Edison Fan

[sadboynthn]

just shush and be pretty the gaslighting is a bit alarming

 

[Messy Elliott]

just shush and be pretty the gaslighting is a bit alarming
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Of course he has a clothing line, they always do.

I saw the post he made and the caption is literally just “how many have you seen?” under a slideshow of screenshots of gay movies/tv shows. No further explanation or context, and he’s mad that people interpreted it in some way he didn’t intend?

 

[sadboynthn]

Of course he has a clothing line, they always do.

I saw the post he made and the caption is literally just “how many have you seen?” under a slideshow of screenshots of gay movies/tv shows. No further explanation or context, and he’s mad that people interpreted it in some way he didn’t intend?

Exactly! Not only that, but he implies that race doesn’t exist unless people mention it and the connotation of the word “agenda” oh boy! Not pretty, not pretty at all..

I noticed the lack of films featuring black or brown characters in his post as well but i decided to not engage him on it because it’s really a larger conversation about the mainstream queer community that needs to be had.. I just didn’t think instagram was the right forum for it haha now I know I made the right decision bc he’s obviously not open to any kind of correction or criticism. Hopefully he grows out of that.

 

[deleted9263251]

He seems like a rude and entitled himbo and that’s disappointing

 

[niwits69]

just shush and be pretty the gaslighting is a bit alarming
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And his fans defending him on the comments... Embarrassing shit right there.

 

[niwits69]

just shush and be pretty the gaslighting is a bit alarming
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And him uploading this to his stories thinking he did something like... How petty and dumb can you be? The point stands: he's just a pretty face and body with no brains or personality who cares only about himself and his image, much like most gays in social media nowadays anyways lol

 

[sadboynthn]

And him uploading this to his stories thinking he did something like... How petty and dumb can you be? The point stands: he's just a pretty face and body with no brains or personality who cares only about himself and his image, much like most gays in social media nowadays anyways lol

Right! Like…. He really thought that was gonna help hahaha wild!

 

[cavilll]

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omg!!! thank you!!!
hope ed do the same!!!

 

[nivora]

Exactly! Not only that, but he implies that race doesn’t exist unless people mention it and the connotation of the word “agenda” oh boy! Not pretty, not pretty at all..

I noticed the lack of films featuring black or brown characters in his post as well but i decided to not engage him on it because it’s really a larger conversation about the mainstream queer community that needs to be had.. I just didn’t think instagram was the right forum for it haha now I know I made the right decision bc he’s obviously not open to any kind of correction or criticism. Hopefully he grows out of that.

it felt especially egregious on that post because moonlight literally exists as one of the most successful queer cinema experiences

 

[leoingenium]

just shush and be pretty the gaslighting is a bit alarming
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I'm prolly stupid to wade into this, and I'll preface it by saying obviously his words are pretty uninformed. But what's the standard here? If people are racist if their list of movies does not contain a black queer film, then how about sexual partners? Do all the progressive queers here fuck an Asian man for every 2 black men and every 6 whites? I imagine that as an Asian queer himself, he's probably find it unnerving to be lectured on racism when we always have to face open bigotry in the gay community much more egregious than the wider society. Would you accuse a white Instawhore of racism if his movie list contains Black queer films but zero Asian/Latinx ones? Of course not.

I don't see the full context, so it's possible that Fan (who is shown to have an oversized ego) overreacted. If people are just bringing up "there are also this and that black queer films!" and he went on a racist rant then of course he is in the wrong. But he is just sharing his list on his personal Insta, which is not some official recommendation or an award list. Obviously he can do better to showcase more diverse films, but there is no histories of colonialism or black slavery in China, where him as an ethnic Chinese is now based in. So ask yourself, is it not neocolonialist to shoehorn him into an Americanized ideal of racial justice with no consideration to his own cultural backgrounds?

I've really said all I wanted on the subject, since one cannot argue with those who believe that words can be violence and rationality or logic themselves are tools of white oppression. All I can say is if racial issues are to be a zero-sum game, then of course we are not going to "stand in solidarity" with people who never cared and still won't care about our sufferings. I at least still stand as an old-school liberal refusing to cower in fear like so many normal people who acquiesced to avoid the actual violence threatened so long as they dare to dip a toe outside the new anti-racist regime, particularly since (thankfully) I no longer live in such a hellhole that is the US right now. Surprisingly we all have our own legacies and different sets of problems to deal with...

 

[murakami95]

I don’t think his movie list is an indication that he is a racist because it lacks Black queer movies. It’s more so a display of his lack of culture.

However, Americans are always projecting their racial identities and politics onto others, including those who are not American and are from other cultures. Other countries just don’t have the same Black history as America and many Eastern countries have limited exposure to Black culture. With that said, considering how well travelled he is and that he has lived in the Western world, you would expect better from him.

I think he could have handled this situation differently. If people are highlighting that your post lacks Black representation, you could take it as a learning opportunity and ask which Black queer movies one should watch. Allyship is about a willingness to listen and to learn. However, he took it as a personal attack and became defensive.

 

[Messy Elliott]

Exactly! Not only that, but he implies that race doesn’t exist unless people mention it and the connotation of the word “agenda” oh boy! Not pretty, not pretty at all..

I noticed the lack of films featuring black or brown characters in his post as well but i decided to not

it felt especially egregious on that post because moonlight literally exists as one of the most successful queer cinema experiences

He said that he didn’t include Moonlight as he didn’t think it was a romance movie, but rather more about the struggles of a Black gay man, which he couldn’t relate to. So it’s not that he never saw it or didn’t know it existed, but apparently it never occurred to him. While I don’t think his reasons for not including Moonlight are good ones, I agree with the poster above that he should have taken the criticism as a learning opportunity

 

[niwits69]

He handled the situation poorly, showing his true colors.

 

[deleted9263251]

He handled the situation poorly, showing his true colors.

Yup. Plain and simple. Tragic beauty that he is.

 

[sadboynthn]

I don't see the full context, so it's possible that Fan (who is shown to have an oversized ego) overreacted. If people are just bringing up "there are also this and that black queer films!" and he went on a racist rant then of course he is in the wrong. But he is just sharing his list on his personal Insta, which is not some official recommendation or an award list. Obviously he can do better to showcase more diverse films

I think he could have handled this situation differently. If people are highlighting that your post lacks Black representation, you could take it as a learning opportunity and ask which Black queer movies one should watch. Allyship is about a willingness to listen and to learn. However, he took it as a personal attack and became defensive.

This we agree on and is the only point I was trying to make. His reaction seems out of proportion when he could have simply said "i'm sorry. you're absolutely right, I could have been more inclusive." My apologies if that wasn't clear. That's also part of the reason I didn't comment or send him a message myself, because I don't think his initial post was intentionally exclusive. The other part being that there aren't many queer films centering on black/brown characters. That's not his fault and that's why I said it needed to be a discussion, perhaps on a different platform, about the larger issue of the lack of diversity in queer cinema.

I certainly never accused Edison of being racist and honestly I do my best not to accuse anyone of that. I own that anti-black racism originated on US soil but you seem to be under the impression that it's only the colonizer countries that perpetuate anti-blackness. Perhaps I misunderstand your comment about China not having a history of enslaving black people, but that's the implication I'm getting. While you're correct in stating that China never enslaved black people en mass, they still have a long history of anti-black racism. My feeling is that we're all susceptible to and, at times, guilty of anti-blackness. I don't see the point in slapping a label on someone else if I'm guilty of it myself at times

We all can be better! I was expecting him to be better but he chose not to be, that's all

 

[nivora]

He said that he didn’t include Moonlight as he didn’t think it was a romance movie, but rather more about the struggles of a Black gay man, which he couldn’t relate to. So it’s not that he never saw it or didn’t know it existed, but apparently it never occurred to him. While I don’t think his reasons for not including Moonlight are good ones, I agree with the poster above that he should have taken the criticism as a learning opportunity

i find that take as moonlight is not a romance movie bit rather about the struggles of a gay black man and thus not being something relatable an even worse take tbh. Moonlight is a lot more universal to the general gay audience for the theme of ostracization, something a LOT of gay/queer people have to deal with in their lives, just like how he tries to separate his western focused and chinese focused accounts because he knows he can't this openly gay and sexual on weibo without repercussions.
But also calling Moonlight unrelatable for being about a gay black man when he does show call me by your name that is just some ugly white twink getting groomed by a pedo makes his explanation gross to me, on several levels.

I own that anti-black racism originated on US soil but you seem to be under the impression that it's only the colonizer countries that perpetuate anti-blackness.
Perhaps I misunderstand your comment about China not having a history of enslaving black people, but that's the implication I'm getting. While you're correct in stating that China never enslaved black people en mass, they still have a long history of anti-black racism. My feeling is that we're all susceptible to and, at times, guilty of anti-blackness. I don't see the point in slapping a label on someone else if I'm guilty of it myself at times

We all can be better! I was expecting him to be better but he chose not to be, that's all

i want to add two things
1) anti-black racism and slavery originated in europe and some asian countries, america was simply colonised later
2) china at the moment is actively enslaving muslim minorities that work on their factories, unfortunately a lot of everyday items we use nowadays already have a large chance of being been through uyghur hands
3) in general regarding the matter it depends of peoples viewpoints of racism, a lot of people have shifted towards the POV that if you're not explicitly anti-racist you're part of upholding the racist structures and institutions and this racist. Edison definitely proved himself racist by that measure.

unfortunately we cannot change the world ourselves by admiring dick and ass on this board

 

[niwits69]

But also calling Moonlight unrelatable for being about a gay black man when he does show call me by your name that is just some ugly white twink getting groomed by a pedo makes his explanation gross to me, on several levels.

omg this! Him saying the movies he picked where because they're romantic and shit... does he think grooming is romantic? wtf

 

[Messy Elliott]

i find that take as moonlight is not a romance movie bit rather about the struggles of a gay black man and thus not being something relatable an even worse take tbh. Moonlight is a lot more universal to the general gay audience for the theme of ostracization, something a LOT of gay/queer people have to deal with in their lives, just like how he tries to separate his western focused and chinese focused accounts because he knows he can't this openly gay and sexual on weibo without repercussions.
But also calling Moonlight unrelatable for being about a gay black man when he does show call me by your name that is just some ugly white twink getting groomed by a pedo makes his explanation gross to me, on several levels.

I definitely agree with this, I initially wanted to write something similar but I was on my iPad and didn't feel like writing all that out lol. But yes, Edison can't relate to a movie featuring Black characters but a couple of white dudes on a ranch in the middle of nowhere USA is totes relatable? Please.

 

[deleted9263251]

I definitely agree with this, I initially wanted to write something similar but I was on my iPad and didn't feel like writing all that out lol. But yes, Edison can't relate to a movie featuring Black characters but a couple of white dudes on a ranch in the middle of nowhere USA is totes relatable? Please.

he's white washed, inside and out.

 

[leoingenium]

Thanks to all the thoughtful replies, I'll just clarify that the reason I brought up anti-black racism in the US vs. China is certainly not because it isn't a problem in China, but simply to counter the talking point that "leaving out black queer films is more unacceptable than others" since there is no historical reason in China that anti-Black racism is uniquely terrible. In fact the Chinese are engaging in, right now, cultural cleansing of its many minorities (the Uyghurs are just the most prominent) and if he are to use his platform to elevate diverse voices I'd say these non-Chinese Asian queer cinema in and outside of China are worth a look.

As I alluded to in my initial post, from my impression Fan's behaviors have always been, well, problematic, so I'm certainly not defending him. And I'd be entirely unsurprised if he turns out to have some sort of dislike of black queers, which I know many Asians do; in fact I know them as often the biggest white cock chaser, more so than the other races. I just think these types of allegations should be made with more seriousness, even tho (from what I've seen) Fan certainly didn't conduct himself well.

At the end of the day many of us in this community carry trauma and we're all a bit messy inside; honestly not much of what Fan does outside of posting thirst pics is worth defending, so I'll just go back to admiring his body...