involved in this crap again, but race fetishes are different than just “I prefer redheads” or “I prefer smaller boobs”. They’re almost always based on erroneous preconceived racist notions and stereotypes which are insanely harmful and perpetuate racism in every day life. I’m far, far from some SJW nazi but they are extremely bizarre and I can’t see any possible way someone could sexually fetishize someone of a particular race while simultaneously having a healthy overall real life view of said race.

The veil of “well it’s just another kink” is not valid and needs to stop being perpetuated.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

I am sharing a Quora link with a lot of interesting responses from people of other races concerning interracial porn and "BBC" fetishization. The responses are just further proof that this is actually very common but is kept on the hush.

https://www.quora.com/Watching-inte...ke-to-imagine-myself-in-action-Is-this-normal

 

[raceplay]

Bull, Mandingo, and BBC all stems from slavery and the sexual objectification of Black men. Everything from Cuckold to Breaking A Buck (Rape of Black Slaves).

I would love to have a deeper discussion on it, but even just discussing Race is such a scary topic for people that they run from the conversation completely.

Racism is built into the fabric of our society... From land, to property, housing, school, gentrification, politics, judicial system... and yes even porn.

Fast-forward to 2022 - The idea of interracial sex is still considered Taboo and Forbidden Fruit by many (or at least playing into the fantasy of it). This makes for kink and roleplay which challenges how we view Victimization, Generational Trauma, Reclamation, and Reappropriation. There's plenty of Black men in the BDSM community that find consensual racial power dynamics in the bedroom to be therapeutic. Poking fun at social stereotypes can be exciting for some people, even if it parallels with a real world disparity. For others it's off limits and hits too close to home.

We also have to look at White Supremacy and how it plays a role in Homophobia - We're taught that anything other than being a Cis Gender White Male is considered being less than a man.

This is a intersectional conversation that the Queer Community is not ready to have because there's a whole bunch of White Gays that are completely comfortable with themes of Sissy, Phaggot Play, Femdom, and other troupes that help them feel liberated in Reclaiming Masculinity... but the moment Black men do the same thing with Race it's suddenly a problem lol. White Gays don't want to see their own racial bias reflected back at themselves in the mirror. This is what I call Sexual White Fragility. Black people should be given space to express sexual prowess just as much as their White counterparts.

 

[raceplay]

Remind me again how an institution that dissolved 160 years ago has any bearing on today.

Generational Wealth
Farming
Property Ownership/Housing
Jim Crow
KKK
Lynching from trees
Laws
War On Drugs/Legalization of Marijuana
Access to Education

There are plenty things as a result of slavery and horrific events AFTERWARDS that we see the affect of.

 

[HOU_HEADHUNTER]

Bull, Mandingo, and BBC all stems from slavery and the sexual objectification of Black men. Everything from Cuckold to Breaking A Buck (Rape of Black Slaves).

I would love to have a deeper discussion on it, but even just discussing Race is such a scary topic for people that they run from the conversation completely.

Racism is built into the fabric of our society... From land, to property, housing, school, gentrification, politics, judicial system... and yes even porn.

Fast-forward to 2022 - The idea of interracial sex is still considered Taboo and Forbidden Fruit by many (or at least playing into the fantasy of it). This makes for kink and roleplay which challenges how we view Victimization, Generational Trauma, Reclamation, and Reappropriation. There's plenty of Black men in the BDSM community that find consensual racial power dynamics in the bedroom to be therapeutic. Poking fun at social stereotypes can be exciting for some people, even if it parallels with a real world disparity. For others it's off limits and hits too close to home.

We also have to look at White Supremacy and how it plays a role in Homophobia - We're taught that anything other than being a Cis Gender White Male is considered being less than a man.

This is a intersectional conversation that the Queer Community is not ready to have because there's a whole bunch of White Gays that are completely comfortable with themes of Sissy, Phaggot Play, Femdom, and other troupes that help them feel liberated in Reclaiming Masculinity... but the moment Black men do the same thing with Race it's suddenly a problem lol. White Gays don't want to see their own racial bias reflected back at themselves in the mirror. This is what I call Sexual White Fragility. Black people should be given space to express sexual prowess just as much as their White counterparts.

Thank you for contributing to the convo. There are definitely a few black men that get off on the race play stuff but for the majority of us black men it hits too close to home and as a black man sometimes we are presented with it without consent. People are very bold on apps and online. My feelings personally is that it's too performative. I usually question black men that engage. Like what's going on in their head that would even make them want to be apart of their own objectification. Some black guys are insecure however. They need that validation from white men but I do suspect there is something psychological going on with them that cause them to need such validation.

 

[raceplay]

Thank you for contributing to the convo. There are definitely a few black men that get off on the race play stuff but for the majority of us black men it hits too close to home and as a black man sometimes we are presented with it without consent. People are very bold on apps and online. My feelings personally is that it's too performative. I usually question black men that engage. Like what's going on in their head that would even make them want to be apart of their own objectification. Some black guys are insecure however. They need that validation from white men but I do suspect there is something psychological going on with them that cause them to need such validation.

I'm a Dom/Top whether I'm performing Raceplay or not. Raceplay is just another addition on an already long list of power dynamics.

Black men who are Bottoms/Submissives and Women often have a different perspective.

There could be racial trauma that person is reclaiming. Now they get to be the one in control by acting it out.

As someone else said, Men might like as much sex as possible. Black men know how to code switch simply to get laid, especially if they aren't viewing the guy they're bringing home as husband material. A little BBC talk from someone they are most likely never going to see again is a walk in the park.