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[TexanStar]

a mature oriental

It's not the worst thing that could've been said, but you could probably phrase this better (if you felt the need to include her racial heritage at all in your story).

 

[BaddJack]

I'm an old white guy who has never accepted political correctness - i.e. freedom of speech

 

[AlteredEgo]

I'm an old white guy who has never accepted political correctness - i.e. freedom of speech

Talking about flesh and blood people like they are just objects is disgusting. Rugs are oriental, not people. This is a point of grammar/usage, and a point of decency. You're old? So grow the fuck up.

Additionally, freedom of speech allows you to protest your government without said government interfering. It has nothing to do with what you say to private citizens.

 

[185248]

It's not the worst thing that could've been said, but you could probably phrase this better (if you felt the need to include her racial heritage at all in your story).

Well, we all know when Hollywood is concerned, Oriental people always have cameras at the ready.

Maybe it was some kind of implant

 

[AlteredEgo]

Well, we all know when Hollywood is concerned, Oriental people always have cameras at the ready.

Maybe it was some kind of implant

We do NOT refer to people as oriental. And for fuck's sake, was the last time you saw a Hollywood movie 30 years ago?

 

[185248]

We do NOT refer to people as oriental. And for fuck's sake, was the last time you saw a Hollywood movie 30 years ago?

In Australasia, as we are know in this region of the Pacific and World, because we are viewed as part of the surrounding nations, Oriental means "Eastern". Our close neighbours. For us it means exotic, rich, diverse made up from many close knit nations and cultures, mysterious.

It may be in your part of the world to be considered offensive. Not here in Australasia.

Many nations make up what we call the Orient area of our region.

 

[185248]

By the way, my dig at Hollywood, was meant to be exactly that. Their repetitive characterizations which still exist to this day.

 

[TexanStar]

I'm an old white guy who has never accepted political correctness - i.e. freedom of speech

Yes. Freedom of speech gives you the right to communicate in a manner that devalues others. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

In Australasia, as we are know in this region of the Pacific and World, because we are viewed as part of the surrounding nations, Oriental means "Eastern". Our close neighbours. For us it means exotic, rich, diverse made up from many close knit nations and cultures, mysterious.

It has the same meaning here in the US which is actually the reason it fell out of common use. The stereotype of Asians as exotic and mysterious is just that (a stereotype). It falls in the same bucket with asians being bad drivers or good at math.

It's now, as AE said, primarily used as an adjective for objects, not people. The only people you typically hear say "oriental" here when talking about people are white guys with a fetish for Asian women who drone on about all their secret oriental sex magic like gripping your cock with their magic massage pussies while they spin around in circles on your dick.

It hasn't risen to the level of being an offensive term in Australia or the UK like it has in the US, though it doesn't hurt to take some consideration to why we dropped the term as a descriptor of people.

 

[AlteredEgo]

In Australasia, as we are know in this region of the Pacific and World, because we are viewed as part of the surrounding nations, Oriental means "Eastern". Our close neighbours. For us it means exotic, rich, diverse made up from many close knit nations and cultures, mysterious.

It may be in your part of the world to be considered offensive. Not here in Australasia.

Many nations make up what we call the Orient area of our region.

Asians are not inherently mysterious just because you don't know many well. Asians outnumber whites by billions, making YOU the exotic one.

Jeebus, people need to listen to themselves.

 

[deleted15807]

Asians are not inherently mysterious just because you don't know many well. Asians outnumber whites by billions, making YOU the exotic one.

Jeebus, people need to listen to themselves.

Depends on where you are. Me being a person of color once stopped in a McDonalds in the hills of very white Austria and I can tell you every person stopped and looked. The burgers stopped frying.

 

[693987]

Oriental applies to rugs and old historic shit. If someone refers to me as Oriental, it seriously makes me wonder if you also refer to black people as Negroes and so on. That's how archaic and out of place that shit is.

 

[Wave85]

Oriental applies to rugs and old historic shit. If someone refers to me as Oriental, it seriously makes me wonder if you also refer to black people as Negroes and so on. That's how archaic and out of place that shit is.

Fade - I hope I am never on your and AE's bad side.

 

[AlteredEgo]

Oriental applies to rugs and old historic shit. If someone refers to me as Oriental, it seriously makes me wonder if you also refer to black people as Negroes and so on. That's how archaic and out of place that shit is.

Many Aussies still think blackface is acceptable so, there it is.

Depends on where you are. Me being a person of color once stopped in a McDonalds in the hills of very white Austria and I can tell you every person stopped and looked. The burgers stopped frying.

My father (a musician on tour) was detained at a checkpoint in USSR (you read that correctly) for a very long time. It turned out, the officers were just marveling over his passport. They had never actually met a black man before, nor did they expect when they did there would be so much travel documented in his papers.

Anyway, those are global numbers, not local to anywhere, meant to be provocative.

 

[185248]

I've decided to write to the Royal Thai, Cambodian and the other consulates of neighbouring countries of our region here in Brisbane regarding their beliefs and understandings of the word Oriental.

After discussing it with a couple of mates from the Southeast Asia region, to which the word deals with, who were a little bemused by my questions The guys seemed to be more offended being cast under the umbrella of Asian. All of theirs and those of their neighbours are ancient cultures, each with their similarities, but also each with their fierce independence. Which led to other discussion about history, how each culture evolved, spiritual stuff etc.

Overall they saw the word "Asian" by itself refer more to the China mainland. They understood the meaning of the word Oriental and did not find it offensive. Yes, it is hearsay, hence why I am writing to the consulates, (when I get the time, to gain a written response). I myself do not wish to continue to be offensive if this is the case.

Yes, I see where the law has been changed in the US. But the word Oriental was never ever taught here to be offensive in any way at any time, it is an old term, yes.

During my search through the meanings and origins of these couple of words, it was interesting to discover the word "Asia", invented by the Greeks, was used to describe their enemies to the East. Also, during the "European era of expansionism and technical superiority, Europeans virtually invented the catch-all-term "Asians". "The term started with negative connotation, and still has it" http://afe.easia.columbia.edu/geography/geo_whatis.html The link is dated but mainly deals with historical facts, events and language. Not current events.

Yes I do see many of the countries in Asia as exotic and mysterious. Ancient culture usually is. Like here in Aus we have our Indigenous culture full of mystery and dreamtime. Much of my close, and extended family has Indigenous heritage.

I decided to write to the consulates because it can go down a rabbit hole in forums. When I receive replies, if I do, I am sure I will. I will post them here whether in favour or against. This is what consulates are for I spose.

 

[BaddJack]

PC is passe

 

[693987]

PC is passe

So, do you refer to black people as Negroes or colored, or even niggers? I strongly suspect you do not, because it is significantly more likely to cause some form of retaliation, whereas it seems that exceedingly outdated and/or rude ways to refer to Asians seem to largely be ignored, in spite of just China and India alone having roughly three billion people compared to the roughly 330 million or so in the USA.. very clearly Asians are not the "exotic" much less the global minority.

It's not about being the most politically correct, it's about you more than likely not giving a fraction of the respect to a very large demographic as another. And then when called on an archaic and ridiculous way of referring to that demographic, your only argument or defense is that you're not PC and that you're old. Do you also refer to non-heterosexual men as fags? Non-heterosexual women exclusively as dykes? Do you think not being heterosexual is a mental illness? Those are all older ways of thinking too. How about superiority of one race over another? One gender over another? Also old ways of thinking..

 

[BaddJack]

so who's staying on the topic of crotch watchers

 

[TexanStar]

so who's staying on the topic of crotch watchers

We're all watching a huge dick right now...

 

[jimmenycricket]

I find it interesting how word usages can change over time. A previous poster brought up how terms like Negro and Colored are offensive now. Yet, the United Negro College Fund and the Nationa Association for the Advancement of Colored People still exist and were not seen as offensive in the time in which they were named. It's okay to refer to some one as a "person of color"? Just like the work "retard" was once seen as the more polically correct way of referring to the disabled, from the French word meaning delayed.

 

[TexanStar]

I find it interesting how word usages can change over time. A previous poster brought up how terms like Negro and Colored are offensive now. Yet, the United Negro College Fund and the Nationa Association for the Advancement of Colored People still exist and were not seen as offensive in the time in which they were named. It's okay to refer to some one as a "person of color"? Just like the work "retard" was once seen as the more polically correct way of referring to the disabled, from the French word meaning delayed.

Most often it's how they end up getting used.

Retarded became derogatory because people started using it as an insult (and still do) and that generated a need for a new, non-loaded term to describe people with developmental delays.

Likewise, at the time colored was coined, it wasn't considered an insult (it meant exactly the same thing that persons of color means today). But in the Jim Crow south, it became vernacular used to describe Black americans exclusively and became tied up in their discriminatory practices (whites only, colored only, etc). NAACP hasn't felt the need to change their name because they're using the word in its original sense, but for general conversation, persons of color is a more clear descriptor that you're referring to non-caucasian individuals rather than just Blacks (and esp with respect to Jim crow laws).

Cases like those are different from words like "wetback" or "towelhead" which were designed to be insults from the moment they were coined.