What's your thoughts on the backlash againstAI generated explicit art ?

[CorCordium123]

Ms. Swift is angry about recent explicit photos of her that were AI generated. This led to the white house taking notice and maybe making laws against and calling on Congress to look into this. This is just the US. I don't know about the issue in other countries.

This would be interesting if it ever happens. It's a bigger conversation with fake news too. I am not a fan of overt government control.

I dont know how I feel about this. It's fantasy. It's one thing if ppl were saying it is real. But that is not the case.

What do you guys think ?

I live in Europe and the debate is being opened here as well. Like with revenge porn, minor girls have had explicit videos made and circulated of them - prompting people to talk legislation.
In some ways I understand the fascination of seeing someone famous naked that you normally would never see that way.
But I also understand wanting to be completely in control of who sees me naked.

I think the debate is also very closely linked to net anonymity as well. If you are held responsible for everything you post then it has to be policed, even if only like here in this forum,
by moderators. I personally lean towards AI because I’m more and more turned off by porn where because of trafficking it is difficult to prove that the person in front of the camera wasn’t coerced or blackmailed.
This is something we are discovering thru Onlyfans but even happens in the porn studios when actors and actresses seem to consent legally.

Our (yes me included) fascination with porn and seeing people naked is not very healthy and not very respectful of the subjects of our attraction.

Part of me says it safer when it is AI generated. I think eventually tho we’d lose our fascination because we always want to know what the famous people’s actual body looks like naked, in motion. Substitutes don’t satisfy when you know they’re fake.

Just my opinions and somethings I’d like to hear others weigh in on as well.

 

[FunniestGude]

Ms. Swift is angry about recent explicit photos of her that were AI generated. This led to the white house taking notice and maybe making laws against and calling on Congress to look into this. This is just the US. I don't know about the issue in other countries.

This would be interesting if it ever happens. It's a bigger conversation with fake news too. I am not a fan of overt government control.

I dont know how I feel about this. It's fantasy. It's one thing if ppl were saying it is real. But that is not the case.

What do you guys think ?

imagine if it was your daughter one day.

 

[bellerinthanout]

Is it really that different to a really good artist drawing it instead? I've seen some phenomenal drawings of celebrities over the years where I've had to take a second look to realise it wasn't real. Are we really going to enter a time where drawing people has such legalities?

 

[RyanMars]

imagine if it was your daughter one day.

or son, I am childless so can't relate

 

[CorCordium123]

imagine if it was your daughter one day.

or myself. I would be mortified if something xxx that looked like me was suddenly on every website.

 

[fabs_]

Tbh, i don't It's wrong generate porn pictures of public persons, like there's even If we don't have AI anymore Photoshop still exists, drawing programs still exists, It's wrong when is a common, but a celebrity idk... ending up being a tag on r34 is a consequence of fame

 

[CorCordium123]

Tbh, i don't It's wrong generate porn pictures of public persons, like there's even If we don't have AI anymore Photoshop still exists, drawing programs still exists, It's wrong when is a common, but a celebrity idk... ending up being a tag on r34 is a consequence of fame

I feel like whether I agree or not it is a risk to being famous.
I imagine famous people would say they understand the risk of being photographed or filmed even when they are not working.
But, I think even for private citizens it is quite a sad thing, when so many people get naked willingly to go and fabricate naked images and videos of people who choose not to.
XXX content so always be consensual if it’s a real person. Because there is also the ability to just create a face. So choosing the face of someone who doesn’t consent is kinda creepy.
I would never be ok with an ex releasing xxx content of me. And I will never do so myself. If I became famous that wouldn’t change.
Also, now that there are laws AGAINST revenge porn I think the Taylor Swift thing has accelerated the eventual move to also outlawing ai generated xxx content without the person’s consent.
In Europe there are already cases against guys making porn of classmates, ans distributing it to their HS peers. The laws work because they’re underage but Europe is seriously considering making it illegal because to use the person’s image without their permission.
I lean towards agreeing. There is enough porn on the planet made by those who want to. The wanting more is one of the factors in assault and porn is often cited as a cause. I feel if we who look do so respectfully and consensually we help to prevent potential victims

 

[zimbaman]

I feel that if Taylor Swift or Beyonce or any artist write lyrics and sing dis-songs about their ex partner,
and he / she feels violated - that music should be also banned and destroyed.
If we want to protect the privacy of people in public, it shouldnt stop with AI
I love how artists guard their image, while trashing that of others around them for "inspiration"
or "best selling biography"

 

[zimbaman]

his publicist, estelle (63), is probably scrolling this thread crapping her pants,
choking on her pretzel and spitting earl gray tea at the screen.

Dears, this is estelle, publicist of Zac Efron, who I've seen on this, "ai" thread being..
well, better not describe it, oh its horrid, oh that thing sticking from his bum.. oh gosh.
whatever's becoming of this young computer-generation-generation?
As I often clutch my pearls, perhaps my views would be called, old fashioned.
however! let me just pop into the ladies room for a sec, that damn earl gray tea.
where was I? oh. howerver! These images are becoming ever so realistically made,
so some amount of caution and rules should be hung, gosh I meant flung, to handle
this AI barrage. My clients are deeply offended by some of these digestive, forgive me,
suggestive images, which may live on for all prostates, sorry, prosterity.

 

[CorCordium123]

I feel that if Taylor Swift or Beyonce or any artist write lyrics and sing dis-songs about their ex partner,
and he / she feels violated - that music should be also banned and destroyed.
If we want to protect the privacy of people in public, it shouldnt stop with AI
I love how artists guard their image, while trashing that of others around them for "inspiration"
or "best selling biography"

agreed! For that very reason I don’t own any of their music

 

[thewatcher]

I've just discovered that there is more going on than just the move to protect celebrities. On Microsoft Designer it blocked the prompt "A blond male bodybuilder, running along a beach. He has obviously been training very hard and displays impressive musculature".

I asked Bing why and it explained as follows which suggests that the political correctness of the teams who run these AI projects is also a key factor:

the prompt you provided appears to be a straightforward description of a blond male bodybuilder running along a beach, showcasing his impressive musculature. However, it’s essential to consider the broader context and potential implications when evaluating content for responsible AI guidelines.

Here are some possible reasons why the prompt might have been flagged:

1. Stereotypes and Body Image:
   
   • The depiction of a bodybuilder could inadvertently reinforce stereotypes related to masculinity, body image, and fitness.
   • Responsible AI guidelines aim to avoid perpetuating harmful stereotypes or promoting unrealistic body standards.
2. Fairness and Representation:
   
   • AI models should be fair and unbiased. If the prompt disproportionately represents a specific group (e.g., bodybuilders), it might raise concerns about fairness.
   • Ensuring diverse representation in AI-generated content is cruciall

 

[mikyang]

Yes it should be. It’s not a case of “Governmental control”. It’s about protecting people from having their images falsified. The government already controls you in many ways that I’m sure you don’t even realize, so let’s not act like prohibiting ai generated nudes is some breach of trust to the people.

Again, I’m guilty of frequenting the AI section of this forum a lot and it’s indeed hot. But I know it’s ethically wrong as well.

you dont think the goverment is controlling this little corner of the web?

 

[6r366y]

Ms. Swift is angry about recent explicit photos of her that were AI generated. This led to the white house taking notice and maybe making laws against and calling on Congress to look into this. This is just the US. I don't know about the issue in other countries.

This would be interesting if it ever happens. It's a bigger conversation with fake news too. I am not a fan of overt government control.

I dont know how I feel about this. It's fantasy. It's one thing if ppl were saying it is real. But that is not the case.

What do you guys think ?

If I was a celebrity, I would be embarrassed by some of the art. It would be weird to see an image of me doing things or having things done to me that didn't happen. But then I wouldn't look at it. Let the "Great Unwashed" have their fantasies.

 

[zol27]

I feel that if Taylor Swift or Beyonce or any artist write lyrics and sing dis-songs about their ex partner,
and he / she feels violated - that music should be also banned and destroyed.
If we want to protect the privacy of people in public, it shouldnt stop with AI
I love how artists guard their image, while trashing that of others around them for "inspiration"
or "best selling biography"

All this so you can fap to AI John Cena. It’s not that serious and you’re gonna be hard pressed to find anyone who cares enough to defend the access of AI porn that isn’t a chronically online gooner

 

[mikyang]

All this so you can fap to AI John Cena. It’s not that serious and you’re gonna be hard pressed to find anyone who cares enough to defend the access of AI porn that isn’t a chronically online gooner

so why are actors against it? AI was around before the protests and will be here long after it

 

[CorCordium123]

so why are actors against it? AI was around before the protests and will be here long after it

I have been thinking about this a lot the past few days/weeks.
Famous people(actors included sign up for scrutiny outside their workplace so to speak) and that in turn makes them have less control over their image in general. It's as if WE, the public, don't allow them to be private when they are in public.

But they, like every private citizen, should get to veto their private images being used, especially, sexual ones, real and AI. At least, I myself would want to have a say if suddenly my cock(which I'm not ashamed of) and my body(which I'm insecure about) were plastered all over the internet without my consent.

 

[Watcher303]

I have been thinking about this a lot the past few days/weeks.
Famous people(actors included sign up for scrutiny outside their workplace so to speak) and that in turn makes them have less control over their image in general. It's as if WE, the public, don't allow them to be private when they are in public.

But they, like every private citizen, should get to veto their private images being used, especially, sexual ones, real and AI. At least, I myself would want to have a say if suddenly my cock(which I'm not ashamed of) and my body(which I'm insecure about) were plastered all over the internet without my consent.

No. It's not about them. It's about Government control over what the peasants do. Do you REALLY think Cena or Swift care what you or I do? Of course not. They KNOW their images are out there, and if no one was interested in their images, their careers would be over. But Government and corporations DO care, and if they can crack down on what the peasants do in the name of poor, innocent Taylor, then she is of more use to them than ever before. You never noticed how many "news" stories are about Swift, when they don't even rate as "gossip"? So that when bans are in place, people will agree to them.

 

[CorCordium123]

No. It's not about them. It's about Government control over what the peasants do. Do you REALLY think Cena or Swift care what you or I do? Of course not. They KNOW their images are out there, and if no one was interested in their images, their careers would be over. But Government and corporations DO care, and if they can crack down on what the peasants do in the name of poor, innocent Taylor, then she is of more use to them than ever before. You never noticed how many "news" stories are about Swift, when they don't even rate as "gossip"? So that when bans are in place, people will agree to them.

i can't debate with you about conspiracies, because I think you have a point. I do think big govt often has ulterior motives. But about AI and PORN in particular I think the central tenet of any law or policy will revolve around whether the subject(person) in the images has made similar(especially explicit) images public before and whether they give their consent if not. Mainly because I hope empathy plays some part in the debate. I don't think it's so different from revenge porn. Even if the person consented to be filmed in private, they still have a right to decide who else has access. This seems to be related/similar.

 

[mikyang]

I have been thinking about this a lot the past few days/weeks.
Famous people(actors included sign up for scrutiny outside their workplace so to speak) and that in turn makes them have less control over their image in general. It's as if WE, the public, don't allow them to be private when they are in public.

But they, like every private citizen, should get to veto their private images being used, especially, sexual ones, real and AI. At least, I myself would want to have a say if suddenly my cock(which I'm not ashamed of) and my body(which I'm insecure about) were plastered all over the internet without my consent.

but its fake so why would they even care? dont have any nudes of me online and never will. why do people do it all the time.

 

[mikyang]

i can't debate with you about conspiracies, because I think you have a point. I do think big govt often has ulterior motives. But about AI and PORN in particular I think the central tenet of any law or policy will revolve around whether the subject(person) in the images has made similar(especially explicit) images public before and whether they give their consent if not. Mainly because I hope empathy plays some part in the debate. I don't think it's so different from revenge porn. Even if the person consented to be filmed in private, they still have a right to decide who else has access. This seems to be related/similar.

they always do but for actors who is it hurting? They have accepted they will have to do nude scenes and for us its a playful art. they shouldnt be actors then.